Assuming Dick Weiss is correct . . .

The Big 10 is not going to take Kansas and Oklahoma and stop at the Red River.

They will take a Texas school. A&M is not available. They would prefer UT. If UT chooses to go elsewhere, it could get very interesting.

Dick Weiss has also made some pretty bad errors too. Everyone remembers his Big East split ... nobody remembers the scores of wrong crap along the way. Much like a realignment Nostradamus. Given infinite chances to make predictions, a few will come true, and too many people will forget the ones that didn't.

Having said that, if true, it would be a catalyst towards #TeamMegaconference ..... and that would be good!

I'm sorry but all this talk of 20 team conferences is just ridiculous. At 20 teams it could be years before you play some of the teams in your own conference and that's just crazy. 16 is as large as I would like to see and that's still too big really. Do any of you think a 20 team conference would hold together in the long run?

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(07-27-2015 04:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Dick Weiss has also made some pretty bad errors too. Everyone remembers his Big East split ... nobody remembers the scores of wrong crap along the way. Much like a realignment Nostradamus. Given infinite chances to make predictions, a few will come true, and too many people will forget the ones that didn't.

Having said that, if true, it would be a catalyst towards #TeamMegaconference ..... and that would be good!

Can't wait for that Pitt-Miss St game.

(07-27-2015 04:12 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Assuming Dick Weiss is correct . . .

The Big 10 is not going to take Kansas and Oklahoma and stop at the Red River.

They will take a Texas school. A&M is not available. They would prefer UT. If UT chooses to go elsewhere, it could get very interesting.

There was a Houston insider on the radio last week that said the best chance for their school was with the B1G.

(07-27-2015 04:37 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Can't wait for that Pitt-Miss St game.

Pitt fans can deal with the contrived rivalry to regain the Backyard Brawl. There are some total BS crossover "rivalries" in the ACC and SEC right now too.

(07-27-2015 04:37 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I'm sorry but all this talk of 20 team conferences is just ridiculous. At 20 teams it could be years before you play some of the teams in your own conference and that's just crazy. 16 is as large as I would like to see and that's still too big really. Do any of you think a 20 team conference would hold together in the long run?

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If the conference is run in a "federalist" style where the divisions themselves represent small tight-nit geographical small conferences ... then yes. If we try to paint a landscape by major markets like we're doing now ... then no. Your pod/division represents nearly all teams you actually WANT to play. Then you get a light sampler of other teams of interest over time. The only team in #TeamMegaconference who has a major team of interest they'd want to play out of conference would be Nebraska (Colorado).

(07-27-2015 04:37 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I'm sorry but all this talk of 20 team conferences is just ridiculous. At 20 teams it could be years before you play some of the teams in your own conference and that's just crazy. 16 is as large as I would like to see and that's still too big really. Do any of you think a 20 team conference would hold together in the long run?

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Unless you go to a pod system of say, 4 pods of 5. Then it's doable.

If they do this Mega-Conference crap, I know myself and many others would be done with college sports. They'd lose a ton of fans and money. So I hope they understand that trying to force people everywhere to watch a few contrived rivalries with schools participating that half the fans didn't attend, would fail. I hope they're smart enough to know that addition by subtraction usually fails miserably.

I would say yes. For those that remember, Dick Weiss broke the first Big East raid. His contact(s) within Fox Sports are long, deep, and long-lasting. A lot of guys thought that the strings that were pulled between/among Fox and the Big East catholics used Mr. Weiss as a conduit. So yes, he is extremely connected. However, it is on a macro level. I doubt if he has any connections in the Big 12 conference. The Big Ten conference, yes. He obviously is a key contributor to their network. I don't know how deep that is, but it does exist.

I really doubt folks would stop watching college sports in droves. That's just silly.

(07-27-2015 05:06 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  If they do this Mega-Conference crap, I know myself and many others would be done with college sports. They'd lose a ton of fans and money. So I hope they understand that trying to force people everywhere to watch a few contrived rivalries with schools participating that half the fans didn't attend, would fail. I hope they're smart enough to know that addition by subtraction usually fails miserably.

I think you'd be a in a very small minority indeed if we went to Megaconferences. But I understand why USF fans in particular would be bitter about that ... because if there is a team that can make the jump up in the southeast it would almost certainly be UCF due to their China approach to college sports (60,000+ enrollment) and recent attention to on campus facilities.

Nobody likes getting picked last in dodgeball.

(07-27-2015 05:01 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 04:37 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I'm sorry but all this talk of 20 team conferences is just ridiculous. At 20 teams it could be years before you play some of the teams in your own conference and that's just crazy. 16 is as large as I would like to see and that's still too big really. Do any of you think a 20 team conference would hold together in the long run?

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Unless you go to a pod system of say, 4 pods of 5. Then it's doable.

I like the 4 pods of 6 which could add schools like Boise State that does make money which could help everybody along. Slive was hinting that the power schools will be more than 65 schools. I think he was hinting that Boise State could be part of the power school configeration since they are keeping up with the P5 schools.

(07-27-2015 05:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 05:06 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  If they do this Mega-Conference crap, I know myself and many others would be done with college sports. They'd lose a ton of fans and money. So I hope they understand that trying to force people everywhere to watch a few contrived rivalries with schools participating that half the fans didn't attend, would fail. I hope they're smart enough to know that addition by subtraction usually fails miserably.

I think you'd be a in a very small minority indeed if we went to Megaconferences. But I understand why USF fans in particular would be bitter about that ... because if there is a team that can make the jump up in the southeast it would almost certainly be UCF due to their China approach to college sports (60,000+ enrollment) and recent attention to on campus facilities.

Nobody likes getting picked last in dodgeball.

So 50k vs 60k enrolment with a NFL stadium and better all around Athletic program, with slightly better Academic criteria as well as a larger Endowment and larger Research dollars mean nothing. I gotcha. yep, you're spot on.

(07-27-2015 05:12 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  So 50k vs 60k enrolment with a NFL stadium and better all around Athletic program with slightly better Academic criteria as well as a larger endowment and larger Research dollars mean nothing. I gotcha. yep, you're spot on.

A NFL stadium is not as good as an on campus stadium .... even a dumpy one. Nobody at Miami is going "Oooooo yea let's play at the Dolphins stadium forever this is great!" They're trying to get something smaller, more intimiate, more exciting, more on campus. Plus when you own the stadium, you don't have scheduling issues like you would otherwise.

The 20% enrollment difference is nothing to sneeze it.

As the last hold out of academics in major college sports (Pac-12/ACC) proved with their most recent acquisitions (Utah/Louisville) ..... academics no longer drives the bus even if it should. The solution now is for the athletic departments themselves to form relationships so lucrative they pay for themselves and give back to the academic side like they do at LSU and Texas and a few other places. Beloved Boise State was a damn JuCo in the RECENT past. It's over for academics. Research dollars is also irrelevant to this discussion. Otherwise Yale and Harvard would be in the FBS.

UCF has a larger alumni base. Better on campus facilities. Better fan support. And a demonstrated stronger commitment to athletics. And they're in a better destination city.

Nothing against USF or Tampa / Clearwater. I just think they got serious too late in the game. All those years USF had Big East money and UCF didn't weren't enough to make a difference.

(07-27-2015 05:23 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 05:12 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  So 50k vs 60k enrolment with a NFL stadium and better all around Athletic program with slightly better Academic criteria as well as a larger endowment and larger Research dollars mean nothing. I gotcha. yep, you're spot on.

A NFL stadium is not as good as an on campus stadium .... even a dumpy one. Nobody at Miami is going "Oooooo yea let's play at the Dolphins stadium forever this is great!" They're trying to get something smaller, more intimiate, more exciting, more on campus. Plus when you own the stadium, you don't have scheduling issues like you would otherwise.

The 20% enrollment difference is nothing to sneeze it.

As the last hold out of academics in major college sports (Pac-12/ACC) proved with their most recent acquisitions (Utah/Louisville) ..... academics no longer drives the bus even if it should. The solution now is for the athletic departments themselves to form relationships so lucrative they pay for themselves and give back to the academic side like they do at LSU and Texas and a few other places. Beloved Boise State was a damn JuCo in the RECENT past. It's over for academics. Research dollars is also irrelevant to this discussion. Otherwise Yale and Harvard would be in the FBS.

UCF has a larger alumni base. Better on campus facilities. Better fan support. And a demonstrated stronger commitment to athletics. And they're in a better destination city.

Nothing against USF or Tampa / Clearwater. I just think they got serious too late in the game. All those years USF had Big East money and UCF didn't weren't enough to make a difference.

I'm glad you aren't in charge but, whatever happens, happens. As for my being in a "Very Small Minority", I'm sure you'll find that you're very wrong. Not everyone is willing to have someone **** on a plate and charge them for serving a steak.

I'll go on record as also predicting you'd be in a very small minority.

(07-27-2015 05:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Nobody likes getting picked last in dodgeball.

Southern Miss just wishes they had been picked at all, even last. As it is now, they are permanently relegated to also ran status. If a consolidation of power conferences does take place, some who have been at the big boy table for a while might find themselves in a similar predicament.

OU/KU in the B1G.

UT and ND full time in the ACC.

AAC/Big 12 merger:

West: KSU, Baylor, TCU, ISU, OSU, Houston, TTech

East: WVU, UC, UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis

Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU either go back to Conf USA or MWC.

To me, that conference is enough, football wise, to compete for a playoff spot with the top 4.

(07-27-2015 05:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  OU/KU in the B1G.

UT and ND full time in the ACC.

AAC/Big 12 merger:

West: KSU, Baylor, TCU, ISU, OSU, Houston, TTech

East: WVU, UC, UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis

Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU either go back to Conf USA or MWC.

To me, that conference is enough, football wise, to compete for a playoff spot with the top 4.

This looks fantastic. Strengthens the B1G and ACC. The AAC/Big XII merged conference would be competitive. On par with the old Big East.