(09-23-2015 09:00 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: (09-23-2015 08:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: (09-23-2015 08:44 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: (09-23-2015 08:04 AM)nole Wrote: (09-23-2015 08:00 AM)Lucy Wrote: There isn't much else to do in Greenville, NC & all points east in the fall except go to ECU football games.
So Duke area has lots to do during football but not basketball season?
Actually, nole, the Triangle has lot of 'outdoor social options' during September and October so the Triangle schools are competing against themselves AND the growing social life.
Raleigh Beer Week is this week -- 
I know you want to troll, but, since I live here, I can speak to that.
Greenville -- there is NOTHING to do in G-Vegas BUT go to a football game. It is what it is.
Yes, but true football fans go to the football game as their first choice venue. So it says North Carolina does not have true and loyal football fan base. 
Yeah, but y'all already knew that. North Carolina IS a basketball-first state, and there's no shame in that.
UNC long ago put its eggs (all of them!) in the men's basketball basket. It is what it is
Duke, as Lumberpack, has pointed out numerous times, shot itself in the "football" foot with an 800 SAT rule. Cutcliffe is like Moses trying to lead Duke out of the wilderness, but it is what it is.
NC State doesn't know if it wants to be a men's basketball school or a football school, BUT they do have an awesome tailgating atmosphere so there's that.
It is what it is. All we ask FSU and Clemson to do is be the football flagships, and don't screw ---- up.
Lumping NC State into North Carolina school attendance issues is a red herring. We have had two home games this year and so far attendance is 99.6%. The problem at State is people going out at half time and not coming back until midway through the 3rd quarter. ECU is at 80% for one home game, WF and Duke are at 85% for two home games, but it's UNC that is the sick man at less than 66% with that being generous.
UNC has not been a football school since the 800 SAT rule passed. In the 40's and 50's Carolina made Choo Choo the highest paid football player in America and he paid off with three Sugar/Cotton Bowls. UNC hired notorious Jim Tatum, he from OU and MD, but Tatum died of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. When Duke gutted ACC football, UNC powers that be never allowed Bill Dooley to climb the mountain top because the academic side would not make the sacrifice for so many football players. Dean could hide 2-3 really stupid basketball players but Dooley could not hide 20-30 num-nuts nor would they allow him to be AD - that's when Bill Cobey was hired as AD - Cobey's father having been AD at MD.
It was not until the powers that be in the BOT, Business School, and Ed Foundation determined that UNC would have big time football that Butch Davis was hired and the money flowed and the heads turned allowing football players to take advantage of the academic favors that male football players and a few select females enjoyed. After football the baseball players and soccer jump on board and the rest is history.
The point is that Kenan is overbuilt for what is now a defacto public girls school. Since NC State has the Engineering School, Ag School, Vet School, Pulp and Paper, Textiles, etc. 30 years ago UNC was 55/45 men. Today it's effectively 60/40 women and 18% of those being admitted (out of state) are disproportionately from non-football areas where high school sports have become lacrosse, field hockey, and soccer dominated.
NC State needs 65K in capacity and Kenan only needs about 55K. This phenomenon is why the new Dean Dome when it's built will seat less people but have more luxury boxes.
Between NC State, Duke, and UNC there are 155 K football seats. All within 20 miles of each other. Just two more hours away, east and west ECU and WF offer 50K and 32K seats. In the footprint between Winston Salem and Greenville NC there are 237K football seats. On top of that the Panthers PSL's are about 62% North Carolina based so that's another 40K seats for football being taken up by NC people for a raw total of 277K football seats for sale in NC at the Pro, P-5 and near P-5 level.
WF and UNC football ticket sales suffered due to the Panthers. NC State basketball ticket sales suffer due to the Carolina Hurricanes.
Syracuse, VT, UVa, Clemson, Louisville, and FSU have distinct ticket sales advantages as being the only game in town so to speak. Yet FSU and Syracuse are both spatially penalized - FSU the most due to their location in the panhandle and the bulk of alumni downstate.
Carolina students, fans, and alumni who have good sense and any memory know not to get their hopes up in football and the avoid a stinker and abandon a mediocre team once basketball starts. Only State fans are stubborn enough to endure decades of mediocrity.
There is no discord over football at UNC. What you are seeing is normal. The beginning and the end of the Dick Crum era looks like what you saw last week against Illinois. NasCarl, and Bunting looked the same. Dooley, Brown, and the middle of the Crum era are aberrations, not the norm at Chapel Hill so to expect something else of them is unfair and unrealistic.
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