(03-12-2016 03:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 10:40 PM)ULdave Wrote:  Playing ACC tourney in NC every year perpetuates the idea that ACC basketball is simply the UNC and Duke conference. The conference is much more than that, but still needs to find its national identity outside of that perception.

Your post piqued my curiosity, so I did a little research. Out of 62 ACC tournaments, a team from outside NC won a total of 12 times. Of those 12, the winner defeated UNC in the final 8 times, and Duke 3 times. Only in 1990, when Ga Tech beat Virginia, have both finalists been from outside NC.

So it's not hard to understand why the ACC might be perceived as the UNC and Duke conference when it comes to basketball. Football, not so much.

What? Teams with home field advantage win more often? Shocking.

(03-13-2016 09:14 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 03:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 10:40 PM)ULdave Wrote:  Playing ACC tourney in NC every year perpetuates the idea that ACC basketball is simply the UNC and Duke conference. The conference is much more than that, but still needs to find its national identity outside of that perception.

Your post piqued my curiosity, so I did a little research. Out of 62 ACC tournaments, a team from outside NC won a total of 12 times. Of those 12, the winner defeated UNC in the final 8 times, and Duke 3 times. Only in 1990, when Ga Tech beat Virginia, have both finalists been from outside NC.

So it's not hard to understand why the ACC might be perceived as the UNC and Duke conference when it comes to basketball. Football, not so much.

What? Teams with home field advantage win more often? Shocking.

Let's move it to the Yum Center, or corRUPPt arena even!

(03-13-2016 07:37 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 09:32 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 05:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  At the end of the day (literally), I'm less concerned about where the tournament is played as when it is played. I missed last night's Virginia-Miami game because it started so late, and I'll miss tonight's final for the same reason.

On the plus side, we'll probably get more viewers in the Mountain and Pacific time zones this way.

ken...staying up to 11pm is not that late

From where I was sitting, the game started at 10pm EDT. I'm sure I wouldn't have died if I got less than 8 hours sleep, but I sure as hell would have felt it this morning. If I know I'm not going to stay up until the game finishes, I have little interest in just watching the first half.

There were two P5 championship games last night. Seems like they could have scheduled the one in the eastern time zone at the same time as the Kansas-WVU game started in the central. But that demonstrates the Big 12's problem. They just don't have as many eyeballs as the east coast does. ESPN was probably afraid they would have lost a lot of their audience when the ACC game was over. They really don't care if they lose a few old codgers like me that aren't going to sleep in on a Sunday morning. We don't buy enough stuff.

Sadly it is about exposure...the ACC grabbed the Big East's old slot. It used to be considered that the Sunday afternoon spot was the best slot but the Big East Tourney just blew away others for excitement with the teams involved, the actual games, and the venue with the Saturday prime time slot.

(03-13-2016 09:30 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-13-2016 09:14 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-12-2016 03:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 10:40 PM)ULdave Wrote:  Playing ACC tourney in NC every year perpetuates the idea that ACC basketball is simply the UNC and Duke conference. The conference is much more than that, but still needs to find its national identity outside of that perception.

Your post piqued my curiosity, so I did a little research. Out of 62 ACC tournaments, a team from outside NC won a total of 12 times. Of those 12, the winner defeated UNC in the final 8 times, and Duke 3 times. Only in 1990, when Ga Tech beat Virginia, have both finalists been from outside NC.

So it's not hard to understand why the ACC might be perceived as the UNC and Duke conference when it comes to basketball. Football, not so much.

What? Teams with home field advantage win more often? Shocking.

Let's move it to the Yum Center, or corRUPPt arena even!

NC teams have won 9 of the 12 tournaments played outside the state of North Carolina. If one more basket had fallen in one of those three losses, their win % would be higher than it is when the tournament was played in NC. That home court advantage is a myth. The schools that have won did so because they were better, not because of where they were playing.

It wasn't the teams that got an advantage by having the tourney in Greensboro. It was the fans of the four ACC teams in the state. In the old days, when tickets were nearly impossible for the average middle class fan to get through his favorite school, those who lived nearby could always hang outside the arena after the first afternoon session and buy up the tickets from the guys dressed in orange as they came out. Fans of the schools that lost in the first round also lived close enough that they could cut their losses by checking out of their hotel early and still be home in time for dinner.

We all want the same thing. We all want the tournament close enough so that we can get to the games as our team advances. History of the venue doesn't matter. Seating capacity of the venue doesn't matter. Location of the venue doesn't matter. Whether you saw the Statue of Liberty or a Statue of Andy Griffith doesn't matter. If the tournament was held in a leaky tent with no walls and wooden benches, we would be happy as long as the tent was a mile down the road. Well, relatively happy.

Total miles to Greensboro for the original 8-team ACC was 1,136. That distance has swelled to 5,420 miles for the 15-team ACC. We need to break the tournament up into regional sites so fans can have access.

For an added distraction, if you add Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas that number jumps to 11,220 miles!

(03-14-2016 12:23 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  We all want the same thing. We all want the tournament close enough so that we can get to the games as our team advances. History of the venue doesn't matter. Seating capacity of the venue doesn't matter. Location of the venue doesn't matter. Whether you saw the Statue of Liberty or a Statue of Andy Griffith doesn't matter. If the tournament was held in a leaky tent with no walls and wooden benches, we would be happy as long as the tent was a mile down the road. Well, relatively happy.

Total miles to Greensboro for the original 8-team ACC was 1,136. That distance has swelled to 5,420 miles for the 15-team ACC. We need to break the tournament up into regional sites so fans can have access.

For an added distraction, if you add Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas that number jumps to 11,220 miles!

I totally agree.


?.....does this same logic apply to football? Other conf title locations?