(08-17-2015 07:56 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  One debate down, and a week of scrutiny by the press are under our belts now so I thought I'd ask what everyone's favorite ticket would be at the moment. Perhaps later on once candidates have begun to drop out we can add a poll to make it easier to track, but with this many possible combinations I think simply asking will be easier.

At this point I'm obviously still largely undecided, but there are a few appealing tickets in my opinion.

Cruz/Carson
Cruz/Fiorina
and to lesser extent Cruz/Rubio.

I can also see Walker being an appealing VP candidate.

I'm good with all three of those tickets. I especially like Cruz/Carson. That ticket would lose 40 states to Bernie Sanders running with Elizabeth Warren.

(08-17-2015 12:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:56 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  One debate down, and a week of scrutiny by the press are under our belts now so I thought I'd ask what everyone's favorite ticket would be at the moment. Perhaps later on once candidates have begun to drop out we can add a poll to make it easier to track, but with this many possible combinations I think simply asking will be easier.

At this point I'm obviously still largely undecided, but there are a few appealing tickets in my opinion.

Cruz/Carson
Cruz/Fiorina
and to lesser extent Cruz/Rubio.

I can also see Walker being an appealing VP candidate.

I'm good with all three of those tickets. I especially like Cruz/Carson. That ticket would lose 40 states to Bernie Sanders running with Elizabeth Warren.

(08-17-2015 12:17 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:56 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  One debate down, and a week of scrutiny by the press are under our belts now so I thought I'd ask what everyone's favorite ticket would be at the moment. Perhaps later on once candidates have begun to drop out we can add a poll to make it easier to track, but with this many possible combinations I think simply asking will be easier.

At this point I'm obviously still largely undecided, but there are a few appealing tickets in my opinion.

Cruz/Carson
Cruz/Fiorina
and to lesser extent Cruz/Rubio.

I can also see Walker being an appealing VP candidate.

I'm good with all three of those tickets. I especially like Cruz/Carson. That ticket would lose 40 states to Bernie Sanders running with Elizabeth Warren.

I guess some things will never change, like Lazy Tom's lunacy.

It appears he doesn't like Hispanics or black Conservatives.

This is just further proof that race isn't really our divider. Politics are.

(08-17-2015 10:28 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:11 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  Jeb Bush/Rob Portman

A very successful former governor of Florida and a Senator from Ohio.

That is a ticket I would not vote for.

I don't think I could vote for a ticket with Trump, Fiorina, Cruz, Paul or Carson at the top of the ticket. Rubio's inexperience would concern me as well. I wouldn't vote for any ticket with Trump as VP either. We need adults in those positions, not reality TV show participants.

I wouldn't vote for the Democrat. I haven't voted for one in a contested race in nearly 25 years, but I couldn't vote for those first 5 unless just maybe Sanders was on the other side (my nightmare race would be Trump vs. Sanders). 4 years of Sanders would do far more long term damage to this country than 8 years of Obama.

Wow, just WOW. I see VERY little difference between Jeb and your typical liberal. I seriously think you need to do some research if you think he's a conservative. It's apparent that you've been duped into thinking that he is.

Sounds like you are part of the reason we have Obama. Jeb is a mainline moderately conservative Republican.

Name a liberal position he has.

(08-17-2015 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 10:28 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:11 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  Jeb Bush/Rob Portman

A very successful former governor of Florida and a Senator from Ohio.

That is a ticket I would not vote for.

I don't think I could vote for a ticket with Trump, Fiorina, Cruz, Paul or Carson at the top of the ticket. Rubio's inexperience would concern me as well. I wouldn't vote for any ticket with Trump as VP either. We need adults in those positions, not reality TV show participants.

I wouldn't vote for the Democrat. I haven't voted for one in a contested race in nearly 25 years, but I couldn't vote for those first 5 unless just maybe Sanders was on the other side (my nightmare race would be Trump vs. Sanders). 4 years of Sanders would do far more long term damage to this country than 8 years of Obama.

Wow, just WOW. I see VERY little difference between Jeb and your typical liberal. I seriously think you need to do some research if you think he's a conservative. It's apparent that you've been duped into thinking that he is.

Sounds like you are part of the reason we have Obama. Jeb is a mainline moderately conservative Republican.

lulz.... That's your problem in a nutshell right there. You're one of the folks that think mainline Republicans are conservative.

FWIW, I voted for Bush, McCain and Romney in the past 3 general elections. All 3 were weak conservatives but they're the lesser of 2 evils and nothing more. We'd do ourselves a lot of favors by putting up REAL conservatives going forward.

(08-17-2015 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Name a liberal position he has.

- Bush signed into law a $100 million fund for green energy.

- modified state tax policy to subsidize new companies in Florida.

- In 2005, Bush spent $400 million on a new statewide pre-kindergarten program.

- Under Bush, Florida’s debt increased from $16.8 billion to $24.1 billion.

- he oversaw an annual average increase of 5 percent in government spending, leading the nation as one of the biggest spending governors.

- Bush opposed conservative’s effort to defund Obamacare.

- Bush increased public safety pension benefits by $50 million, to pay off the unions for their support of his candidacies. (Press Journal, 3/8/99).

- Bush consistently pursued billions in federal funding to pay for environmental projects (Everglades restoration) that were Florida specific priorities.

- Bush backed a $10.5 billion project using both federal and state taxpayer dollars for land purchases, forcing private property owners out of their homes. (Florida Times Union)

- Bush has opposed and blocked offshore drilling in Florida. (Spokesman Review)

- Bush signed into law a $100 million fund for green energy subsidies. (Renewable Energy World)

- Radical environmentalist billionaire Tom Steyer praised Bush’s April 2015 comments calling for a global effort to combat climate change. (Tampa Bay Times)

- Bush backs in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. (YouTube)

- Bush opposed President Obama’s 2014 executive action on immigration on the grounds that it undermined attempts to push amnesty through Congress. (Fox News)

- In an October 2012 testimony before the House Budget Committee, Bush endorsed the AIG bailout. (CNN)

- Bush supported the Wall Street bailout known as TARP. (Esquire)

- Bush supported federal energy mandates including the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) and ethanol subsidies, and reiterated his support for maintaining the RFS. (Yahoo)

They're all sourced starting here. He's one of the more left leaning Republican in the race.
https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-...#article-2

(08-17-2015 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Sounds like you are part of the reason we have Obama. Jeb is a mainline moderately conservative Republican.

Name a liberal position he has.

I'm a big fan of the last two Bush's, but I can't get onboard with Jeb, as much as I'd like to.

Common Core and Amnesty... then he goes on to say schit like this and it is clear where Jeb! stands on the political continuum:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...tta-lynch/

(08-17-2015 01:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Sounds like you are part of the reason we have Obama. Jeb is a mainline moderately conservative Republican.

Name a liberal position he has.

I'm a big fan of the last two Bush's, but I can't get onboard with Jeb, as much as I'd like to.

He's the smartest of the 3.

(08-17-2015 01:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 10:28 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:11 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  That is a ticket I would not vote for.

I don't think I could vote for a ticket with Trump, Fiorina, Cruz, Paul or Carson at the top of the ticket. Rubio's inexperience would concern me as well. I wouldn't vote for any ticket with Trump as VP either. We need adults in those positions, not reality TV show participants.

I wouldn't vote for the Democrat. I haven't voted for one in a contested race in nearly 25 years, but I couldn't vote for those first 5 unless just maybe Sanders was on the other side (my nightmare race would be Trump vs. Sanders). 4 years of Sanders would do far more long term damage to this country than 8 years of Obama.

Wow, just WOW. I see VERY little difference between Jeb and your typical liberal. I seriously think you need to do some research if you think he's a conservative. It's apparent that you've been duped into thinking that he is.

Sounds like you are part of the reason we have Obama. Jeb is a mainline moderately conservative Republican.

lulz.... That's your problem in a nutshell right there. You're one of the folks that think mainline Republicans are conservative.

FWIW, I voted for Bush, McCain and Romney in the past 3 general elections. All 3 were weak conservatives but they're the lesser of 2 evils and nothing more. We'd do ourselves a lot of favors by putting up REAL conservatives going forward.

(08-17-2015 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Name a liberal position he has.

- Bush signed into law a $100 million fund for green energy.

- modified state tax policy to subsidize new companies in Florida.

Every governor has incentives for companies

- In 2005, Bush spent $400 million on a new statewide pre-kindergarten program.

Education is not liberal/conservative much as people like to make it.

- Under Bush, Florida’s debt increased from $16.8 billion to $24.1 billion.

- he oversaw an annual average increase of 5 percent in government spending, leading the nation as one of the biggest spending governors.
Can't tell you where he spent it which would be more informative. But Florida was one of the fastest growing states at that time.

- Bush opposed conservative’s effort to defund Obamacare.
Total waste of time. It can't be killed until Obama is out of office.

- Bush increased public safety pension benefits by $50 million, to pay off the unions for their support of his candidacies. (Press Journal, 3/8/99).

- Bush consistently pursued billions in federal funding to pay for environmental projects (Everglades restoration) that were Florida specific priorities.
The Everglades is critical to Florida in many ways.

- Bush backed a $10.5 billion project using both federal and state taxpayer dollars for land purchases, forcing private property owners out of their homes. (Florida Times Union)
Building roads? Buying out people in flood prone areas? This one sounds like nonsense.[/i]

- Bush has opposed and blocked offshore drilling in Florida. (Spokesman Review)
Where did he oppose it? All of Florida or only parts? The Keys are unique and a spill would destroy them forever. For other places, opposition would be because tourism is more important than oil. Florida has a different perspective on offshore than New Jersey or California. Its economics.

- Bush signed into law a $100 million fund for green energy subsidies. (Renewable Energy World)
State job incentives? Don't know the detail from this.

- Radical environmentalist billionaire Tom Steyer praised Bush’s April 2015 comments calling for a global effort to combat climate change. (Tampa Bay Times)
Ridiculous comment. You haven't been paying attention to the campaign and what he has said. He is absolutely not a member of the anti-oil climate change religion like most Democratic politicans.

- Bush backs in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. (YouTube)
So does Texas

- Bush opposed President Obama’s 2014 executive action on immigration on the grounds that it undermined attempts to push amnesty through Congress. (Fox News)
Bush supports common sense immigration reform that benefits American citizens, not the Democratic efforts to support reform that hurts citizens and benefits foreign countries and knee jerk emotional plans like Trump's that would wreck the economy and hurt American citizens.

- In an October 2012 testimony before the House Budget Committee, Bush endorsed the AIG bailout. (CNN)

- Bush supported the Wall Street bailout known as TARP. (Esquire)
So did W.

- Bush supported federal energy mandates including the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) and ethanol subsidies, and reiterated his support for maintaining the RFS. (Yahoo)


They're all sourced starting here. He's one of the more left leaning Republican in the race.
There are a lot of candidates far to the right of most Republicans. There are usually not any candidates so extreme in the Republican primaries. There are a lot I can't support. And I haven't voted for a Democrat in a contested election in about a quarter century. Its been over 30 years since I voted for a Democrat in a contested non-judicial election. I've always voted for Republicans for president and I think I've voted for a Republican for governor or senator in every election I was eligible to vote.[/i]


https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-...#article-2

[i]Good, you're paying attention. I thought you were going to spout off about common core and immigration, but I don't agree that these indicate he is liberal.[i]

(08-17-2015 01:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 10:28 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:11 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  That is a ticket I would not vote for.

I don't think I could vote for a ticket with Trump, Fiorina, Cruz, Paul or Carson at the top of the ticket. Rubio's inexperience would concern me as well. I wouldn't vote for any ticket with Trump as VP either. We need adults in those positions, not reality TV show participants.

I wouldn't vote for the Democrat. I haven't voted for one in a contested race in nearly 25 years, but I couldn't vote for those first 5 unless just maybe Sanders was on the other side (my nightmare race would be Trump vs. Sanders). 4 years of Sanders would do far more long term damage to this country than 8 years of Obama.

Wow, just WOW. I see VERY little difference between Jeb and your typical liberal. I seriously think you need to do some research if you think he's a conservative. It's apparent that you've been duped into thinking that he is.

Sounds like you are part of the reason we have Obama. Jeb is a mainline moderately conservative Republican.

lulz.... That's your problem in a nutshell right there. You're one of the folks that think mainline Republicans are conservative.

FWIW, I voted for Bush, McCain and Romney in the past 3 general elections. All 3 were weak conservatives but they're the lesser of 2 evils and nothing more. We'd do ourselves a lot of favors by putting up REAL conservatives going forward.

(08-17-2015 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Name a liberal position he has.

- Bush signed into law a $100 million fund for green energy.

- modified state tax policy to subsidize new companies in Florida.

- In 2005, Bush spent $400 million on a new statewide pre-kindergarten program.

- Under Bush, Florida’s debt increased from $16.8 billion to $24.1 billion.

- he oversaw an annual average increase of 5 percent in government spending, leading the nation as one of the biggest spending governors.

- Bush opposed conservative’s effort to defund Obamacare.

- Bush increased public safety pension benefits by $50 million, to pay off the unions for their support of his candidacies. (Press Journal, 3/8/99).

- Bush consistently pursued billions in federal funding to pay for environmental projects (Everglades restoration) that were Florida specific priorities.

- Bush backed a $10.5 billion project using both federal and state taxpayer dollars for land purchases, forcing private property owners out of their homes. (Florida Times Union)

- Bush has opposed and blocked offshore drilling in Florida. (Spokesman Review)

- Bush signed into law a $100 million fund for green energy subsidies. (Renewable Energy World)

- Radical environmentalist billionaire Tom Steyer praised Bush’s April 2015 comments calling for a global effort to combat climate change. (Tampa Bay Times)

- Bush backs in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. (YouTube)

- Bush opposed President Obama’s 2014 executive action on immigration on the grounds that it undermined attempts to push amnesty through Congress. (Fox News)

- In an October 2012 testimony before the House Budget Committee, Bush endorsed the AIG bailout. (CNN)

- Bush supported the Wall Street bailout known as TARP. (Esquire)

- Bush supported federal energy mandates including the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) and ethanol subsidies, and reiterated his support for maintaining the RFS. (Yahoo)

They're all sourced starting here. He's one of the more left leaning Republican in the race.
https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-...#article-2

With all these reds on all these Republicans, sounds like this is an extraordinarily extreme website.

So, basically your retorts consist of .... "well, so did this other so-called conservative" or "we do that in Texas".

Nice, real nice. I guess that makes it all OK since big brother did it too.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/je...15846.html
"Anit-drilling crusader"

Quote:Bush’s opposition to oil and gas drilling in his backyard was outspoken and adamant — at least until he started making compromises with federal lawmakers late in his term. That makes him something of an outlier in a party that has grown increasingly vocal about drilling on public lands since he left office in 2007, and it offers yet another potential wedge for rivals who want to challenge his conservative credentials, alongside his championing of the Common Core education standards and his description of illegal immigration as an “an act of love.”

(08-17-2015 01:22 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Common Core and Amnesty... then he goes on to say schit like this and it is clear where Jeb! stands on the political continuum:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...tta-lynch/

Being obstructionist and accomplishing nothing just proves you are stupid and stubborn, not conservative. And denying presidents their choices for positions is something that has been championed by liberals and is decidedly not conservative.

(08-17-2015 01:41 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Sounds like you are part of the reason we have Obama. Jeb is a mainline moderately conservative Republican.

Name a liberal position he has.

I'm a big fan of the last two Bush's, but I can't get onboard with Jeb, as much as I'd like to.

He's the smartest of the 3.

I don't know who's the smartest, but the other two were farther right. I think Jeb is too, but he's trying to burst in and gain approval from both sides. Plus, the Black Lies Matter group who disrupted the democrats (because they knew the dems would bow to them) have also disrupted Jeb's speech to find out what he's going to do for them.

(08-17-2015 01:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:22 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Common Core and Amnesty... then he goes on to say schit like this and it is clear where Jeb! stands on the political continuum:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...tta-lynch/

Being obstructionist and accomplishing nothing just proves you are stupid and stubborn, not conservative. And denying presidents their choices for positions is something that has been championed by liberals and is decidedly not conservative.

Wrong. It's supposed to be tough to pass things into law. At times, being "obstructionist" is a conservatives duty IMO.

Compromise is for the weak... or for crooks who do it for pet projects.

(08-17-2015 01:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:22 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Common Core and Amnesty... then he goes on to say schit like this and it is clear where Jeb! stands on the political continuum:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...tta-lynch/

Being obstructionist and accomplishing nothing just proves you are stupid and stubborn, not conservative. And denying presidents their choices for positions is something that has been championed by liberals and is decidedly not conservative.

Doing what you are elected to do is not being obstructionist. Checking the executive branck is congress's job. Our constitution was not written for it to be easy to make or change the law.

(08-17-2015 01:52 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  So, basically your retorts consist of .... "well, so did this other so-called conservative" or "we do that in Texas".

Nice, real nice. I guess that makes it all OK since big brother did it too.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/je...15846.html
"Anit-drilling crusader"

Quote:Bush’s opposition to oil and gas drilling in his backyard was outspoken and adamant — at least until he started making compromises with federal lawmakers late in his term. That makes him something of an outlier in a party that has grown increasingly vocal about drilling on public lands since he left office in 2007, and it offers yet another potential wedge for rivals who want to challenge his conservative credentials, alongside his championing of the Common Core education standards and his description of illegal immigration as an “an act of love.”

Supporting job creation is conservative.

Rick Perry supported giving illegals in-state tuition.

Common core was designed by a mostly Republican group of governors. I've heard and read dozens of people who opposed Common Core and I can only think of two who didn't make themselves look like imbeciles because they didn't understand what it was. Its amazing how many people will go and make fools of themselves in public. Its amazing how many office holders will do the same thing on this issue. The state representative leading the opposition in Georgia didn't have a clue what Common Core was and wasn't.

(08-17-2015 01:58 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:22 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Common Core and Amnesty... then he goes on to say schit like this and it is clear where Jeb! stands on the political continuum:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...tta-lynch/

Being obstructionist and accomplishing nothing just proves you are stupid and stubborn, not conservative. And denying presidents their choices for positions is something that has been championed by liberals and is decidedly not conservative.

Doing what you are elected to do is not being obstructionist. Checking the executive branck is congress's job. Our constitution was not written for it to be easy to make or change the law.

They are elected to vote, not to stop votes. What they were doing had nothing to do with changing the law. Obama had already illegally changed it. They were doing stupid grandstanding. They should have taken him to court not played games with his attorney general.

(08-17-2015 01:57 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:22 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Common Core and Amnesty... then he goes on to say schit like this and it is clear where Jeb! stands on the political continuum:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...tta-lynch/

Being obstructionist and accomplishing nothing just proves you are stupid and stubborn, not conservative. And denying presidents their choices for positions is something that has been championed by liberals and is decidedly not conservative.

Wrong. It's supposed to be tough to pass things into law. At times, being "obstructionist" is a conservatives duty IMO.

Compromise is for the weak... or for crooks who do it for pet projects.

DUH! They weren't stopping any changes in law! Obama just did it. What they were doing had no impact.

Compromise is essential to get things done. You just have limits. Lack of compromise is for small minded, ineffective people like Cruz or for people with extreme principals like Paul. I don't like Paul, but I respect him. Cruz is just a milder version of Trump.

(08-17-2015 02:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:57 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:22 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Common Core and Amnesty... then he goes on to say schit like this and it is clear where Jeb! stands on the political continuum:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...tta-lynch/

Being obstructionist and accomplishing nothing just proves you are stupid and stubborn, not conservative. And denying presidents their choices for positions is something that has been championed by liberals and is decidedly not conservative.

Wrong. It's supposed to be tough to pass things into law. At times, being "obstructionist" is a conservatives duty IMO.

Compromise is for the weak... or for crooks who do it for pet projects.

DUH! They weren't stopping any changes in law! Obama just did it. What they were doing had no impact.

Compromise is essential to get things done. You just have limits. Lack of compromise is for small minded, ineffective people like Cruz or for people with extreme principals like Paul. I don't like Paul, but I respect him. Cruz is just a milder version of Trump.

The republican leadership didn't compromise, they gave Obama EVERYTHING he wanted. There has been NO difference in the direction of this nation since the republicans too the House and then the Senate. Sorry, but I believe Jeb! fits the same mold as these "leaders".

Edit: I take that back. They gave Obama everything he wanted but blocked the DC marijuana law. Such spine. So glad that was Boehner's top priority that he wouldn't waiver on. He must have assisted Kerry negotiating the Iran deal.

(08-17-2015 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 01:52 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  So, basically your retorts consist of .... "well, so did this other so-called conservative" or "we do that in Texas".

Nice, real nice. I guess that makes it all OK since big brother did it too.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/je...15846.html
"Anit-drilling crusader"

Quote:Bush’s opposition to oil and gas drilling in his backyard was outspoken and adamant — at least until he started making compromises with federal lawmakers late in his term. That makes him something of an outlier in a party that has grown increasingly vocal about drilling on public lands since he left office in 2007, and it offers yet another potential wedge for rivals who want to challenge his conservative credentials, alongside his championing of the Common Core education standards and his description of illegal immigration as an “an act of love.”

Supporting job creation is conservative.

Rick Perry supported giving illegals in-state tuition.

Common core was designed by a mostly Republican group of governors. I've heard and read dozens of people who opposed Common Core and I can only think of two who didn't make themselves look like imbeciles because they didn't understand what it was. Its amazing how many people will go and make fools of themselves in public. Its amazing how many office holders will do the same thing on this issue. The state representative leading the opposition in Georgia didn't have a clue what Common Core was and wasn't.

Who gives a flying **** what Rick Perry did? What does that have to do with anything?
on your supporting common core.