(11-04-2015 04:28 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 04:20 PM)Merrick Wrote:  No, B12 needs to expand NOW while they are the only conference looking to do so...then help said team gain P5 strength to help the conference sustain if/when they lose another school.

This is by far the best argument for expansion sooner rather than later.

But that is not something new. That was something that people have been saying for 4 years. When the B12 first went after Pitt and Louisville, and then when Pitt passed, and they went for WVU, and did not grab others, they let the next team in line be had by someone else, and in a worst case scenario, are allowing it to happen again in the doomsday mentioned above.

(11-02-2015 03:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 11:22 AM)KennyKowboy Wrote:  The Big XII will add Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Uconn, Houston, and Tulane.

I can see Cincy, Memphis, Temple, maybe even Houston... why UConn and Tulane, though?

UConn because of it's basketball and it being only a 5 hour drive from Temple. Tulane is a team that you could build up, it's in a great city, and also in the SEC territory.

(11-04-2015 04:28 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 04:20 PM)Merrick Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  It makes sense for the Big 12 to wait, for the moment. The Big 12 could still get TWO teams in the 2015 CFP. What if a couple of other contenders fall down the stretch? What if there is a CCG upset or two this year?

And, more importantly, what if the B1G lands a behemoth media deal in the next 12-18 months and is able to attract some ACC schools? And Florida St., Clemson, Louisville, or others are available for Big 12 membership?

No reason to rush into expansion. Getting left out of the CFP again would be a catalyst, but the Big 12 still might wait to see what happens with the new B1G media deal. Does the Big 12 lose members? Or will there be more attractive expansion candidates in the aftermath?

Or, the BiG could raid the ACC and one from B12, and in response the ACC quickly adds rumored B12 expansion candidates. Then, B12 would be left with an even worse pool of candidates to pull from.

EX: BiG gets VA and say, OK. ACC then quickly adds Cincy. Then where does B12 go to even "look" like they're going to maintain?

No, B12 needs to expand NOW while they are the only conference looking to do so...then help said team gain P5 strength to help the conference sustain if/when they lose another school.

This is by far the best argument for expansion sooner rather than later.

Yes - it's called investing for the future. It's amazing how many highly paid conference leaders are apparently ignorant of the concept.

(11-05-2015 03:35 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 04:28 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 04:20 PM)Merrick Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  It makes sense for the Big 12 to wait, for the moment. The Big 12 could still get TWO teams in the 2015 CFP. What if a couple of other contenders fall down the stretch? What if there is a CCG upset or two this year?

And, more importantly, what if the B1G lands a behemoth media deal in the next 12-18 months and is able to attract some ACC schools? And Florida St., Clemson, Louisville, or others are available for Big 12 membership?

No reason to rush into expansion. Getting left out of the CFP again would be a catalyst, but the Big 12 still might wait to see what happens with the new B1G media deal. Does the Big 12 lose members? Or will there be more attractive expansion candidates in the aftermath?

Or, the BiG could raid the ACC and one from B12, and in response the ACC quickly adds rumored B12 expansion candidates. Then, B12 would be left with an even worse pool of candidates to pull from.

EX: BiG gets VA and say, OK. ACC then quickly adds Cincy. Then where does B12 go to even "look" like they're going to maintain?

No, B12 needs to expand NOW while they are the only conference looking to do so...then help said team gain P5 strength to help the conference sustain if/when they lose another school.

This is by far the best argument for expansion sooner rather than later.

Yes - it's called investing for the future. It's amazing how many highly paid conference leaders are apparently ignorant of the concept.

Bowlsby is a "yes" man. Not a leader like Delaney. I would imagine that the BIG/BTN has multiple expansion scenarios with this new TV negotiations in the works. I would be surprised if they do not expand again.

(11-05-2015 03:31 PM)KennyKowboy Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 03:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 11:22 AM)KennyKowboy Wrote:  The Big XII will add Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Uconn, Houston, and Tulane.

I can see Cincy, Memphis, Temple, maybe even Houston... why UConn and Tulane, though?

UConn because of it's basketball and it being only a 5 hour drive from Temple. Tulane is a team that you could build up, it's in a great city, and also in the SEC territory.

UConn is a Hell NO to most Big 12 fanbase because they are way too far away. Tulane gave up their power status a long time ago when they left SEC. Tulane is not a stable add because of their financial issues after the hurricane in 2005. Pre-Hurricane, yes, but after, the whole city and school still is in need a long term rebuild.

(11-02-2015 02:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It's funny, or sad depending on how you look at it, to view the current XII through the eyes of the old Big 8.

Three of the original 8 are now gone (Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri), as well as one of the two major Texas schools that made the merger seem so valuable (A&M).


Now people are talking about three more of the original 8 leaving (Kansas, Oklahoma and/or Oklahoma St), along with Texas, the other major Texas school that made the merger valuable.


That could leave 2-4 of the original 8 stuck in a conference that no longer has Texas or A&M, 4 - 6 of the original Big 8 teams gone, and a bunch of team added that were in CUSA a couple years ago (except Cincinnati ... they haven't been in the CUSA since 10 years ago).


As they say, the road to you know where is paved with gold ...

Iowa was an original Big 7 member.

Oklahoma
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Iowa
Iowa State
Nebraska

Was the original Big 7.


Oklahoma State joined after Iowa left for the Big 10.

Then they added Colorado to make it Big 8.

(11-05-2015 03:35 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 04:28 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 04:20 PM)Merrick Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  It makes sense for the Big 12 to wait, for the moment. The Big 12 could still get TWO teams in the 2015 CFP. What if a couple of other contenders fall down the stretch? What if there is a CCG upset or two this year?

And, more importantly, what if the B1G lands a behemoth media deal in the next 12-18 months and is able to attract some ACC schools? And Florida St., Clemson, Louisville, or others are available for Big 12 membership?

No reason to rush into expansion. Getting left out of the CFP again would be a catalyst, but the Big 12 still might wait to see what happens with the new B1G media deal. Does the Big 12 lose members? Or will there be more attractive expansion candidates in the aftermath?

Or, the BiG could raid the ACC and one from B12, and in response the ACC quickly adds rumored B12 expansion candidates. Then, B12 would be left with an even worse pool of candidates to pull from.

EX: BiG gets VA and say, OK. ACC then quickly adds Cincy. Then where does B12 go to even "look" like they're going to maintain?

No, B12 needs to expand NOW while they are the only conference looking to do so...then help said team gain P5 strength to help the conference sustain if/when they lose another school.

This is by far the best argument for expansion sooner rather than later.

Yes - it's called investing for the future. It's amazing how many highly paid conference leaders are apparently ignorant of the concept.

I would argue that's what the Big Ten did with Maryland and Rutgers. They picked them up just in time for the playoffs and the influx of cash, so that they could afford to pay them close to the conference payout without taking money away from current teams. To me that was the best use of playoff money of any confernece, that obviously paid immediate dividends with the B1G Network. The ACC more or less did the same thing with Cuse and Pitt to an extent.

(11-02-2015 11:35 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 11:22 AM)KennyKowboy Wrote:  The Big XII will add Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Uconn, Houston, and Tulane.

This would actually be a decent play for the Big 12 - but it's hard to see the Big 12 leadership doing anything so aggressive.

If that happened every school that was in a BCS AQ conference would be in a P5 conference except SMU, South Florida, and Central Florida. All but South Florida only had one season in an AQ conference.

(11-05-2015 09:38 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 11:35 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 11:22 AM)KennyKowboy Wrote:  The Big XII will add Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Uconn, Houston, and Tulane.

This would actually be a decent play for the Big 12 - but it's hard to see the Big 12 leadership doing anything so aggressive.

If that happened every school that was in a BCS AQ conference would be in a P5 conference except SMU, South Florida, and Central Florida. All but South Florida only had one season in an AQ conference.

The big 12 can't agree on one team what makes you think they will agree on six?

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(11-04-2015 11:07 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  You know Cincinnati was voted in Memphis only got three votes

Then --- Pony posts this just now In context to keep it real >>>

(11-05-2015 09:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 11:22 AM)KennyKowboy Wrote:  The Big XII will add Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Uconn, Houston, and Tulane.

The big 12 can't agree on one team what makes you think they will agree on six?

What's the deal --- please. Oh and **when** was that BXII 9 - 3 vote you always post?

http://big12banter.wix.com/big12banter

(11-05-2015 03:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 03:31 PM)KennyKowboy Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 03:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 11:22 AM)KennyKowboy Wrote:  The Big XII will add Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Uconn, Houston, and Tulane.

I can see Cincy, Memphis, Temple, maybe even Houston... why UConn and Tulane, though?

UConn because of it's basketball and it being only a 5 hour drive from Temple. Tulane is a team that you could build up, it's in a great city, and also in the SEC territory.

UConn is a Hell NO to most Big 12 fanbase because they are way too far away. Tulane gave up their power status a long time ago when they left SEC. Tulane is not a stable add because of their financial issues after the hurricane in 2005. Pre-Hurricane, yes, but after, the whole city and school still is in need a long term rebuild.

???

I would understand if you said no to Tulane because we don't win enough. You do realize that the school has increased its endowment (over $1 billion, and a couple thousand over Cincy - who is the #1 Big XII target), expanded it's athletic budget from $27m to $43m a year, and built around $100m in new athletic facilities?

The problem with Tulane is habitual losing, not being broke.