(12-27-2015 08:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:06 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  They needed a 10th team to maintain their television deal. If they were smarter and less greedy they should have invited WVU, Louisville, and Cincinatti at the same time.

"Less greedy"? What??? The only motivation for any of these conferences to expand or not expand is money. Altruism is never a factor.

And today the Big 12's decision still boils down to "show me the money". If the TV guys piled a stack of cash on the table so high that it poked through the clouds, and told the Big 12 presidents, "All this money is yours if you add School X and School Y to your conference," then I guarantee School X and School Y would be invited. If there's no cash on the table or not enough, then no one will be invited now.

Greedy in the sense that they got to split the money 10 ways instead of 12.

(12-27-2015 08:58 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:06 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  They needed a 10th team to maintain their television deal. If they were smarter and less greedy they should have invited WVU, Louisville, and Cincinatti at the same time.

"Less greedy"? What??? The only motivation for any of these conferences to expand or not expand is money. Altruism is never a factor.

And today the Big 12's decision still boils down to "show me the money". If the TV guys piled a stack of cash on the table so high that it poked through the clouds, and told the Big 12 presidents, "All this money is yours if you add School X and School Y to your conference," then I guarantee School X and School Y would be invited. If there's no cash on the table or not enough, then no one will be invited now.

Greedy in the sense that they got to split the money 10 ways instead of 12.

If splitting the money 12 ways results in the same or a lower per-school payout, then having 10 instead of 12 isn't greedy, it's just handling the money wisely.

(12-27-2015 08:48 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:15 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:06 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:02 PM)jhn31 Wrote:  Maybe they shouldn't have gotten desperate and added West Virginia, a terrible cultural and geographic fit, just to have a 10th team...

They needed a 10th team to maintain their television deal. If they were smarter and less greedy they should have invited WVU, Louisville, and Cincinatti at the same time.

Louisville is glad they didn't...much happier in a much more geographical fit in the ACC...

Plus you guys excel in other sports played at a high level in the ACC

Exactly...currently Preseason #2 Nationally in Baseball...

(12-27-2015 08:53 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:32 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Stop reading after he said BYU is a favorite.

Is it fun to only read things that you want to hear?

It means Thamel didn't know what he was talking about.

If I had to pick the 11th and 12th, BYU would be easily #11. And BYU may well be invited if the Big 12 eventually expands. But right now they just aren't on the list. That's what Brett McMurphy says. That's what several anonymous Big 12 sources have indicated in the media. And its what the BYU fans believe as well.

So Cincy seems like a lock.

Get ready, there is a plan unfolding.

(12-27-2015 10:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  Get ready, there is a plan unfolding.

I love it when a plan comes together.

(12-27-2015 08:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:32 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  the B12 did consider Louisville, but Louisville did the honorable thing and didnt want to break its commitment to the BE with such short notice. WVU on the other hand was willing to do whatever it took to get out

Louisville hired Pitino and Petrino. Nuff said about "honor."

Yeah, Calipari is a real man of honor too !

I would just bring in UC, go to an eleven team format, play 8 conference games, top two in the title game. Don't add when there isn't value. UC brings the most value geographically and market wise.

Try to lure Mizzou back in the long run, or simply... wait it out until a program emerges.

(12-27-2015 10:57 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I would just bring in UC, go to an eleven team format, play 8 conference games, top two in the title game. Don't add when there isn't value. UC brings the most value geographically and market wise.

Try to lure Mizzou back in the long run, or simply... wait it out until a program emerges.

That would cost them money. Their TV contract is contingent on the playing nine conference games per team.

Assuming Big 12 expansion is actually coming, I could see Cincinnati added for all sports and BYU for football only. As I've pointed out before, a 12/11 model works fine for the MWC and the AAC and could work for the Big 12 as well. In terms of fan support and historical program strength Cincinnati and BYU are the two strongest football programs available, and limiting full membership to Cincinnati only would give WVU a travel partner while sparing conference members from having to send their Olympic sports teams to Provo.

If BYU is passed over I continue to think Cincinnati and Memphis will be the choices. Memphis football is improving and Tiger basketball would be a strong addition to an already formidable Big 12 lineup.

(12-27-2015 08:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  Brett McMurphy recently said that BYU wasn't under consideration. Nobody talks about UConn. Colorado St. has said they haven't been talked to. Thamel isn't talking to people who know what is going on.

Don't know about the other stuff but McMurphy certainly said that --- and said it with force.

(12-27-2015 09:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:53 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:32 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Stop reading after he said BYU is a favorite.

Is it fun to only read things that you want to hear?

It means Thamel didn't know what he was talking about.

If I had to pick the 11th and 12th, BYU would be easily #11. And BYU may well be invited if the Big 12 eventually expands. But right now they just aren't on the list. That's what Brett McMurphy says. That's what several anonymous Big 12 sources have indicated in the media. And its what the BYU fans believe as well.

The explanation could easily be that the Big 12 wants BYU, but knows they just won't make sense. That's a perfectly plausible reason for what Thamel was told, but jives with that BYU just isn't on a realistic list.

The Big 12 also said there will be no expansions to the west. That takes BYU off the table completely. The 11 and 12th teams would be on the east. Cincinnati and Memphis are the two strongest, and UCF, USF, East Carolina and Houston are next in line. I could see Colorado State as well since it is not far outside of the footprint. BYU would add another outlier like West Virginia is.

What makes anybody think that UT and OU have any interest in sharing money with the likes of UCF, BYU, or Colorado State?

(12-27-2015 11:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  What makes anybody think that UT and OU have any interest in sharing money with the likes of UCF, BYU, or Colorado State?

Why do you think they'd lose money?

(12-27-2015 11:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  Brett McMurphy recently said that BYU wasn't under consideration. Nobody talks about UConn. Colorado St. has said they haven't been talked to. Thamel isn't talking to people who know what is going on.

Don't know about the other stuff but McMurphy certainly said that --- and said it with force.

He also said expansion is not happening for 5-10 years.

(12-28-2015 12:11 AM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 11:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 08:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  Brett McMurphy recently said that BYU wasn't under consideration. Nobody talks about UConn. Colorado St. has said they haven't been talked to. Thamel isn't talking to people who know what is going on.

Don't know about the other stuff but McMurphy certainly said that --- and said it with force.

He also said expansion is not happening for 5-10 years.

Untrue --- here's the quote >>>

How likely is Big 12 expansion, and Memphis' inclusion when and if that happens?

McMurphy: "I think it’s more likely in five than two.

On BYU - the quote >>

The only thing I know for certain is that the Big 12 does not want to expand west. I’ve said that 100 times and I’ll say it 100 more. I know everybody talks about BYU, but everyone I talk to, all my sources, they tell me BYU is not an option. So then the question is, if the Big 12 does expand, who are the two teams they go toward?”

(12-27-2015 11:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 11:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  What makes anybody think that UT and OU have any interest in sharing money with the likes of UCF, BYU, or Colorado State?

Why do you think they'd lose money?

There is no immediate value to be added.

There is also the problem of the mismatch. How excited is a Texas fan base going to be to play UCF or BYU when they feel they need to be playing other major programs?

(12-28-2015 12:23 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 11:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-27-2015 11:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  What makes anybody think that UT and OU have any interest in sharing money with the likes of UCF, BYU, or Colorado State?

Why do you think they'd lose money?

There is no immediate value to be added.

There is also the problem of the mismatch. How excited is a Texas fan base going to be to play UCF or BYU when they feel they need to be playing other major programs?

Texas fans are spoil brats in thinking that way. What about Memphis? Very good basketball tradition and their football is on the rise.