(07-28-2015 11:41 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:55 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:49 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:34 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  Are you in 23517?

All I can say is thank the Lord for those tracks.

Do you think the people living on the other side of those tracks are inherently worse people by some genetic trait? Or do you think that it's a product of their environment?

Certainly their environment, but not the neighborhood, or indeed zip code, it's their parent(s) and peers. Morality aside, the reason that I don't rob or shoot people is that I have something to lose by getting caught. If you want to have a nice job, own a house and have a stable family then you have something to lose by obtaining a criminal record. If you lack the morals and the motivation for something better then there's no reason not to commit a crime. My motivation for something better was instilled by my parents.

It was installed partly by your parents, but also by your peers and those outside of your nuclear family unit that you encounter on a daily basis. They have a not-insignificant effect that is often ignored.

Of course there are a number of people and factors that made me who I am, but my outlook on life comes pretty much wholly from my parents or a product of my upbringing, which was decided by my parents. If nothing else this has taught me how enormous the responsibility of having children is, it's going to be the most important thing I ever do in my life.

since the topic is vague enough.....you just touched on another of my pet peeves.....

parenting as it once existed is all but gone.....now you have to fear the DHS if you discipline.....and that's only one of the many caveats

the spoiled little biatches have taken over....and neither the rich nor the meek don't know how to combat.....they just roll over....

this is why trump is gaining.....

(07-28-2015 12:01 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 11:41 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:55 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 10:49 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Do you think the people living on the other side of those tracks are inherently worse people by some genetic trait? Or do you think that it's a product of their environment?

Certainly their environment, but not the neighborhood, or indeed zip code, it's their parent(s) and peers. Morality aside, the reason that I don't rob or shoot people is that I have something to lose by getting caught. If you want to have a nice job, own a house and have a stable family then you have something to lose by obtaining a criminal record. If you lack the morals and the motivation for something better then there's no reason not to commit a crime. My motivation for something better was instilled by my parents.

It was installed partly by your parents, but also by your peers and those outside of your nuclear family unit that you encounter on a daily basis. They have a not-insignificant effect that is often ignored.

Of course there are a number of people and factors that made me who I am, but my outlook on life comes pretty much wholly from my parents or a product of my upbringing, which was decided by my parents. If nothing else this has taught me how enormous the responsibility of having children is, it's going to be the most important thing I ever do in my life.

since the topic is vague enough.....you just touched on another of my pet peeves.....

parenting as it once existed is all but gone.....now you have to fear the DHS if you discipline.....and that's only one of the many caveats

the spoiled little biatches have taken over....and neither the rich nor the meek don't know how to combat.....they just roll over....

this is why trump is gaining.....

I remember when one of my young ones tried the "child services" threat to being punished. I handed him the phone and said - "go ahead and call them. You can go live in some foster house with one pair of shoes. Oh yeah, no more sports for you - foster families don't have time for that stuff like I make time to do it."

Ended that nonsense real quick.

Never heard the threat again either.

WND.

(07-28-2015 01:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  WND.

Thanks for your contribution.

You are a valued member of this community.

(07-28-2015 09:15 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  "the country has 'a history of putting affordable housing in poor communities,'"

NO idiot. "Affordable" housing is built in communities, then said housing is destroyed by the tenants, thus contributing to the demise of the entire community. Like a plague of locusts that destroys everything they touch. People forget that most of these inner city SHITT communities at one time used to be flourishing, in-demand communities where people actually wanted to live. Then the locusts invaded and destroyed.

The plague appears to be on the verge of spreading if nonsense like this is even entertained.

You can't even pay good money to get away from the dregs of society now? I've worked my ass off to live where the hell I want to live. AWAY from the locusts. Sounds like I will be forced to "co-exist" with them whether I like it or not. Obama's promise to increase crime in the suburbs so we can all enjoy it.

You mean "blacks". Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean?

In summary: If you take government money...they get to tell you how you're allowed to spend it.

Thanks Obama...another first!

(07-28-2015 01:58 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:15 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  "the country has 'a history of putting affordable housing in poor communities,'"

NO idiot. "Affordable" housing is built in communities, then said housing is destroyed by the tenants, thus contributing to the demise of the entire community. Like a plague of locusts that destroys everything they touch. People forget that most of these inner city SHITT communities at one time used to be flourishing, in-demand communities where people actually wanted to live. Then the locusts invaded and destroyed.

The plague appears to be on the verge of spreading if nonsense like this is even entertained.

You can't even pay good money to get away from the dregs of society now? I've worked my ass off to live where the hell I want to live. AWAY from the locusts. Sounds like I will be forced to "co-exist" with them whether I like it or not. Obama's promise to increase crime in the suburbs so we can all enjoy it.

You mean "blacks". Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean?

You're a disgusting racist for implying that. You should be put on a terrorist watch list for this statement.

I'm so ******* triggered right now by RobertN. OFFENDED AND TRIGGERED. I'm about to write a freaking blog on Tumblr using RobertN's racism as my primary source of shitlordness.

Quote:The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) has released a final rule to equip communities that receive HUD funding with the data and tools that will help them to meet long-standing fair housing obligations in their use of HUD funds. HUD will provide publicly open data for grantees to use to assess the state of fair housing within their communities and to set locally-determined priorities and goals. The rule responds to recommendations of the Government Accountability Office and stakeholders for HUD to enhance its fair housing planning obligations by providing greater clarity and support to jurisdictions receiving HUD funding, and facilitating local decision-making on fair housing priorities and goals.

http://www.huduser.org/portal/affht_pt.html#final-rule

(07-28-2015 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:34 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm glad they are separating by zip code since the train tracks run right through the middle of mine and the trash stays on the other side of the tracks.

Are you in 23517?

All I can say is thank the Lord for those tracks.

Do you think the people living on the other side of those tracks are inherently worse people by some genetic trait? Or do you think that it's a product of their environment?

They are black so my guess is that they believe it is genetic.

(07-28-2015 02:01 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 01:58 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:15 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  "the country has 'a history of putting affordable housing in poor communities,'"

NO idiot. "Affordable" housing is built in communities, then said housing is destroyed by the tenants, thus contributing to the demise of the entire community. Like a plague of locusts that destroys everything they touch. People forget that most of these inner city SHITT communities at one time used to be flourishing, in-demand communities where people actually wanted to live. Then the locusts invaded and destroyed.

The plague appears to be on the verge of spreading if nonsense like this is even entertained.

You can't even pay good money to get away from the dregs of society now? I've worked my ass off to live where the hell I want to live. AWAY from the locusts. Sounds like I will be forced to "co-exist" with them whether I like it or not. Obama's promise to increase crime in the suburbs so we can all enjoy it.

You mean "blacks". Why don't you just come out and say what you really mean?

You're a disgusting racist for implying that. You should be put on a terrorist watch list for this statement.

I'm so ******* triggered right now by RobertN. OFFENDED AND TRIGGERED. I'm about to write a freaking blog on Tumblr using RobertN's racism as my primary source of shitlordness.

Sorry for angering you. I guess I should have posted "people of less means than you" because I think that is actually more accurate.

(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I won't argue against that, but you're sort of sidestepping the question with that response. Why do children born on the other side of the tracks have such different outcomes than those born on the right side of the tracks?

Hell...That's easy.

If Mom and Dad set rules with morals and values, and tell you who you can and can't hang with and you cross the rules, you get your ass handed to you. If you do it enough you finally get tired of getting your ass wiped and you quit.

But on the other hand if your parent or guardian allows you to do what ever you what when ever you want you become the environment you run with. You hang with thugs you become a thug.

(07-28-2015 02:29 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I won't argue against that, but you're sort of sidestepping the question with that response. Why do children born on the other side of the tracks have such different outcomes than those born on the right side of the tracks?

Hell...That's easy.

If Mom and Dad set rules with morals and values, and tell you who you can and can't hang with and you cross the rules, you get your ass handed to you. If you do it enough you finally get tired of getting your ass wiped and you quit.

But on the other hand if your parent or guardian allows you to do what ever you what when ever you want you become the environment you run with. You hang with thugs you become a thug.

Yeah. I am sure that's it.

(07-28-2015 02:34 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:29 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I won't argue against that, but you're sort of sidestepping the question with that response. Why do children born on the other side of the tracks have such different outcomes than those born on the right side of the tracks?

Hell...That's easy.

If Mom and Dad set rules with morals and values, and tell you who you can and can't hang with and you cross the rules, you get your ass handed to you. If you do it enough you finally get tired of getting your ass wiped and you quit.

But on the other hand if your parent or guardian allows you to do what ever you what when ever you want you become the environment you run with. You hang with thugs you become a thug.

Yeah. I am sure that's it.

That's exactly it, period.

(07-28-2015 03:06 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:34 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 02:29 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I won't argue against that, but you're sort of sidestepping the question with that response. Why do children born on the other side of the tracks have such different outcomes than those born on the right side of the tracks?

Hell...That's easy.

If Mom and Dad set rules with morals and values, and tell you who you can and can't hang with and you cross the rules, you get your ass handed to you. If you do it enough you finally get tired of getting your ass wiped and you quit.

But on the other hand if your parent or guardian allows you to do what ever you what when ever you want you become the environment you run with. You hang with thugs you become a thug.

Yeah. I am sure that's it.

That's exactly it, period.

No, it isn't. It's nowhere near that simple, and if you as an adult truly believe in such simplistic nonsense, I feel bad for you. Might as well believe all poor people don't work hard or that the inverse is also true.

Buying about 15-20 acres, building a house slap in the middle of it, and not allowing anyone else to build on said property will take care of this. Might even be courteous enough to post some signs at the road:

- No HUD or Section 8 allowed
- Trespassers will be shot onsite

Well it can't happen to me because where I live. But if it did, since I own my home, I'd just rent it and build another one and have it paid for in 10 years.

(07-28-2015 02:29 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I won't argue against that, but you're sort of sidestepping the question with that response. Why do children born on the other side of the tracks have such different outcomes than those born on the right side of the tracks?

Hell...That's easy.

If Mom and Dad set rules with morals and values, and tell you who you can and can't hang with and you cross the rules, you get your ass handed to you. If you do it enough you finally get tired of getting your ass wiped and you quit.

But on the other hand if your parent or guardian allows you to do what ever you what when ever you want you become the environment you run with. You hang with thugs you become a thug.

What you are implying is that poor people have no rules or morals. That's ridiculous.

(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I won't argue against that, but you're sort of sidestepping the question with that response. Why do children born on the other side of the tracks have such different outcomes than those born on the right side of the tracks?

If they are born on the wrong side of the tracks, then most likely mom and dad live on the wrong side of the tracks, and the reasons why mom and dad live there probably have a huge influence on junior.

There could be many reasons--racism is surely one, others include IQ, education, ambition, the "welfare trap," you can probably come up with others. What we need to try to do is to break that cycle as much as possible.

I can't attribute motives to the democrats because I can't crawl inside their heads. But I can say that if they were going to design a welfare policy with the specific intent of keeping the poor trapped in poverty, this is what they'd come up with. And yes, I think that has a lot to do with why children born on the wrong side of the tracks grow up to live on the wrong side of the tracks.

Unfortunately, republicans can't seem to come up with a grip on how to address this problem. Individual republicans--Jack Kemp and Rand Paul among them--have addressed this issue and have come up with good ideas, but the party as a whole can't come up with a compelling message on this issue.

So you have one party that knows it has a large captive voting bloc as long as the poor remain dumb, poor, and voting democrat, and so they implement policies to accomplish that, and another party that can't seem to come to grips with the problem or any solution to that. On this issue at least, it really is evil party versus stupid party. And if that analysis offends anybody, then good, if you are in a position to be offended by anything I said here, you need offending.

As long as the first new subsidized housing goes in wealthy, Democrat-voting neighborhoods. We wouldn't want our downtrodden minority section 8ers living among a bunch of hateful bigots.

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