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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 12:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:05 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Good for her. She'll pay for it, but it's refreshing to see people putting up a fight. We need much more of that.

So, we get to pick and choose which laws we follow...which SCOTUS decisions we need to honor?

I don't recall you being too concerned with San Francisco picking and choosing which federal laws they followed.

Did I comment on or endorse SF policy at all?

And, If I don't post an objection here to everything I disagree with, that means I support it?

Just trying to find out what standard you're trying to institute here.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 11:45 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:09 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 09:46 AM)Hitch Wrote:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-...rt-ruling/

Quote:Citing “God’s authority,” Kim Davis, the elected clerk of Kentucky’s Rowan County, refused to issue marriage licenses to several same-sex couples Tuesday — just hours after the Supreme Court ruled against her request to be excused from issuing such licenses.

Just fire her for insubordination and move on.

I don't think anyone can fire a Clerk of Courts, they are elected.

I would think there would be a procedure to remove them from office if they weren't doing their duty.

The only loons are the ones wanting to throw her in jail. Tells a lot about the state of mind of progressives in this country. The left has become very totalitarian.

She's an elected official, and therefore cannot simply be fired and must be removed through a process of impeachment. Furthermore, any person who defies a court order subjects themselves to arrest, and the judge has made that very, very clear in his past rulings. Stop with the useless partisan rhetoric here, it has nothing to do with the 'mind of progressives' and everything to do with the rule of law. If she goes to jail, it will be of her own volition entirely, and not because of some nonsensical claim of 'totalitarianism'.

And let me remind every single person here that she had absolutely no problem issuing licenses to literally every single couple who genders she approved of, regardless of their following her religious beliefs in regards to marriage. She never questioned anyone about having open marriages, whether they were religious, whether they were sexually active before marriage, or any of the other dozens of issues that biblically are just as important as the gender of those getting married. She's simply a bigot using her religion as a shield to discriminate against those whose lifestyle she disagrees with.

Its useful to point out the hypocrisy of the left who claims to want freedom but jumps on the chance to throw any right winger in jail (and I bet nearly every one of those supports lesser jail sentences for things like drug crimes).

Let me remind you that marriage between opposite sexes is something that wouldn't have gotten 2 votes on the Supreme Court a quarter century ago and probably not 1. There is a huge difference.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 12:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:05 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Good for her. She'll pay for it, but it's refreshing to see people putting up a fight. We need much more of that.

So, we get to pick and choose which laws we follow...which SCOTUS decisions we need to honor?

I don't recall you being too concerned with San Francisco picking and choosing which federal laws they followed.

Did I comment on or endorse SF policy at all?

And, If I don't post an objection here to everything I disagree with, that means I support it?

Just trying to find out what standard you're trying to institute here.

You didn't condemn SF because your M.O. is to never make a negative comment about anything the leftists do.

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(09-01-2015 11:31 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 11:06 AM)fsquid Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:05 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Good for her. She'll pay for it, but it's refreshing to see people putting up a fight. We need much more of that.

really? She put up her fight legally, which I respect, but she's lost. Now she just looks like a toddler who isn't getting her way.

I applaud her for being unwilling to move on this, no matter the consequences.

If she has been married 3 or 4 times as someone above mentioned, then she really is nothing more than another Christian hypocrite picking and choosing what she "feels" to be the right thing to do.

please, the old hag is simply throwing herself on an unwinnable situation so she can start a kickstarter campaign that people will foolishly donate to.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 12:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 11:45 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:09 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 09:46 AM)Hitch Wrote:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-...rt-ruling/


Just fire her for insubordination and move on.

I don't think anyone can fire a Clerk of Courts, they are elected.

I would think there would be a procedure to remove them from office if they weren't doing their duty.

The only loons are the ones wanting to throw her in jail. Tells a lot about the state of mind of progressives in this country. The left has become very totalitarian.

She's an elected official, and therefore cannot simply be fired and must be removed through a process of impeachment. Furthermore, any person who defies a court order subjects themselves to arrest, and the judge has made that very, very clear in his past rulings. Stop with the useless partisan rhetoric here, it has nothing to do with the 'mind of progressives' and everything to do with the rule of law. If she goes to jail, it will be of her own volition entirely, and not because of some nonsensical claim of 'totalitarianism'.

And let me remind every single person here that she had absolutely no problem issuing licenses to literally every single couple who genders she approved of, regardless of their following her religious beliefs in regards to marriage. She never questioned anyone about having open marriages, whether they were religious, whether they were sexually active before marriage, or any of the other dozens of issues that biblically are just as important as the gender of those getting married. She's simply a bigot using her religion as a shield to discriminate against those whose lifestyle she disagrees with.

Its useful to point out the hypocrisy of the left who claims to want freedom but jumps on the chance to throw any right winger in jail (and I bet nearly every one of those supports lesser jail sentences for things like drug crimes).

Let me remind you that marriage between opposite sexes is something that wouldn't have gotten 2 votes on the Supreme Court a quarter century ago and probably not 1. There is a huge difference.

Again, all together now, no one is jumping on any opportunity to throw anyone in jail, the woman is intentionally refusing a court order which can result in a charge of contempt of court. Stop saying you're combating some hypocrisy which does not exist, she is not being thrown in jail for her beliefs, she is being thrown in jail for refusing a court order. Stop. You're wrong, and repeating yourself doesn't make you any less wrong.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 12:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:05 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Good for her. She'll pay for it, but it's refreshing to see people putting up a fight. We need much more of that.

So, we get to pick and choose which laws we follow...which SCOTUS decisions we need to honor?

I don't recall you being too concerned with San Francisco picking and choosing which federal laws they followed.

Did I comment on or endorse SF policy at all?

And, If I don't post an objection here to everything I disagree with, that means I support it?

Just trying to find out what standard you're trying to institute here.

You didn't condemn SF because your M.O. is to never make a negative comment about anything the leftists do.

You're creating a completely ridiculous standard here. Not to mention that your assertion about me is 100% false.
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BTW - This clerk was elected as a Democrat.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 12:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, we get to pick and choose which laws we follow...which SCOTUS decisions we need to honor?

I don't recall you being too concerned with San Francisco picking and choosing which federal laws they followed.

Did I comment on or endorse SF policy at all?

And, If I don't post an objection here to everything I disagree with, that means I support it?

Just trying to find out what standard you're trying to institute here.

You didn't condemn SF because your M.O. is to never make a negative comment about anything the leftists do.

You're creating a completely ridiculous standard here. Not to mention that your assertion about me is 100% false.

Proof?
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 12:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't recall you being too concerned with San Francisco picking and choosing which federal laws they followed.

Did I comment on or endorse SF policy at all?

And, If I don't post an objection here to everything I disagree with, that means I support it?

Just trying to find out what standard you're trying to institute here.

You didn't condemn SF because your M.O. is to never make a negative comment about anything the leftists do.

You're creating a completely ridiculous standard here. Not to mention that your assertion about me is 100% false.

Proof?

I've made negative comments about Pelosi, Reid, Rangel and Weiner to name 4 right off the top of my head.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Did I comment on or endorse SF policy at all?

And, If I don't post an objection here to everything I disagree with, that means I support it?

Just trying to find out what standard you're trying to institute here.

You didn't condemn SF because your M.O. is to never make a negative comment about anything the leftists do.

You're creating a completely ridiculous standard here. Not to mention that your assertion about me is 100% false.

Proof?

I've made negative comments about Pelosi, Reid, Rangel and Weiner to name 4 right off the top of my head.

Link?
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(09-01-2015 12:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 11:45 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:09 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I don't think anyone can fire a Clerk of Courts, they are elected.

I would think there would be a procedure to remove them from office if they weren't doing their duty.

The only loons are the ones wanting to throw her in jail. Tells a lot about the state of mind of progressives in this country. The left has become very totalitarian.

She's an elected official, and therefore cannot simply be fired and must be removed through a process of impeachment. Furthermore, any person who defies a court order subjects themselves to arrest, and the judge has made that very, very clear in his past rulings. Stop with the useless partisan rhetoric here, it has nothing to do with the 'mind of progressives' and everything to do with the rule of law. If she goes to jail, it will be of her own volition entirely, and not because of some nonsensical claim of 'totalitarianism'.

And let me remind every single person here that she had absolutely no problem issuing licenses to literally every single couple who genders she approved of, regardless of their following her religious beliefs in regards to marriage. She never questioned anyone about having open marriages, whether they were religious, whether they were sexually active before marriage, or any of the other dozens of issues that biblically are just as important as the gender of those getting married. She's simply a bigot using her religion as a shield to discriminate against those whose lifestyle she disagrees with.

Its useful to point out the hypocrisy of the left who claims to want freedom but jumps on the chance to throw any right winger in jail (and I bet nearly every one of those supports lesser jail sentences for things like drug crimes).

Let me remind you that marriage between opposite sexes is something that wouldn't have gotten 2 votes on the Supreme Court a quarter century ago and probably not 1. There is a huge difference.

Again, all together now, no one is jumping on any opportunity to throw anyone in jail, the woman is intentionally refusing a court order which can result in a charge of contempt of court. Stop saying you're combating some hypocrisy which does not exist, she is not being thrown in jail for her beliefs, she is being thrown in jail for refusing a court order. Stop. You're wrong, and repeating yourself doesn't make you any less wrong.

You're wrong and repeating yourself doesn't make you any less wrong.
But you seem unable to comprehend anything that's not simple, so its a waste to try to explain the difference to you.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 11:45 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  I would think there would be a procedure to remove them from office if they weren't doing their duty.

The only loons are the ones wanting to throw her in jail. Tells a lot about the state of mind of progressives in this country. The left has become very totalitarian.

She's an elected official, and therefore cannot simply be fired and must be removed through a process of impeachment. Furthermore, any person who defies a court order subjects themselves to arrest, and the judge has made that very, very clear in his past rulings. Stop with the useless partisan rhetoric here, it has nothing to do with the 'mind of progressives' and everything to do with the rule of law. If she goes to jail, it will be of her own volition entirely, and not because of some nonsensical claim of 'totalitarianism'.

And let me remind every single person here that she had absolutely no problem issuing licenses to literally every single couple who genders she approved of, regardless of their following her religious beliefs in regards to marriage. She never questioned anyone about having open marriages, whether they were religious, whether they were sexually active before marriage, or any of the other dozens of issues that biblically are just as important as the gender of those getting married. She's simply a bigot using her religion as a shield to discriminate against those whose lifestyle she disagrees with.

Its useful to point out the hypocrisy of the left who claims to want freedom but jumps on the chance to throw any right winger in jail (and I bet nearly every one of those supports lesser jail sentences for things like drug crimes).

Let me remind you that marriage between opposite sexes is something that wouldn't have gotten 2 votes on the Supreme Court a quarter century ago and probably not 1. There is a huge difference.

Again, all together now, no one is jumping on any opportunity to throw anyone in jail, the woman is intentionally refusing a court order which can result in a charge of contempt of court. Stop saying you're combating some hypocrisy which does not exist, she is not being thrown in jail for her beliefs, she is being thrown in jail for refusing a court order. Stop. You're wrong, and repeating yourself doesn't make you any less wrong.

You're wrong and repeating yourself doesn't make you any less wrong.
But you seem unable to comprehend anything that's not simple, so its a waste to try to explain the difference to you.

Where am I wrong?
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A. "Throw her in Jail!" "She isn't enforcing Federal Law!" --- Liberals on Probate Court Judges related to gay marriage

B. "Federal Law is wrong and they are right to not follow it!" --- Liberals on sanctuary cities

A+B=C (hypocrisy)
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(09-01-2015 12:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  You didn't condemn SF because your M.O. is to never make a negative comment about anything the leftists do.

You're creating a completely ridiculous standard here. Not to mention that your assertion about me is 100% false.

Proof?

I've made negative comments about Pelosi, Reid, Rangel and Weiner to name 4 right off the top of my head.

Link?

Do I get an apology from you if I take the time to search for them under the features menu above?
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(09-01-2015 01:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  A. "Throw her in Jail!" "She isn't enforcing Federal Law!" --- Liberals on Probate Court Judges related to gay marriage

B. "Federal Law is wrong and they are right to not follow it!" --- Liberals on sanctuary cities

A+B=C (hypocrisy)

Agreed. Both laws should be followed

That being said....

A. "Sanctuary Cities are a violation of Federal law!"
B. "Good for her for defying bad law!"

A+B=C (hypocrisy)
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(09-01-2015 01:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You're creating a completely ridiculous standard here. Not to mention that your assertion about me is 100% false.

Proof?

I've made negative comments about Pelosi, Reid, Rangel and Weiner to name 4 right off the top of my head.

Link?

Do I get an apology from you if I take the time to search for them under the features menu above?

Why? Have I hurt your little leftist feelings?
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(09-01-2015 01:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  A. "Throw her in Jail!" "She isn't enforcing Federal Law!" --- Liberals on Probate Court Judges related to gay marriage

B. "Federal Law is wrong and they are right to not follow it!" --- Liberals on sanctuary cities

A+B=C (hypocrisy)

Except I'm not saying that, I am saying she is ignoring a court order and therefore subjecting herself to being arrested for contempt of court. I am liberal, and therefore your above statement is entirely wrong.
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(09-01-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 01:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Proof?

I've made negative comments about Pelosi, Reid, Rangel and Weiner to name 4 right off the top of my head.

Link?

Do I get an apology from you if I take the time to search for them under the features menu above?

Why? Have I hurt your little leftist feelings?

No, because you're wrong and I'm not going to waste my time if you are incapable of admitting that.
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(09-01-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 01:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Proof?

I've made negative comments about Pelosi, Reid, Rangel and Weiner to name 4 right off the top of my head.

Link?

Do I get an apology from you if I take the time to search for them under the features menu above?

Why? Have I hurt your little leftist feelings?

Are you incapable of admitting you are wrong when you are? Because that's the only rational implication one can have from this response.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court
(09-01-2015 01:41 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 01:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I've made negative comments about Pelosi, Reid, Rangel and Weiner to name 4 right off the top of my head.

Link?

Do I get an apology from you if I take the time to search for them under the features menu above?

Why? Have I hurt your little leftist feelings?

Are you incapable of admitting you are wrong when you are? Because that's the only rational implication one can have from this response.

It's a nuanced position.
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