(08-17-2015 12:26 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I'm not sure the NCAA will change anything without being challenged.

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That's my biggest fear coupled with Liberty sitting around waiting for the NCAA to do something.

(08-17-2015 04:24 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:26 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I'm not sure the NCAA will change anything without being challenged.

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That's my biggest fear coupled with Liberty sitting around waiting for the NCAA to do something.

This is the one point that most everyone appears to agree upon. LU must act and push the envelope and lead the challenge for others to follow.

(08-13-2015 08:34 PM)ODUAlumni2015 Wrote:  That looks about right for an independent schedule. It could be worst if teams like Notre Dame and TCU were involved. With your D, you guys could make a stand right away. I hope you don't consider us a weaker team on the schedule. We have 2 strong FBS classes coming in and we are a completely different team. I expect ODU to win by least 3 TDs when Norfolk St comes to Foreman Field.

Granted, I see things through red flamed glasses, but I think Liberty could go toe to toe with ODU, much like the last game. When we do make it to FBS, I'm counting on regular series with ODU, maybe not every year, but often. Would be great for it to become some kind of trophy game.

I am hoping for big things this year from ODU. I have followed the program ever since I was stationed at Ft. Eustis, VA. Even went to a game (incredibly it was the one you lost to Villanova).

..... And to answer your question. No, I would certainly not consider ODU to be a weaker team on the schedule. And you are being generous if you think you will only beat Norfolk St. by at least 3 TD's.

What's the status of a new football stadium? You need that badly.

I'm not sure having a group jump up to follow LU to independence would be a good thing. I support all schools endeavor to go FBS if that's what they want. But say, five other schools made the move. I could see a scenario where the LU schedule consisted every year of Idaho, UMass, Jacksonville St., EKU, JMU, Montana, NDSU, etc. over and over again. Would we be boxed in with the other independents?

We would need home games. I think it would work to our advantage if the NCAA changed the rules, and at the same time required the independents to create a scheduling alliance with each other. It would make getting the 5 FBS home games easier.

You'd have about 4 of that set at home, and 4 of that set on the road...an FCS for homecoming, and an away money game...and that's not a bad entry level FBS schedule.

Another thought is that the NCAA allow a grace period for an indy team or indy conference to create future schedules by modifying the present requirement for FBS games. With the indy path, treat it as a transition period, requiring fewer FBS games initially and then gradually adding FBS games in say a 5 year period. For all the unfavorable comments stated by some, in the difficulty for indy scheduling, there could be a progressive scheduling plan to meet the future full requirements that could develop and evolve the program over a short term period.

I like the transition idea. I can't imagine it would be granted any longer period of time than it currently is. That's two years correct? Five years would be a long time. But dang, I'm for any way of getting to FBS.

We're throwing out all sort of scenarios, but if you look at the history of the NCAA, they typically don't act unless they're prodded into doing so. I can't see the NCAA saying sure, come on in you FCS teams. It'll take Liberty pushing them to allow any type of Indy route and I don't see them opening that door for several teams.

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LU will have to take the indy lead.

LU will have to take the initiative to assist in the creation, with the NCAA, of revised guidelines, and requirements to maintain.

Enforcing these guidelines could help save face for the NCAA and their lack of past enforcement

This is our reality. When we agree and accept this as our most valid path, and apply resources and energy towards it's creation and development, we'll be there sooner.

Chris Lang provided his opinion on the subject via tweets:

https://twitter.com/ChrisLangLNA/status/...0893036544

https://twitter.com/ChrisLangLNA/status/...2874690560

Like I suggested earlier, the admin may not even be thinkin Indy.

(08-19-2015 07:01 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Like I suggested earlier, the admin may not even be thinkin Indy.

I'd be very disappointed if that were the case. Maybe they are playing things close to the vest because the threat of litigation could be enough to put the wheels in motion for the NCAA.

(08-19-2015 08:03 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:01 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Like I suggested earlier, the admin may not even be thinkin Indy.

I'd be very disappointed if that were the case. Maybe they are playing things close to the vest because the threat of litigation could be enough to put the wheels in motion for the NCAA.

Respectful to Chris Lang and his Tweets, he would be the last person to know because media coverage of this before it happened would be the last thing LU would want. We could even expect the opposite to be the case.

I would like to know how the CCU LU game got moved to the 19th. Was it the BSC, LU, CCU or ESPN that stated the talks?

(08-19-2015 08:11 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 08:03 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:01 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Like I suggested earlier, the admin may not even be thinkin Indy.

I'd be very disappointed if that were the case. Maybe they are playing things close to the vest because the threat of litigation could be enough to put the wheels in motion for the NCAA.

Respectful to Chris Lang and his Tweets, he would be the last person to know because media coverage of this before it happened would be the last thing LU would want. We could even expect the opposite to be the case.

I would like to know how the CCU LU game got moved to the 19th. Was it the BSC, LU, CCU or ESPN that stated the talks?

I respect Lang too but wouldn't it make sense from Liberty's perspective to try to drum up as much public goodwill to take down the "big bad" NCAA who has the little guys under their thumb? Start the story so they can control the headline, not the other way around.

(08-19-2015 09:34 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 08:11 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 08:03 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:01 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Like I suggested earlier, the admin may not even be thinkin Indy.

I'd be very disappointed if that were the case. Maybe they are playing things close to the vest because the threat of litigation could be enough to put the wheels in motion for the NCAA.

Respectful to Chris Lang and his Tweets, he would be the last person to know because media coverage of this before it happened would be the last thing LU would want. We could even expect the opposite to be the case.

I would like to know how the CCU LU game got moved to the 19th. Was it the BSC, LU, CCU or ESPN that stated the talks?

I respect Lang too but wouldn't it make sense from Liberty's perspective to try to drum up as much public goodwill to take down the "big bad" NCAA who has the little guys under their thumb? Start the story so they can control the headline, not the other way around.

It would be best for Lang and LU for Lang not to know. Lang is a respected beat writer by many. His comments and observations are usually on track. Many more agree with his columns and comments than not. If AD Barber gave him a heads up weeks or months in advance, it could influence Lang's ability to write objectively about the story. If Lang is not included in the inner circle, which I believe it would be best and hope is the case, Lang can continue to monitor the situation as a respected beat writer without knowledge. That is his best role. Not a confidant or person in the know in advance.

For LU to feed Lang inside info, and to ask him to withhold that or use it as LU wishers, or recommend that he use it as it only benefits LU, would compromise his objectivity reporting on LU. That would be the only reason LU would give Lang advanced knowledge. Barber could dangle a carrot towards Lang and say he'll get the scoop and be the first to report the indy action, with LU wanting something (some PR or media mention that would benefit the school) in return. I hope that is not the case.

I do think Lang will know before we will, but just before it's made public. I'm sure he'll get a heads up a day or two, or maybe a few hours before it's made public. As heads on as Chris has been in the past, his off the cuff Tweets are just that, by the way mentions rather than contemplated actions for LU.

I was the one that initiated those tweets with Chris. I had never heard him make a comment on the subject so I wanted to ask him directly.

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(08-20-2015 08:09 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I was the one that initiated those tweets with Chris. I had never heard him make a comment on the subject so I wanted to ask him directly.

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Thanks for the clarification.

(08-20-2015 07:56 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:34 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 08:11 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 08:03 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:01 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Like I suggested earlier, the admin may not even be thinkin Indy.

I'd be very disappointed if that were the case. Maybe they are playing things close to the vest because the threat of litigation could be enough to put the wheels in motion for the NCAA.

Respectful to Chris Lang and his Tweets, he would be the last person to know because media coverage of this before it happened would be the last thing LU would want. We could even expect the opposite to be the case.

I would like to know how the CCU LU game got moved to the 19th. Was it the BSC, LU, CCU or ESPN that stated the talks?

I respect Lang too but wouldn't it make sense from Liberty's perspective to try to drum up as much public goodwill to take down the "big bad" NCAA who has the little guys under their thumb? Start the story so they can control the headline, not the other way around.

It would be best for Lang and LU for Lang not to know. Lang is a respected beat writer by many. His comments and observations are usually on track. Many more agree with his columns and comments than not. If AD Barber gave him a heads up weeks or months in advance, it could influence Lang's ability to write objectively about the story. If Lang is not included in the inner circle, which I believe it would be best and hope is the case, Lang can continue to monitor the situation as a respected beat writer without knowledge. That is his best role. Not a confidant or person in the know in advance.

For LU to feed Lang inside info, and to ask him to withhold that or use it as LU wishers, or recommend that he use it as it only benefits LU, would compromise his objectivity reporting on LU. That would be the only reason LU would give Lang advanced knowledge. Barber could dangle a carrot towards Lang and say he'll get the scoop and be the first to report the indy action, with LU wanting something (some PR or media mention that would benefit the school) in return. I hope that is not the case.

I do think Lang will know before we will, but just before it's made public. I'm sure he'll get a heads up a day or two, or maybe a few hours before it's made public. As heads on as Chris has been in the past, his off the cuff Tweets are just that, by the way mentions rather than contemplated actions for LU.

You really make Lang (or anyone for that matter) having connections sound like a bad thing. I really don't have a problem with Lang being buddies with Liberty; as a beat writer, that's his job right? Report on the sports/school. Wouldn't it be great for him and his career to break the story of the first FCS school to start the process to convince the NCAA to rewrite the rules to allow move ups as FBS independents? And wouldn't it be great if Liberty could both benefit a local beat writer and put the light on Liberty for something good instead of all the bad headlines that people like to shove in their face?

And what credibility would Lang lose? That's not a dig at Lang personally; I find him very credible. But we're talking about a Lynchburg sports columnist who specializes in Liberty sports. I guess you'd have to spell it out for me as to why it would be bad for Chris. It looks like a win-win to me. The only thing I can see is that he votes on the FCS top 25 but I wouldn't think that would be a conflict as every other voter probably has done the same thing or worse.

oh good grief

Indeed, Knucklehead.