(07-15-2015 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 06:43 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 11:37 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  PP, a not so nice organization.



But Nancy says thanks for the award!

Are we really quoting 100 year old quotesmto represent companies now?...

You guys do the same thing with the CSA.

Yeah, our bad that the CSA stopped being an organization over a hundred years ago, but we'll try to get some more recent quotes.

Not only does that statement sound ludicrous in that manner, a quote of a founder compared to direct statements released by the CSA as reasons for it's founding are not even close to similar. The CSA involved slavery so much that it was literally listed as a reason for the CSA's existence, you cannot say the same for Planned Parenthood. Well, you can't say the same thing and not be a liar, at least.

Yeah, and that makes PP that much more worse and yourself an even bigger water carrier for an evil organization like this.

(07-15-2015 08:31 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 06:43 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 11:37 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  PP, a not so nice organization.



But Nancy says thanks for the award!

Are we really quoting 100 year old quotesmto represent companies now?...

You guys do the same thing with the CSA.

Yeah, our bad that the CSA stopped being an organization over a hundred years ago, but we'll try to get some more recent quotes.

Not only does that statement sound ludicrous in that manner, a quote of a founder compared to direct statements released by the CSA as reasons for it's founding are not even close to similar. The CSA involved slavery so much that it was literally listed as a reason for the CSA's existence, you cannot say the same for Planned Parenthood. Well, you can't say the same thing and not be a liar, at least.

Yeah, and that makes PP that much more worse and yourself an even bigger water carrier for an evil organization like this.

Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

(07-15-2015 09:12 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:31 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 06:43 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 11:37 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Are we really quoting 100 year old quotesmto represent companies now?...

You guys do the same thing with the CSA.

Yeah, our bad that the CSA stopped being an organization over a hundred years ago, but we'll try to get some more recent quotes.

Not only does that statement sound ludicrous in that manner, a quote of a founder compared to direct statements released by the CSA as reasons for it's founding are not even close to similar. The CSA involved slavery so much that it was literally listed as a reason for the CSA's existence, you cannot say the same for Planned Parenthood. Well, you can't say the same thing and not be a liar, at least.

Yeah, and that makes PP that much more worse and yourself an even bigger water carrier for an evil organization like this.

Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

Prochoicers don't get to rewrite history because they don't like what Sanger says now. Sanger was the Founder of Planned Parenthood and that is her quote. Planned Parenthood owns her and everything she said with regards to reproduction rights, birth control, abortion, etc.

(07-15-2015 09:12 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

So the sociopath in the OP doesn't represent Planned Parenthood?

(07-15-2015 09:18 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:12 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:31 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 06:43 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  You guys do the same thing with the CSA.

Yeah, our bad that the CSA stopped being an organization over a hundred years ago, but we'll try to get some more recent quotes.

Not only does that statement sound ludicrous in that manner, a quote of a founder compared to direct statements released by the CSA as reasons for it's founding are not even close to similar. The CSA involved slavery so much that it was literally listed as a reason for the CSA's existence, you cannot say the same for Planned Parenthood. Well, you can't say the same thing and not be a liar, at least.

Yeah, and that makes PP that much more worse and yourself an even bigger water carrier for an evil organization like this.

Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

Prochoicers don't get to rewrite history because they don't like what Sanger says now. Sanger was the Founder of Planned Parenthood and that is her quote. Planned Parenthood owns her and everything she said with regards to reproduction rights, birth control, abortion, etc.

It's not rewriting history to say that Planned Parenthood does not own everything she's said about reproduction rights, birth control, abortion ad infinetum simply because she's it's founder, and it's ludicrous that you'd imply that. Can you find a single instance of Planned Parenthood making similar statements? Can you find examples of actions or trends that show PP effectively takes that stance?

Of course not, but you're not interested in reasoned debate, you're interested in slandering an organization that you think kills babies. I actually understand that, but I'm also able to look at the objective facts that 1) no organization can be held for every view it's founder had, unless it also held that view/took actions to further that view and 2) Planned parenthood did neither. It's a complete rubbish argument, and you really should hold yourself to a higher standard than acting like it has any merit whatsoever.

(07-15-2015 09:20 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:12 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

So the sociopath in the OP doesn't represent Planned Parenthood?

Not forever and always, no, unless Planned Parenthood has taken actions showing they have any sort of inclination to those views. You really can't be serious with this.

I've posted my position on abortion many times...if you really care, go look it up. It totally explains why I don't believe it to be murder. Besides, it's legal.

But one point of my abortion position is that I do not support abortions where the fetus is viable unless the life of the mother is in play, or if it were found to be the product of rape or incest.

And my religion is Methodist.

The difference is that I can separate my religious beliefs from my public policy positions. Sorry, but I don't get to make all the decisions for my fellow man. I have to respect their beliefs and religious positions regardless of whether I believe them or not myself...and yes...even those who choose to have no religion or believe in no God. I can pray for them though. And I do. I even pray for you guys. Sorry.

(07-15-2015 08:15 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:13 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 11:37 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  PP, a not so nice organization.



But Nancy says thanks for the award!

Are we really quoting 100 year old quotesmto represent companies now?...

Has their mission changed?

That wasn't a statement from Planned Parenthood, that was a statement from it's founder. Do you even know the difference between the two?

Has their mission changed?

(07-15-2015 09:33 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:15 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:13 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 11:37 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  PP, a not so nice organization.



But Nancy says thanks for the award!

Are we really quoting 100 year old quotesmto represent companies now?...

Has their mission changed?

That wasn't a statement from Planned Parenthood, that was a statement from it's founder. Do you even know the difference between the two?

Has their mission changed?

Her opinions do not equal Planned Parenthoods mission, which is a surprisingly simple concept that you unsurprisingly are having a hard time understanding.

(07-15-2015 09:29 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:18 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:12 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:31 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Yeah, our bad that the CSA stopped being an organization over a hundred years ago, but we'll try to get some more recent quotes.

Not only does that statement sound ludicrous in that manner, a quote of a founder compared to direct statements released by the CSA as reasons for it's founding are not even close to similar. The CSA involved slavery so much that it was literally listed as a reason for the CSA's existence, you cannot say the same for Planned Parenthood. Well, you can't say the same thing and not be a liar, at least.

Yeah, and that makes PP that much more worse and yourself an even bigger water carrier for an evil organization like this.

Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

Prochoicers don't get to rewrite history because they don't like what Sanger says now. Sanger was the Founder of Planned Parenthood and that is her quote. Planned Parenthood owns her and everything she said with regards to reproduction rights, birth control, abortion, etc.

It's not rewriting history to say that Planned Parenthood does not own everything she's said about reproduction rights, birth control, abortion ad infinetum simply because she's it's founder, and it's ludicrous that you'd imply that. Can you find a single instance of Planned Parenthood making similar statements? Can you find examples of actions or trends that show PP effectively takes that stance?

Of course not, but you're not interested in reasoned debate, you're interested in slandering an organization that you think kills babies. I actually understand that, but I'm also able to look at the objective facts that 1) no organization can be held for every view it's founder had, unless it also held that view/took actions to further that view and 2) Planned parenthood did neither. It's a complete rubbish argument, and you really should hold yourself to a higher standard than acting like it has any merit whatsoever.

Many on the left held Chik Fil A directly responsible for what it's founder said with regard to traditional marriage. How soon we forget the calls to ban Chick Fil A for the founder's opinions.

PP weighs in...and shock...that outfit is well known for heavily edited videos!

Sting Video Claims Planned Parenthood Sells Fetal Parts

(07-15-2015 09:31 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:20 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:12 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

So the sociopath in the OP doesn't represent Planned Parenthood?

Not forever and always, no, unless Planned Parenthood has taken actions showing they have any sort of inclination to those views. You really can't be serious with this.

Keep your head in the sand. The sociopath is in a senior position in the organization.
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/deborah-nuc...69/566/31b

(07-15-2015 09:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  PP weighs in...and shock...that outfit is well known for heavily edited videos!

Sting Video Claims Planned Parenthood Sells Fetal Parts

Full, UNEDITED video available here, water carrier. It was released the same day. Even EDITED, the sociopath's comments are deplorable.
Transcript of the entire conversation is here. http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/..._final.pdf

(07-15-2015 09:35 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:29 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:18 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:12 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 08:31 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Yeah, and that makes PP that much more worse and yourself an even bigger water carrier for an evil organization like this.

Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

Prochoicers don't get to rewrite history because they don't like what Sanger says now. Sanger was the Founder of Planned Parenthood and that is her quote. Planned Parenthood owns her and everything she said with regards to reproduction rights, birth control, abortion, etc.

It's not rewriting history to say that Planned Parenthood does not own everything she's said about reproduction rights, birth control, abortion ad infinetum simply because she's it's founder, and it's ludicrous that you'd imply that. Can you find a single instance of Planned Parenthood making similar statements? Can you find examples of actions or trends that show PP effectively takes that stance?

Of course not, but you're not interested in reasoned debate, you're interested in slandering an organization that you think kills babies. I actually understand that, but I'm also able to look at the objective facts that 1) no organization can be held for every view it's founder had, unless it also held that view/took actions to further that view and 2) Planned parenthood did neither. It's a complete rubbish argument, and you really should hold yourself to a higher standard than acting like it has any merit whatsoever.

Many on the left held Chik Fil A directly responsible for what it's founder said with regard to traditional marriage. How soon we forget the calls to ban Chick Fil A for the founder's opinions.

So you're explaining that it's wrong, but it's right for you to do the same? I don't understand your argument here.

Also, while I'm sure there were idiots on the left who didn't really understand or couldn't effectively explain why they were upset over the Chik-Fil-A issue, it wasn't about the Founders opinions, it was about the Founder giving money to particular groups which were involved in gay-to-straight conversion therapy. Money that he makes off of Chik-Fil-A sales. If he didn't donate money, they'd have no argument. Since the Founder of Planned Parenthood is clearly not giving any money to anyone due to the fact she's been dead 66, you therefore have no argument. Thanks for agreeing with me.

(07-15-2015 09:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I've posted my position on abortion many times...if you really care, go look it up. It totally explains why I don't believe it to be murder. Besides, it's legal.

But one point of my abortion position is that I do not support abortions where the fetus is viable unless the life of the mother is in play, or if it were found to be the product of rape or incest.

And my religion is Methodist.

The difference is that I can separate my religious beliefs from my public policy positions. Sorry, but I don't get to make all the decisions for my fellow man. I have to respect their beliefs and religious positions regardless of whether I believe them or not myself...and yes...even those who choose to have no religion or believe in no God. I can pray for them though. And I do. I even pray for you guys. Sorry.

Aw isn't that sweet…you pray for us. As if you are the one sitting on high moral ground. You and I will both answer to God someday. I'm not the one saying the murder of the unborn is ok because it is legal. I'm pretty sure God will be ok with my advocacy for saving the unborn lives that he creates.

(07-15-2015 09:36 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:31 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:20 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:12 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

So the sociopath in the OP doesn't represent Planned Parenthood?

Not forever and always, no, unless Planned Parenthood has taken actions showing they have any sort of inclination to those views. You really can't be serious with this.

Keep your head in the sand. The sociopath is in a senior position in the organization.
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/deborah-nuc...69/566/31b

No, how about you be an adult and at least admit that what I said was correct instead of changing the subject? I get it, this issue gets you upset, but grow the f*ck up and learn how to talk like an adult to another adult. Address my points, present cogent arguments, and at least give the impression you've read the post you're replying to. It shouldn't be too much to ask for.

(07-15-2015 09:40 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:35 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:29 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:18 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:12 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except nothing you've said is actually attributed to Planned Parenthood, unlike the CSA. Do you have any intention of having an honest discussion here, or are you just stuck on doing what you did the last post, writing nonsense? Honest question, because I think even you realize there is no validity to what you just said.

Prochoicers don't get to rewrite history because they don't like what Sanger says now. Sanger was the Founder of Planned Parenthood and that is her quote. Planned Parenthood owns her and everything she said with regards to reproduction rights, birth control, abortion, etc.

It's not rewriting history to say that Planned Parenthood does not own everything she's said about reproduction rights, birth control, abortion ad infinetum simply because she's it's founder, and it's ludicrous that you'd imply that. Can you find a single instance of Planned Parenthood making similar statements? Can you find examples of actions or trends that show PP effectively takes that stance?

Of course not, but you're not interested in reasoned debate, you're interested in slandering an organization that you think kills babies. I actually understand that, but I'm also able to look at the objective facts that 1) no organization can be held for every view it's founder had, unless it also held that view/took actions to further that view and 2) Planned parenthood did neither. It's a complete rubbish argument, and you really should hold yourself to a higher standard than acting like it has any merit whatsoever.

Many on the left held Chik Fil A directly responsible for what it's founder said with regard to traditional marriage. How soon we forget the calls to ban Chick Fil A for the founder's opinions.

So you're explaining that it's wrong, but it's right for you to do the same? I don't understand your argument here.

Also, while I'm sure there were idiots on the left who didn't really understand or couldn't effectively explain why they were upset over the Chik-Fil-A issue, it wasn't about the Founders opinions, it was about the Founder giving money to particular groups which were involved in gay-to-straight conversion therapy. Money that he makes off of Chik-Fil-A sales. If he didn't donate money, they'd have no argument. Since the Founder of Planned Parenthood is clearly not giving any money to anyone due to the fact she's been dead 66, you therefore have no argument. Thanks for agreeing with me.

I was giving an easy example of how the left will tie a founder to their quotes/beliefs to contradict your point number 1. BTW Most people would expect someone who holds certain beliefs to give money to charities organizations that uphold their beliefs so arguing that the left wasn't mad about the opinion only the donated money is silly. They were mad he advocates traditional marriage. Period.
Sanger being dead versus Cathey being alive is immaterial to the argument.

Planned Parenthood celebrates Sanger and even has a Sanger Award. How can you argue that they don't fully support and celebrate her when they give out a freaking annual award in her honor?
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-u...rd-winners

(07-15-2015 09:40 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I've posted my position on abortion many times...if you really care, go look it up. It totally explains why I don't believe it to be murder. Besides, it's legal.

But one point of my abortion position is that I do not support abortions where the fetus is viable unless the life of the mother is in play, or if it were found to be the product of rape or incest.

And my religion is Methodist.

The difference is that I can separate my religious beliefs from my public policy positions. Sorry, but I don't get to make all the decisions for my fellow man. I have to respect their beliefs and religious positions regardless of whether I believe them or not myself...and yes...even those who choose to have no religion or believe in no God. I can pray for them though. And I do. I even pray for you guys. Sorry.

Aw isn't that sweet…you pray for us. As if you are the one sitting on high moral ground. You and I will both answer to God someday. I'm not the one saying the murder of the unborn is ok because it is legal. I'm pretty sure God will be ok with my advocacy for saving the unborn lives that he creates.

Be sure to ask him why the overwhelming majority of all fertilized eggs end in spontaneous abortions. Nah, I'm just playing, we all know there's no afterlife.

(07-15-2015 09:44 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:40 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:35 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:29 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:18 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Prochoicers don't get to rewrite history because they don't like what Sanger says now. Sanger was the Founder of Planned Parenthood and that is her quote. Planned Parenthood owns her and everything she said with regards to reproduction rights, birth control, abortion, etc.

It's not rewriting history to say that Planned Parenthood does not own everything she's said about reproduction rights, birth control, abortion ad infinetum simply because she's it's founder, and it's ludicrous that you'd imply that. Can you find a single instance of Planned Parenthood making similar statements? Can you find examples of actions or trends that show PP effectively takes that stance?

Of course not, but you're not interested in reasoned debate, you're interested in slandering an organization that you think kills babies. I actually understand that, but I'm also able to look at the objective facts that 1) no organization can be held for every view it's founder had, unless it also held that view/took actions to further that view and 2) Planned parenthood did neither. It's a complete rubbish argument, and you really should hold yourself to a higher standard than acting like it has any merit whatsoever.

Many on the left held Chik Fil A directly responsible for what it's founder said with regard to traditional marriage. How soon we forget the calls to ban Chick Fil A for the founder's opinions.

So you're explaining that it's wrong, but it's right for you to do the same? I don't understand your argument here.

Also, while I'm sure there were idiots on the left who didn't really understand or couldn't effectively explain why they were upset over the Chik-Fil-A issue, it wasn't about the Founders opinions, it was about the Founder giving money to particular groups which were involved in gay-to-straight conversion therapy. Money that he makes off of Chik-Fil-A sales. If he didn't donate money, they'd have no argument. Since the Founder of Planned Parenthood is clearly not giving any money to anyone due to the fact she's been dead 66, you therefore have no argument. Thanks for agreeing with me.

I was giving an easy example of how the left will tie a founder to their quotes/beliefs to contradict your point number 1.

Planned Parenthood celebrates Sanger and even has a Sanger Award. How can you argue that they don't support her when they give out a freaking annual award in her honor?
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-u...rd-winners

1. Your example was sh*t, and I think even you can admit that. Hence, why you're not defending it at all.

2. I don't know enough about Margaret Sanger to know whether or not she deserves an award named after her. A lot of people in that period were enchanted by the pseudo-scientific ideas of eugenics, and I don't know her reaction upon seeing those similar views taken to the extreme by Hitler. For all I know she became an ardent critic of eugenics in the last 40 years of her life, but I do know I'm not willing to make a snap judgement based on a single quote listed on a messageboard. Because I'm a rational adult.

(07-15-2015 09:40 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I've posted my position on abortion many times...if you really care, go look it up. It totally explains why I don't believe it to be murder. Besides, it's legal.

But one point of my abortion position is that I do not support abortions where the fetus is viable unless the life of the mother is in play, or if it were found to be the product of rape or incest.

And my religion is Methodist.

The difference is that I can separate my religious beliefs from my public policy positions. Sorry, but I don't get to make all the decisions for my fellow man. I have to respect their beliefs and religious positions regardless of whether I believe them or not myself...and yes...even those who choose to have no religion or believe in no God. I can pray for them though. And I do. I even pray for you guys. Sorry.

Aw isn't that sweet…you pray for us. As if you are the one sitting on high moral ground. You and I will both answer to God someday. I'm not the one saying the murder of the unborn is ok because it is legal. I'm pretty sure God will be ok with my advocacy for saving the unborn lives that he creates.

Nope...unlike you, I don't pretend to be on a higher moral ground.

And I have nothing to answer to God for on this. I've never had an abortion since I'm a guy and I've never counseled anyone else to have one either...and I never would. If I were ever in that position, I would advise adoption as long as the health of the mother or baby wasn't in jeopardy...and then I'd leave the decision to the mother.