that little law suite issue agaist the ACC has proven to be a pain in the buttocks for UCONN

(08-01-2015 09:14 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  UConn has a lot to offer any conference, but is too far from the Big 12 to make sense, in my opinion.

I think this is a very good point here. UConn being P5 material doesn't mean it's a good fit in any given P5 (i.e. Big 12).

As far as the "flash in the pan" statement, UConn first won the Big East and went to a NCAA regional final in 1990 - so that's 25 years ago. It's only been about 60 years that the NCAA tournament was the main tournament in college basketball (modern era) as the NIT was the main tournament before that. I'd hardly say that 25 years with 4 NCAA titles, 5 final fours, numerous Big East titles and a couple other regional finals is a flash in the pan or insignificant or "fluky" as I read somewhere else.

(08-04-2015 07:27 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  that little law suite issue agaist the ACC has proven to be a pain in the buttocks for UCONN

UConn's problems:

1. Football program hasn't been around long enough.
2. Football program has been awful the last 5 years.
3. UConn athletics branded their football program awfully (case in point, look at how much better they were than Syracuse the final 10 years of the Big East... no one knows that).

much lesser problems:

4. Connecticut is a strange and non-understood market - no major cities, near large metro areas but densely populated. Heavy influence on pro sports.
5. The Northeast is a devalued football market.
6. The "West Virginia" effect - school is pretty far from a large city or airport.

maybe not even problems:

7. Stadium is not on campus (although way easier for 90% of Connecticut to get to).
8. Stale but wealthy population of Connecticut.
9. Regional footprint (outside of Connecticut) is mostly driven by basketball.

(08-04-2015 06:13 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Conferences don't overly care about your Women's Basketball or Ice Fishing trophies. You suck where it counts most, and your basketball is still trying to prove it's more than just the product of a really hot handed coach.

Sorry, no Ice Fishing trophies - yet.

But there are a couple of Polo trophies in there, I'll give you that. There's also a couple of Soccer ones, several Field Hockey ones, the aforementioned Women's Hoops ones, the four Men's Hoops ones - all coming within a 30-35 year period.

Which leads to my main point: Whenever it comes to discussing UConn's 'value', the metrics always seem to shift to fit opposing arguments.

* They're a Top-20 Public U? Sorry, they're not an AAU member - they suck.
* They own 100% of a top-30 TV market? Sorry, that market doesn't care about football - they suck.
* That market would care a lot more if Michigan were showing up instead of Memphis? Sorry, they'd just care more about Michigan than they would about UConn - they suck.
* The football stadium can be reached by 90% of the state in an hour or less, and can be expanded to 55K with the snap of a finger? Sorry, it's not on-campus - it sucks.
* The state invested $1bn into the school last decade, and just voted to invest $1.5bn more a couple years ago? Sorry, their AD's subsidy is too high - they suck.
* Women's hoops is the greatest program of all time - 10 NCs and counting - plus they make more money then most FBS football programs? Sorry, our message-board fans don't overly care about that sport - they suck.
* Men's hoops are 'elite' with 4 titles in 16 years? Sorry, those NCs need to be spread out over 60-80 years and 3-4 coaches before UConn can be considered 'elite' - they suck.
* UConn wins at a lot of sports and would easily carry its weight in any major athletic conference? Sorry, Purdue/Wazzu/Wake/ISU etc. are still better because they've been in their respective conferences forever - UConn sucks.

Yeah, we get the picture: no matter what we do or say, our Huskies still suck out loud. But dig this: about 80-90% of the alleged P5 athletic departments would kill to be as 'sucky' as UConn right now, and that's the honest truth...

Or maybe everyone else underestimates the value of UConn winning a bunch of titles because their school hasn't done it.

And dude, if you're gonna go the cheesy, played-out meme route, use a smaller font so we can at least see the picture. Couldn't hurt, might help...

The best fit for UConn is the ACC; but that doesn't seem likely at this point.

Were they considered initially over Pitt? I thought I read that somewhere but BC protested too much.....

(08-04-2015 11:47 AM)rjglassett Wrote:  The best fit for UConn is the ACC; but that doesn't seem likely at this point.

Were they considered initially over Pitt? I thought I read that somewhere but BC protested too much.....

That was the least subtle attempt at baiting posters into another never ending Eagle76 v. UConn argument.

If, I ran the ACC, I would add both Cincinnati and UConn, but alas I do not.

(08-04-2015 11:15 AM)epark88 Wrote:  * They're a Top-20 Public U? Sorry, they're not an AAU member - they suck.

Top-20 Public University? C'mon, they aren't even the highest ranked American Athletic school in the AWRU/US 2014 rankings:

#78-105: Houston, UC, USF
#105-125: Temple, Tulane, UCF, UConn

They are a good school (the US #105-125 tier in that list is the #301-400 tier worldwide, and being among the top 400 Universities is certainly a good research school) ... but don't overstate their academic status.

(08-04-2015 12:04 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 11:15 AM)epark88 Wrote:  * They're a Top-20 Public U? Sorry, they're not an AAU member - they suck.

Top-20 Public University? C'mon, they aren't even the highest ranked American Athletic school in the AWRU/US 2014 rankings:

#78-105: Houston, UC, USF
#105-125: Temple, Tulane, UCF, UConn

They are a good school (the US #105-125 tier in that list is the #301-400 tier worldwide, and being among the top 400 Universities is certainly a good research school) ... but don't overstate their academic status.

* USNWR ranks UConn as a Top 20 Public U, and 58th overall? Sorry, there's another flawed, subjective ranking service that has them at #105-125, but that service is INTERNATIONAL so it counts more - they suck.

* UConn is a member of Universitas 21, an exclusive INTERNATIONAL research consortium of 25 schools from around the globe and one of only three from the US? Sorry, UConn's still not an AAU member - they suck.

Y'all see how this game is played now?...

(08-04-2015 11:49 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 11:47 AM)rjglassett Wrote:  The best fit for UConn is the ACC; but that doesn't seem likely at this point.

Were they considered initially over Pitt? I thought I read that somewhere but BC protested too much.....

That was the least subtle attempt at baiting posters into another never ending Eagle76 v. UConn argument.

Who is Eagle76? If you are going to bring me into this, at least get my screen name correct! :)

(08-04-2015 12:04 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 11:15 AM)epark88 Wrote:  * They're a Top-20 Public U? Sorry, they're not an AAU member - they suck.

Top-20 Public University? C'mon, they aren't even the highest ranked American Athletic school in the AWRU/US 2014 rankings:

#78-105: Houston, UC, USF
#105-125: Temple, Tulane, UCF, UConn

They are a good school (the US #105-125 tier in that list is the #301-400 tier worldwide, and being among the top 400 Universities is certainly a good research school) ... but don't overstate their academic status.

In what alternate universe are we living in where the likes of Houston and USF are ranked higher academically than Uconn and Tulane?

(08-04-2015 01:15 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 12:04 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 11:15 AM)epark88 Wrote:  * They're a Top-20 Public U? Sorry, they're not an AAU member - they suck.

Top-20 Public University? C'mon, they aren't even the highest ranked American Athletic school in the AWRU/US 2014 rankings:

#78-105: Houston, UC, USF
#105-125: Temple, Tulane, UCF, UConn

They are a good school (the US #105-125 tier in that list is the #301-400 tier worldwide, and being among the top 400 Universities is certainly a good research school) ... but don't overstate their academic status.

In what alternate universe are we living in where the likes of Houston and USF are ranked higher academically than Uconn and Tulane?

Hey, to be fair the Academic Rankings above (which are all universities, not just public) definitively prove that the Pac-12 is the best conference - being that Stanford and Cal are the only top 10 schools that are in the BCS (or a P5) In fact, there are no P5 in the top 20 of that list that aren't in the Pac-12 (Washington and UCLA are in there). Seems like a relevant ranking to me. *sarcasm*

(07-24-2015 12:27 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  The AAC will backfill at least one spot with Old Dominion.

Keep building. Old Dominion has fans. That is important as the moves happen. : )

So, UCONN wasn't a fit just last summer then within 4 months and UCONN's president going to dinner with KSU's president UCONN suddenly became a "great fit".

LOL.