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And JMU just beats SMU 48-45 scoring a touchdown with 34 seconds left to go 4-0. We may be paying COA, and the fans may be seething, but today JMU gets a FBS win against an AAU team, on the road, and moves up in the FCS polls. We drop to likely 15, hopefully no lower and go 2-2. Plus 3 more road games. This does not seem good today. Hopefully better tomorrow and Saturday.
09-26-2015 09:56 PM
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Who cares what JMU did? It is irrelevant in our egg laying competition.

Woodrum sucks if it wasn''t for Peterson. He's nothing but a bus driver QB with a star WR to make him look good.

The defense didn't show up either but what else is new, right? We switch to a 4-2-5 defense and that hasn't confused any offense so far this season, especially the last two weeks. Though to be fair, WVU sees it every time they play TCU.

Looks like we need to win the Big South to get into playoffs again.
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Indiana beat SIU 48-47. Indiana is now 4-0 with wins over FIU, Western Kentucky and Wake Forest. We got beat ... (at this point in the season) by a better team. To be better we might have to shake it up some. Might see more Stephon Masha and the dual threat offence next week?
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09-27-2015 05:35 AM
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(09-26-2015 10:26 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Who cares what JMU did? It is irrelevant in our egg laying competition.

Woodrum sucks if it wasn''t for Peterson. He's nothing but a bus driver QB with a star WR to make him look good.

The defense didn't show up either but what else is new, right? We switch to a 4-2-5 defense and that hasn't confused any offense so far this season, especially the last two weeks. Though to be fair, WVU sees it every time they play TCU.

Looks like we need to win the Big South to get into playoffs again.
First, the tone of your posts is like most of us feel today, angry and defeated. We had such high hopes and it seems like it's a return to the old Liberty. One game does not make or break as season. Last week we were on a high, this week we're scratching our head.

I mention JMU because they looked very strong in their win over SMU. Granted SMU is no FBS juggernaut having won one game last year but it was an away game and SMU is better this year. JMU will rise in the polls and LU will fall. I can acknowledge JMU's victory as I respect their in field success, not their admin leadership.

Woodrum simply had a bad day. The leading Flames QB will rebound and play better as good players do. He's been boldly talking about winning it all this year and being a senior leader. He failed yesterday. He'll do better against GaSt,or we'll revisit this next Sunday with the same conversation.

This is why we pay a full season and not one game.
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09-27-2015 07:20 AM
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(09-27-2015 05:35 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Indiana beat SIU 48-47. Indiana is now 4-0 with wins over FIU, Western Kentucky and Wake Forest. We got beat ... (at this point in the season) by a better team. To be better we might have to shake it up some. Might see more Stephon Masha and the dual threat offence next week?
I did like it when Masha got in. He brought another dimension that is much different than the drop back passer Woodrum is. I'm looking forward to his style and running ability when he starts.
09-27-2015 07:25 AM
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(09-27-2015 07:20 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-26-2015 10:26 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Who cares what JMU did? It is irrelevant in our egg laying competition.

Woodrum sucks if it wasn''t for Peterson. He's nothing but a bus driver QB with a star WR to make him look good.

The defense didn't show up either but what else is new, right? We switch to a 4-2-5 defense and that hasn't confused any offense so far this season, especially the last two weeks. Though to be fair, WVU sees it every time they play TCU.

Looks like we need to win the Big South to get into playoffs again.
First, the tone of your posts is like most of us feel today, angry and defeated. We had such high hopes and it seems like it's a return to the old Liberty. One game does not make or break as season. Last week we were on a high, this week we're scratching or head.

I mention JMU because they looked very strong in their win over SMU. Granted SMU is no FBS juggernaut having won one game last year but it was an away game and SMU is better this year. JMU will rise in the polls and LU will fall. I can acknowledge JMU's victory as I respect their in field success, not their admin leadership.

Woodruff simply had a bad day. The leading Flames QB will rebound and play better as good players do. He's been boldly talking about winning it all this year and being a senor leader. He failed yesterday. He'll do better against GaSt,or we'll revisit this next Sunday with the same conversation.

This is why we pay a full season and not one game.

We already lost two games, neither were close. We beat a solidish Montana team at home and that's it. You only have so many opportunities to earn an at-large playoff bid and we aren't impressing in my opinion. Conference play likely won't help us if we don't get the autobid.

Woodrum is a senior. He needs to play better. He's been the starter for four years. Time to be a threat to the other team and not a bus driver.

Our defense has been average at best. We are in a new scheme this year but it isn't helping. Hopefully it gets better as time goes on but will that be because we play in the Big South or because we get more comfortable in the scheme?
09-27-2015 09:41 AM
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Some of you sound like NY fans- I can say that as an upstate New Yorker and a Yanks-Giants-Rangers fan. We got beat. We made mistakes. We could've and should've done better. But now Woodrum's a bus driver? Good grief.

Pointing out the obvious- Woodrum's fumbles were obvious, as they potentially cost us a 14 point swing. He was also off on some, but most of his passes should've been caught. We obviously we're missing Petey. SIU did a great job of getting into our guys heads to cause mental mistakes on offense. They're offense was good and very fast, something our D never really seemed to adjust to.

The biggest issue, that I pointed out last week, is the offensive line. In the first 3 games there were way too many rushes and tipped passes on Woodrum. They're not creating the holes for our RB's, allowing too many hurries on Woodrum, and we've had at least 2 blocks on Lunsford. The first missed FG was actually blocked/tipped which killed some of the distance.

Bottom line is that you win some and lose some. Unfortunately, we had the proverbial let down after a huge win again. Let's hope we don't have another letdown at Gardner Webb after we beat the GA State Puddy-Cats in the Empty Dome this weekend.
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09-27-2015 12:27 PM
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A couple thoughts. Woodrum is a heck of allot better than he showed last night. To call him a bus driver is way off and I think is just am emotional response.

Why in the heck are we so concerned about JMU? We're not in the same conference and have very little in common with them. Some of you guys are obsessed with them.

I'm not a big fan of the bend but don't break defense. You do that when you don't have the athletes to match up and you're making up for the talent gap. SIU is a much better team than their record showed. They had turned the ball over something like 8-9 times in the first two games and that's what doomed them. Last night they turned it over once late in the game. Next week I think you'll see liberty come out with a sense of urgency.

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Agree that calling Woodrum is a response to the disappointment of the loss. He likely will break more records this year before he finishes. He did take us to the playoffs last year. He just had a bad game.
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I've always thought Woodrum is a bus driver. I don't think he has improved much from his freshman season. The statistics bear this out. His completion percentage has gone down yearly from his freshman campaign. His yards per attempt has gone up yearly (the lone exception) aside from this year which is his lowest ever. His touchdown per pass frequency has decreased yearly since his sophomore season. His QB rating has decreased yearly from his sophomore season. In summary, he's been throwing the ball more often over his career and he is being less efficient about it.

http://www.si.com/college-football/playe...drum/stats

Woodrum is breaking records because he's having more opportunities than other quarterbacks, not because he's the best quarterback ever at Liberty.
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(09-27-2015 04:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I've always thought Woodrum is a bus driver. I don't think he has improved much from his freshman season. The statistics bear this out. His completion percentage has gone down yearly from his freshman campaign. His yards per attempt has gone up yearly (the lone exception) aside from this year which is his lowest ever. His touchdown per pass frequency has decreased yearly since his sophomore season. His QB rating has decreased yearly from his sophomore season. In summary, he's been throwing the ball more often over his career and he is being less efficient about it.

http://www.si.com/college-football/playe...drum/stats

Woodrum is breaking records because he's having more opportunities than other quarterbacks, not because he's the best quarterback ever at Liberty.
Do we really want to have this dialogue on the forum? Seems like you've made your point and others don't agree. Wouldn't it be smoother to move on?
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(09-27-2015 05:03 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-27-2015 04:58 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I've always thought Woodrum is a bus driver. I don't think he has improved much from his freshman season. The statistics bear this out. His completion percentage has gone down yearly from his freshman campaign. His yards per attempt has gone up yearly (the lone exception) aside from this year which is his lowest ever. His touchdown per pass frequency has decreased yearly since his sophomore season. His QB rating has decreased yearly from his sophomore season. In summary, he's been throwing the ball more often over his career and he is being less efficient about it.

http://www.si.com/college-football/playe...drum/stats

Woodrum is breaking records because he's having more opportunities than other quarterbacks, not because he's the best quarterback ever at Liberty.
Do we really want to have this dialogue on the forum? Seems like you've made your point and others don't agree. Wouldn't it be smoother to move on?

I'm using stats to back up my point. YOU may have made up your mind, but for those who haven't, let them look at the stats and see for themselves.
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