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(08-24-2015 02:48 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 08:36 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I would ask those that thing this is much ado about nothing to first watch The Hunting Ground -- really watch it -- before being so dismissive about the ODU signs. As the father of two daughters who went to Kempsville then Va Tech and only now tell stories of the sexual innuendo, unwanted frottage, etc., that occurred, the film hits home with me. The signs tell women that as far as these guys are concerned they are pieces of meat to be used as the men see fit.

Anyway, watch the movie then see if your opinion isn't a bit different. Once these guys are found out they should be publicly expelled from the university. The message would clearly be sent: We don't tolerate this behavior at a place where all are here to learn in a safe, welcoming environment.

We've got a few women on this board. What say you?

College hijinks! All those who live their lives just waiting to be offended are. The rest of us laugh, shake our heads and move on.

You apparently are made of sterner stuff than most, dm -- me included.

What those dolts did, in my overly sensitive opinion, went well beyond mere college hijinks. It was a threatening comment aimed directly at a vulnerable set of students.

(08-24-2015 12:51 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  Just for the record it should be noted that the signs were put up on Friday and Broderick's official response came after the pictures had gone out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, HuffPo, Fox and all 3 local news stations. You can check the comments (and date/times) for yourself but the story was clearly blowing up before he issued the formal response. To suggest the story would have been "less" had he not responded ignores what was happening all across media before he did anything. BTW, that written response came after the people involved were asked by the university take down the signs and they did. Even that step was a little problematic as contrary to what some have posted the house was NOT part of a Fraternity and in fact is not owned by the school. In today's world I think had he not issued a response it would have been far, far worse and would have continued to go viral. It should also be noted that in his "State of the University" speech last week he had emphasized the importance of a safe environment of inclusion and civil discourse at the university. So you could have added in a charge of hypocrisy if he had done nothing. Tough to thread this needle (as this thread shows) but I, for one, think he handled it well.

What part of these signs are unsafe, not inclusive, or halt civil discourse?

Also, the signs were hung from a home, owned by an individual, and rented by individuals, just off campus. Some folks have hit the nail on the head, with questions about the reaction to this as opposed to neighboring communities. Why is there not outrage expressed when someone is ACTUALLY assaulted a few blocks in the other direction. It is absurd. These loud voices don't want to fix anything, they just want to *****. If they really wanted to fix something they would direct their outrage and social media protests at situations where women, or anyone for that matter, are actually assaulted, actually harmed. Where was the outrage when a few of our football players were ACTUALLY charged with rape? When one of our basketball players ACTUALLY beat up another student, among other things. Where is the outrage for the insane crime statistics in Park Place?

Do I think Broderick did the wrong thing? Unfortunately, I do not. That is the corner that institutions and businesses have been backed into by this social media cause of the moment, and he had no choice but to say the "right" things. The individuals who are feigning outrage however, would be well advised to find a cause that involves actual victims, rather than getting all hot and bothered about a mom joke hanging on a bed sheet.

(08-24-2015 02:51 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:48 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 08:36 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I would ask those that thing this is much ado about nothing to first watch The Hunting Ground -- really watch it -- before being so dismissive about the ODU signs. As the father of two daughters who went to Kempsville then Va Tech and only now tell stories of the sexual innuendo, unwanted frottage, etc., that occurred, the film hits home with me. The signs tell women that as far as these guys are concerned they are pieces of meat to be used as the men see fit.

Anyway, watch the movie then see if your opinion isn't a bit different. Once these guys are found out they should be publicly expelled from the university. The message would clearly be sent: We don't tolerate this behavior at a place where all are here to learn in a safe, welcoming environment.

We've got a few women on this board. What say you?

College hijinks! All those who live their lives just waiting to be offended are. The rest of us laugh, shake our heads and move on.

You apparently are made of sterner stuff than most, dm -- me included.

What those dolts did, in my overly sensitive opinion, went well beyond mere college hijinks. It was a threatening comment aimed directly at a vulnerable set of students.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

(08-24-2015 02:51 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:48 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 08:36 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I would ask those that thing this is much ado about nothing to first watch The Hunting Ground -- really watch it -- before being so dismissive about the ODU signs. As the father of two daughters who went to Kempsville then Va Tech and only now tell stories of the sexual innuendo, unwanted frottage, etc., that occurred, the film hits home with me. The signs tell women that as far as these guys are concerned they are pieces of meat to be used as the men see fit.

Anyway, watch the movie then see if your opinion isn't a bit different. Once these guys are found out they should be publicly expelled from the university. The message would clearly be sent: We don't tolerate this behavior at a place where all are here to learn in a safe, welcoming environment.

We've got a few women on this board. What say you?

College hijinks! All those who live their lives just waiting to be offended are. The rest of us laugh, shake our heads and move on.

You apparently are made of sterner stuff than most, dm -- me included.

What those dolts did, in my overly sensitive opinion, went well beyond mere college hijinks. It was a threatening comment aimed directly at a vulnerable set of students.

Threat? Sounded more like an invitation to me.

Anything that could be deemed threatening and puts ODU in a bad light across the globe might need to be addressed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...girls.html

American society is dominated by p*ssies these days. While I don't condone the signs, it was clearly a joke. It's bad when it's worse to be labelled as sexist, racist, homophobic, etc. rather than actually BEING a criminal...because actual criminals are just "victims" these days.

I'm embarrassed for some of you.

I'm glad I'm not alone and sanity is emerging here.

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(08-24-2015 03:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:51 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:48 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 08:36 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I would ask those that thing this is much ado about nothing to first watch The Hunting Ground -- really watch it -- before being so dismissive about the ODU signs. As the father of two daughters who went to Kempsville then Va Tech and only now tell stories of the sexual innuendo, unwanted frottage, etc., that occurred, the film hits home with me. The signs tell women that as far as these guys are concerned they are pieces of meat to be used as the men see fit.

Anyway, watch the movie then see if your opinion isn't a bit different. Once these guys are found out they should be publicly expelled from the university. The message would clearly be sent: We don't tolerate this behavior at a place where all are here to learn in a safe, welcoming environment.

We've got a few women on this board. What say you?

College hijinks! All those who live their lives just waiting to be offended are. The rest of us laugh, shake our heads and move on.

You apparently are made of sterner stuff than most, dm -- me included.

What those dolts did, in my overly sensitive opinion, went well beyond mere college hijinks. It was a threatening comment aimed directly at a vulnerable set of students.

Threat? Sounded more like an invitation to me.

Much like the "invitation" of the wolf dressed as grandma in "The Little Red Riding Hood" tale.

The comments on those disgusting rags were an "invitation" only if taken absolutely literally, in a true Clintonesque approach to parsing language beyond its plain meaning.

Most of us, at some point in our lives, have been on both sides of the bullying equation. I know I have. It is just human nature. In my personal opinion, the students who hung those posters were acting as bullies to another set of students (and their parents) who couldn't answer back, and thought that they could hide behind the excuse that it was only just college humor.

I don't accept that, and I wonder how big and brave they presently are now that their "invitation" has exploded on social media.

I guess the more that I post on this topic, the less ambivalent I feel about it -- and am gradually coming around to the conclusion that perhaps these idiots deserve every bit of the public mistreatment that they are now getting.

(08-24-2015 03:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 03:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:51 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:48 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 08:36 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I would ask those that thing this is much ado about nothing to first watch The Hunting Ground -- really watch it -- before being so dismissive about the ODU signs. As the father of two daughters who went to Kempsville then Va Tech and only now tell stories of the sexual innuendo, unwanted frottage, etc., that occurred, the film hits home with me. The signs tell women that as far as these guys are concerned they are pieces of meat to be used as the men see fit.

Anyway, watch the movie then see if your opinion isn't a bit different. Once these guys are found out they should be publicly expelled from the university. The message would clearly be sent: We don't tolerate this behavior at a place where all are here to learn in a safe, welcoming environment.

We've got a few women on this board. What say you?

College hijinks! All those who live their lives just waiting to be offended are. The rest of us laugh, shake our heads and move on.

You apparently are made of sterner stuff than most, dm -- me included.

What those dolts did, in my overly sensitive opinion, went well beyond mere college hijinks. It was a threatening comment aimed directly at a vulnerable set of students.

Threat? Sounded more like an invitation to me.

Much like the "invitation" of the wolf dressed as grandma in "The Little Red Riding Hood" tale.

The comments on those disgusting rags were an "invitation" only if taken absolutely literally, in a true Clintonesque approach to parsing language beyond its plain meaning.

Most of us, at some point in our lives, have been on both sides of the bullying equation. I know I have. It is just human nature. In my personal opinion, the students who hung those posters were acting as bullies to another set of students (and their parents) who couldn't answer back, and thought that they could hide behind the excuse that it was only just college humor.

I don't accept that, and I wonder how big and brave they presently are now that their "invitation" has exploded on social media.

I guess the more that I post on this topic, the less ambivalent I feel about it -- and am gradually coming around to the conclusion that perhaps these idiots deserve every bit of the public mistreatment that they are now getting.

Of course, let's not gently point out the error of their ways and educate them as to their insensitivity. Let's frickin' crucify 'em !!

We're all colored by our experiences. I happen to work somewhere where rapes and assaults have happened at a far higher rate than anyone would think. It's become a huge topic here, so I'm more sensitive about it. No apologies, just my reason for feeling how I do. There's no room for it on any college campus.

Again, educate yourself: Watch The Hunting Ground.

They weren't being bullies, they weren't being rapists, they weren't condoning or encouraging rape or sexual assault.

They were being idiots. They were being tasteless. They were being selfish. I'd go as far as saying they were being sexist, but it's sad that their actions are being trumped up to anything more than that. None of those things mean that they should be expelled or hung out to dry.

If we (students, administration, the media, alumni) were to put as much effort in to dealing with actual instances of rape and sexual assault on campus (among other crimes) as we were to talking about this event, then ODU would be a much finer place. Dealing with crimes like those requires much more nuance and thought than plastering pictures of stupid comments all over the internet as we sit and smell our own farts. I sometimes think that looking like you care is more important to most people than actually solving problems. There are sexual assault victims on campus who nobody here gives two ***** about, they don't make the news, yet some bed sheets with paint on them has everyone up in arms. It's disgusting.

You do realize that these signs didn't rape anyone, right? These are words; and while words do have power, they only have as much power as the individual "victims" give to them. Conversely, actual rape or assault have universal and substantial power over their victims by the very definition of the actions themselves.

(08-24-2015 03:33 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 03:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 03:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:51 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:48 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  College hijinks! All those who live their lives just waiting to be offended are. The rest of us laugh, shake our heads and move on.

You apparently are made of sterner stuff than most, dm -- me included.

What those dolts did, in my overly sensitive opinion, went well beyond mere college hijinks. It was a threatening comment aimed directly at a vulnerable set of students.

Threat? Sounded more like an invitation to me.

Much like the "invitation" of the wolf dressed as grandma in "The Little Red Riding Hood" tale.

The comments on those disgusting rags were an "invitation" only if taken absolutely literally, in a true Clintonesque approach to parsing language beyond its plain meaning.

Most of us, at some point in our lives, have been on both sides of the bullying equation. I know I have. It is just human nature. In my personal opinion, the students who hung those posters were acting as bullies to another set of students (and their parents) who couldn't answer back, and thought that they could hide behind the excuse that it was only just college humor.

I don't accept that, and I wonder how big and brave they presently are now that their "invitation" has exploded on social media.

I guess the more that I post on this topic, the less ambivalent I feel about it -- and am gradually coming around to the conclusion that perhaps these idiots deserve every bit of the public mistreatment that they are now getting.

Of course, let's not gently point out the error of their ways and educate them as to their insensitivity. Let's frickin' crucify 'em !!

It is ironic that some who claim that this prank is being labeled as akin to rape would blanch at a bit of deserved internet ridicule being leveled at these kids and call it a crucifixion, and a "witch hunt."

(08-24-2015 03:33 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Of course, let's not gently point out the error of their ways and educate them as to their insensitivity. Let's frickin' crucify 'em !!

Yeah, some lessons are best delivered gently.

But, in my limited experience, bullies do not typically respond to the gentle approach.

I am now far beyond my qualifications for offering opinions on the subject, and will bring it to a halt. Hopefully the ODU administration will do what is right and fair in this circumstance.

Being intentionally offensive in an attempt at humor doesn't automatically make these kids bullies. If their intent was to elicit fear or to intimidate then they'd be bullies, but I don't see anything that automatically leads me to believe that they intended these signs to be anything other than (failed) humor. I think the word "bully" gets used too frequently these days.

ODU is a business and these students hurt the image of that business. You could dismiss this as a tasteless joke all day, but this act has caused quite a bit of damage to ODU's reputation.

(08-24-2015 03:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 03:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:51 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:48 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 08:36 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I would ask those that thing this is much ado about nothing to first watch The Hunting Ground -- really watch it -- before being so dismissive about the ODU signs. As the father of two daughters who went to Kempsville then Va Tech and only now tell stories of the sexual innuendo, unwanted frottage, etc., that occurred, the film hits home with me. The signs tell women that as far as these guys are concerned they are pieces of meat to be used as the men see fit.

Anyway, watch the movie then see if your opinion isn't a bit different. Once these guys are found out they should be publicly expelled from the university. The message would clearly be sent: We don't tolerate this behavior at a place where all are here to learn in a safe, welcoming environment.

We've got a few women on this board. What say you?

College hijinks! All those who live their lives just waiting to be offended are. The rest of us laugh, shake our heads and move on.

You apparently are made of sterner stuff than most, dm -- me included.

What those dolts did, in my overly sensitive opinion, went well beyond mere college hijinks. It was a threatening comment aimed directly at a vulnerable set of students.

Threat? Sounded more like an invitation to me.

Much like the "invitation" of the wolf dressed as grandma in "The Little Red Riding Hood" tale.

The comments on those disgusting rags were an "invitation" only if taken absolutely literally, in a true Clintonesque approach to parsing language beyond its plain meaning.

Most of us, at some point in our lives, have been on both sides of the bullying equation. I know I have. It is just human nature. In my personal opinion, the students who hung those posters were acting as bullies to another set of students (and their parents) who couldn't answer back, and thought that they could hide behind the excuse that it was only just college humor.

I don't accept that, and I wonder how big and brave they presently are now that their "invitation" has exploded on social media.

I guess the more that I post on this topic, the less ambivalent I feel about it -- and am gradually coming around to the conclusion that perhaps these idiots deserve every bit of the public mistreatment that they are now getting.

What? You actually believe that they are planning committing an heinous crime and decided to advertise for it? Really?

(08-24-2015 03:17 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm glad I'm not alone and sanity is emerging here.

The permanently offended never rest and they killed sanity many year ago.

(08-24-2015 03:41 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  We're all colored by our experiences. I happen to work somewhere where rapes and assaults have happened at a far higher rate than anyone would think. It's become a huge topic here, so I'm more sensitive about it. No apologies, just my reason for feeling how I do. There's no room for it on any college campus.

Again, educate yourself: Watch The Hunting Ground.

The Hunting Ground has been exposed as about 30% true. That is 30% too much, but educating one's self should not mean "watch this piece of one sided propaganda and then agree with me, please."

Don't think I saw this posted in here, but Sigma Nu suspended the ODU chapter pending an investigation.

It's not the frat house, but 4 members of the frat live there.