(03-02-2016 01:46 AM)YOwl Ming Wrote:  

(03-01-2016 04:33 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-01-2016 04:13 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Kansas is one of the only teams in the country that make us look extremely competent.

Heck, if KU wants them, they likely aren't very good.

I don't disagree with you about Kansas football generally, but they still pay coaches a lot more than Rice can, so whether he made the move because Kansas wanted him or because Rice replaced him, it seems likely that he received a raise.

KU pays more for coaches to not coach at KU than Rice (or most G5's) pays to coach at Rice

Are they still on the hook for Weis?

I didn't look too hard, but found this article about KU. Didn't realize just how bad of a job Weis did managing the roster.

(03-02-2016 07:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 01:46 AM)YOwl Ming Wrote:  

(03-01-2016 04:33 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-01-2016 04:13 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Kansas is one of the only teams in the country that make us look extremely competent.

Heck, if KU wants them, they likely aren't very good.

I don't disagree with you about Kansas football generally, but they still pay coaches a lot more than Rice can, so whether he made the move because Kansas wanted him or because Rice replaced him, it seems likely that he received a raise.

KU pays more for coaches to not coach at KU than Rice (or most G5's) pays to coach at Rice

Are they still on the hook for Weis?

I didn't look too hard, but found this article about KU. Didn't realize just how bad of a job Weis did managing the roster.

Last payment to Weis from KU will come in December of this year.

(03-02-2016 10:24 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 07:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 01:46 AM)YOwl Ming Wrote:  

(03-01-2016 04:33 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(03-01-2016 04:13 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Kansas is one of the only teams in the country that make us look extremely competent.

Heck, if KU wants them, they likely aren't very good.

I don't disagree with you about Kansas football generally, but they still pay coaches a lot more than Rice can, so whether he made the move because Kansas wanted him or because Rice replaced him, it seems likely that he received a raise.

KU pays more for coaches to not coach at KU than Rice (or most G5's) pays to coach at Rice

Are they still on the hook for Weis?

I didn't look too hard, but found this article about KU. Didn't realize just how bad of a job Weis did managing the roster.

Last payment to Weis from KU will come in December of this year.

Kansas will pay him $2.5 million in 2016. Notre Dame fired Weis after the 2009 season, but 2016 marks the first year he won't receive money from the Domers. In all, he was paid just under $19 million not to coach there.

I am sure Kansas hired Slater only because the head coach at Kansas worked with him before at Rice and Slater believes his days are numbered at Rice since Bailiff will not be here after next season unless Bailiff has a miraculous season.

(02-29-2016 09:42 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  Okam is 4000 times better than Slater. Good riddance to that guy.

If I had to wager on which school will replace their head coach sooner, Kansas or Rice, it would be a tough choice.

(03-02-2016 01:21 PM)temchugh Wrote:  If I had to wager on which school will replace their head coach sooner, Kansas or Rice, it would be a tough choice.

Or a tie. Kansas hires Bailiff and cements their legacy as the most incompetent program ever

(03-02-2016 02:10 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 01:21 PM)temchugh Wrote:  If I had to wager on which school will replace their head coach sooner, Kansas or Rice, it would be a tough choice.

Or a tie. Kansas hires Bailiff and cements their legacy as the most incompetent program ever

KU did go to an Orange Bowl recently, and win it.

The problem was they relied on an abusive coach to get there. I wonder if the AD is the same, because the way they handled the transition from Mangingo to Gil and then Gil to Weis was awful.

Prior to that, they weren't nearly as incompetent. Just meh.

(03-02-2016 07:05 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  KU did go to an Orange Bowl recently, and win it.

The problem was they relied on an abusive coach to get there. I wonder if the AD is the same, because the way they handled the transition from Mangingo to Gil and then Gil to Weis was awful.

Recent Jayhawks football coaches:

2002-09 -- Mark Mangino
2010-11 -- Turner Gil
2012-14 -- Charlie Weis
-2014interim -- Clint Bowen
2015-present -- David Beaty

Recent Kansas Athletic Directors:

2001-03 -- Allen Bohl
-2003 interim -- Drue Jennings
2003-10 -- Lew Perkins
-2010 interim -- Sean Lester
2011-present -- Sheahon Zenger

(03-02-2016 07:34 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 07:05 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  KU did go to an Orange Bowl recently, and win it.

The problem was they relied on an abusive coach to get there. I wonder if the AD is the same, because the way they handled the transition from Mangingo to Gil and then Gil to Weis was awful.

Recent Jayhawks football coaches:

2002-09 -- Mark Mangino
2010-11 -- Turner Gil
2012-14 -- Charlie Weis
-2014interim -- Clint Bowen
2015-present -- David Beaty

Recent Kansas Athletic Directors:

2001-03 -- Allen Bohl
-2003 interim -- Drue Jennings
2003-10 -- Lew Perkins
-2010 interim -- Sean Lester
2011-present -- Sheahon Zenger

Maybe they should try a peak load labor company for their next HC and AD...would be a lot cheaper.

(03-02-2016 02:10 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 01:21 PM)temchugh Wrote:  If I had to wager on which school will replace their head coach sooner, Kansas or Rice, it would be a tough choice.

Or a tie. Kansas hires Bailiff and cements their legacy as the most incompetent program ever

You don't like David Bailiff?

Bill Cubit fired as head coach at Illinois only four months after being named head coach and being given a two-year contract. Bill was interim coach all of the 2015 season. Josh Whitman fired him on Josh's first official day as the new AD:

Quote:Through his efforts, he has kept the program moving forward. Bill is a good man and a good football coach. All of us in the Illini Nation owe him a debt of gratitude for his work leading our team these last months. At this juncture, however, I think it is most important that we position our program for long-term success by creating a more stable environment for the coaches, players, and prospective student-athletes."

Hiring a new head coach at this time of year seems like a strange way to create a more stable environment.

(03-05-2016 12:48 PM)temchugh Wrote:  Bill Cubit fired as head coach at Illinois only four months after being named head coach and being given a two-year contract. Bill was interim coach all of the 2015 season. Josh Whitman fired him on Josh's first official day as the new AD:

Quote:Through his efforts, he has kept the program moving forward. Bill is a good man and a good football coach. All of us in the Illini Nation owe him a debt of gratitude for his work leading our team these last months. At this juncture, however, I think it is most important that we position our program for long-term success by creating a more stable environment for the coaches, players, and prospective student-athletes."

Hiring a new head coach at this time of year seems like a strange way to create a more stable environment.

Word is, they hired Lovie Smith. Regardless of timing, I feel like that's very much a net positive.

No opinion on the hire, but the move makes a lot more sense if they already had a replacement picked out.

(03-06-2016 02:05 AM)RiceFight Wrote:  

(03-05-2016 12:48 PM)temchugh Wrote:  Bill Cubit fired as head coach at Illinois only four months after being named head coach and being given a two-year contract. ... Josh Whitman fired him on Josh's first official day as the new AD:

Quote:At this juncture, however, I think it is most important that we position our program for long-term success by creating a more stable environment for the coaches, players, and prospective student-athletes."

Hiring a new head coach at this time of year seems like a strange way to create a more stable environment.

Word is, they hired Lovie Smith.

Here's some of the word about the Gladewater (Tex.) native and former Big Sandy star: http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college...45051.html

And it may be a family affair, too:

Quote:Smith is likely to bring his two sons to the coaching staff. Mikal Smith was coaching safeties for his father at Tampa Bay. Miles Smith was an offensive intern. A third son, Matthew Smith, is Lovie Smith’s agent.

(03-05-2016 12:48 PM)temchugh Wrote:  Bill Cubit fired as head coach at Illinois only four months after being named head coach and being given a two-year contract. Bill was interim coach all of the 2015 season. Josh Whitman fired him on Josh's first official day as the new AD:

Quote:Through his efforts, he has kept the program moving forward. Bill is a good man and a good football coach. All of us in the Illini Nation owe him a debt of gratitude for his work leading our team these last months. At this juncture, however, I think it is most important that we position our program for long-term success by creating a more stable environment for the coaches, players, and prospective student-athletes."

Hiring a new head coach at this time of year seems like a strange way to create a more stable environment.

Stability at the cost of quality isn't worth it in the long run.

If the new AD felt that Cubit wasn't the guy to take them to the promised land, then the sooner the change is made, the better.

Illinois hires Lovie Smith. 6 year 21 mil deal

(03-07-2016 11:52 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Illinois hires Lovie Smith. 6 year 21 mil deal

Hope he makes sure the check clears....

(03-05-2016 12:48 PM)temchugh Wrote:  Bill Cubit fired as head coach at Illinois only four months after being named head coach and being given a two-year contract. Bill was interim coach all of the 2015 season. Josh Whitman fired him on Josh's first official day as the new AD:

Quote:Through his efforts, he has kept the program moving forward. Bill is a good man and a good football coach. All of us in the Illini Nation owe him a debt of gratitude for his work leading our team these last months. At this juncture, however, I think it is most important that we position our program for long-term success by creating a more stable environment for the coaches, players, and prospective student-athletes."

Hiring a new head coach at this time of year seems like a strange way to create a more stable environment.

I think the stability comments comes form the fact that Cubit had only been given a 2 year deal - which, in coachspeak, makes it very difficult to recruit, build a staff, etc...

In reality, it sounds like the new AD had planned to bring in Lovie from the start.

Bold move. It may or may not work, but if you're Illinois I think it's a move worth making. A couple of programs in the Big 10 West are a bit down right now (namely Wisconsin and Nebraska) with Iowa the likely leader in the clubhouse at least for 2016 - Illinois might be able to gain some ground relatively quickly.

With the Big 10 Network payments slated to go up to approx $43M per school paying off Cubit and son plus the higher salary for Lovie isn't a major issue the way it is for UH to pay Mensa.

Reading statements by the new AD (who came from DIII Washington University which matches JK from Oberlin) he did seem to have lined up Lovie in advance.

Not football but it was interesting looking at Shaggy Bevo after the 4 game sweep by Cal over UT baseball there was a poll for who should replace Augie (someone said that in the 11th inning yesterday Disch Falk was as empty as Augie's head) and one of the leaders was former Twins manager Ron Gardenhire who played at UT. That actually would be a very interesting choice IMHO.

(03-07-2016 01:12 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  With the Big 10 Network payments slated to go up to approx $43M per school paying off Cubit and son plus the higher salary for Lovie isn't a major issue the way it is for UH to pay Mensa.

Reading statements by the new AD (who came from DIII Washington University which matches JK from Oberlin) he did seem to have lined up Lovie in advance.

Not football but it was interesting looking at Shaggy Bevo after the 4 game sweep by Cal over UT baseball there was a poll for who should replace Augie (someone said that in the 11th inning yesterday Disch Falk was as empty as Augie's head) and one of the leaders was former Twins manager Ron Gardenhire who played at UT. That actually would be a very interesting choice IMHO.

Interesting for a state that can't pay scholarships that were promised to students and some smaller schools having to skip spring break so they can finish the semester and pay employees.... The main Illinois campus isn't having those problems though.