(04-05-2016 12:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Remember this article is about Rice and CUSA. Rice has the highest academic standards in CUSA. Finding athletes that meet those academic standards and talented enough for FBS football makes them the hardest in CUSA to coach football. Sure Rice gets a good season now and then but it is not consistent. Finding 85 and even 100 players for college football like Rice is harder than any other sport Rice sponsors.

How many head football coaches has Rice fired since the SWC disbanded in 1995? I would offer that a school with much higher won-loss expectations, like Southern Mississippi, might be a harder job.

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Rice simply does not recruit student-athletes whom, by their established metrics, possess neither the potential nor aptitude to graduate THEIR curriculum. Nothing wrong with that. It does make it more difficult to recruit, but they are doing fine. Rice also does not admit non-qualifiers. I don't know if those are the "exceptions" of which you speak or not.

Wait a minute. Teams run the triple option because there are no qualified kids who can catch or throw a football??? Nebraska ran the triple option... WVU ran the Veer. Ohio ran the triple option. Doesn't GaSo run the option?

The Veer? I mean are you talking the 1970's? Today GT and the service academy's run the TO because they simply cannot find the 4 star linemen and skill position players that they can get enrolled. They have to rely on lower rated recruits. Now there are some highly regarded schools like Stanford that are able to get highly rated recruits enrolled. Not sure what they are doing different.

(04-05-2016 12:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Rice simply does not recruit student-athletes whom, by their established metrics, possess neither the potential nor aptitude to graduate THEIR curriculum. Nothing wrong with that. It does make it more difficult to recruit, but they are doing fine. Rice also does not admit non-qualifiers. I don't know if those are the "exceptions" of which you speak or not.

Wait a minute. Teams run the triple option because there are no qualified kids who can catch or throw a football??? Nebraska ran the triple option... WVU ran the Veer. Ohio ran the triple option. Doesn't GaSo run the option?

The Veer? I mean are you talking the 1970's? Today GT and the service academy's run the TO because they simply cannot find the 4 star linemen and skill position players that they can get enrolled. They have to rely on lower rated recruits. Now there are some highly regarded schools like Stanford that are able to get highly rated recruits enrolled. Not sure what they are doing different.

1. Athletics $$$$. 2. National recruiting (see 1). 3. P5 affiliation (helps 1). They also have a larger student body which allows you to "hide" some less qualified individuals like coach K does at Duke where he just has to keep the APR up. Larger student body also means more alums and fan support. Historic Rice stadium was until recently large enough to hold everyone that has ever attended Rice.

If you believe some posters on the Rice board the Stanford process used to allow a quicker acceptance of athletes because their department had better ties with admissions. I think that's leveled out now so Rice and Stanford are probably similar on admissions. Can't speak to Duke/Northwestern/Vandy but it would be interesting to hear what recruits for multiple schools in that group would say...

(04-05-2016 12:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Rice simply does not recruit student-athletes whom, by their established metrics, possess neither the potential nor aptitude to graduate THEIR curriculum. Nothing wrong with that. It does make it more difficult to recruit, but they are doing fine. Rice also does not admit non-qualifiers. I don't know if those are the "exceptions" of which you speak or not.

Wait a minute. Teams run the triple option because there are no qualified kids who can catch or throw a football??? Nebraska ran the triple option... WVU ran the Veer. Ohio ran the triple option. Doesn't GaSo run the option?

The Veer? I mean are you talking the 1970's? Today GT and the service academy's run the TO because they simply cannot find the 4 star linemen and skill position players that they can get enrolled. They have to rely on lower rated recruits. Now there are some highly regarded schools like Stanford that are able to get highly rated recruits enrolled. Not sure what they are doing different.

The service academies run the TO because the big linemen needed for more traditional offenses can't pass the PT requirements for being in a service academy. It has nothing to do with academics.

(04-05-2016 02:15 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 12:50 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Rice simply does not recruit student-athletes whom, by their established metrics, possess neither the potential nor aptitude to graduate THEIR curriculum. Nothing wrong with that. It does make it more difficult to recruit, but they are doing fine. Rice also does not admit non-qualifiers. I don't know if those are the "exceptions" of which you speak or not.

Wait a minute. Teams run the triple option because there are no qualified kids who can catch or throw a football??? Nebraska ran the triple option... WVU ran the Veer. Ohio ran the triple option. Doesn't GaSo run the option?

The Veer? I mean are you talking the 1970's? Today GT and the service academy's run the TO because they simply cannot find the 4 star linemen and skill position players that they can get enrolled. They have to rely on lower rated recruits. Now there are some highly regarded schools like Stanford that are able to get highly rated recruits enrolled. Not sure what they are doing different.

The service academies run the TO because the big linemen needed for more traditional offenses can't pass the PT requirements for being in a service academy. It has nothing to do with academics.

Semantics. Bottom line, a 4 star offensive player who ants to play at the next level is not signing with a service academy. Hence the offense.

Well, our coach is I believe the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference and the 2nd longest tenured. So can't be that hard.

(04-05-2016 02:43 PM)07owl Wrote:  Well, our coach is I believe the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference and the 2nd longest tenured. So can't be that hard.

Or it's so hard we have to pay a lot and still put up with mediocrity because we can't attract someone else.

(04-05-2016 05:39 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 02:43 PM)07owl Wrote:  Well, our coach is I believe the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference and the 2nd longest tenured. So can't be that hard.

Or it's so hard we have to pay a lot and still put up with mediocrity because we can't attract someone else.

So is it about the hardest job to fill or the hardest job to do?

(04-05-2016 10:43 PM)07owl Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 05:39 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 02:43 PM)07owl Wrote:  Well, our coach is I believe the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference and the 2nd longest tenured. So can't be that hard.

Or it's so hard we have to pay a lot and still put up with mediocrity because we can't attract someone else.

So is it about the hardest job to fill or the hardest job to do?

So everybody is saying that the odds are against Rice getting guys like this

(04-05-2016 10:43 PM)07owl Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 05:39 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 02:43 PM)07owl Wrote:  Well, our coach is I believe the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference and the 2nd longest tenured. So can't be that hard.

Or it's so hard we have to pay a lot and still put up with mediocrity because we can't attract someone else.

So is it about the hardest job to fill or the hardest job to do?

I think the reason its hard is that your a real academic private. Not just a social club for rich kids like many. You also have quite a difficult list of programs. you didnt add Phys Ed with a fancy name to have a place for ball players like ahhh tulane.

I can assure you that not all of Vandy's athletes are brilliant minds.

I knew a guy that had a degree from there, and he failed an entrance test to the company I was working for.

3/4 is what percent ? kind of questions, plus some reading comprehension

Also knew a C and D student at my high school that got in. Father was loaded and a Vandy alum.

Personally I can't see why people would say anything other that UAB just for the fact we've got a BOT/President who actively works against our university though for the time being that has been mitigated somewhat. Who's BOT/President actively works against them??? We have to literally fight for anything & everything just to try to compete w/ our peers while the BOT is actively doing more to support those peers than they are us.

(04-06-2016 04:14 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  I can assure you that not all of Vandy's athletes are brilliant minds.

I knew a guy that had a degree from there, and he failed an entrance test to the company I was working for.

3/4 is what percent ? kind of questions, plus some reading comprehension

Also knew a C and D student at my high school that got in. Father was loaded and a Vandy alum.

The toughest part of Vandy and Stanford is getting in. Sure there are tough majors there but there are also some easy ones.

Georgia Tech's problem is that every student has to take calculus and the easiest degree is business.

Calculus raped me.

And I voted Yes even though C-USA is too new (again) to determine a tough job. Rice has tough admission standards that hinder it, but it also has a recent title, and probably more brand appeal than any of the newbies. Rice is comfortable and content in C-USA. So is Bailiff I suppose.

(04-06-2016 06:27 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 04:14 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  I can assure you that not all of Vandy's athletes are brilliant minds.

I knew a guy that had a degree from there, and he failed an entrance test to the company I was working for.

3/4 is what percent ? kind of questions, plus some reading comprehension

Also knew a C and D student at my high school that got in. Father was loaded and a Vandy alum.

The toughest part of Vandy and Stanford is getting in. Sure there are tough majors there but there are also some easy ones.

Georgia Tech's problem is that every student has to take calculus and the easiest degree is business.

Almost all of the students I know from Vandy/Stanford/Rice, etc. took calculus before they got to college. If you haven't taken calculus in HS you better have other APs your school offers and state an intent to major something like English.

(04-06-2016 06:54 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Calculus raped me.

And I voted Yes even though C-USA is too new (again) to determine a tough job. Rice has tough admission standards that hinder it, but it also has a recent title, and probably more brand appeal than any of the newbies. Rice is comfortable and content in C-USA. So is Bailiff I suppose.

Not true.

(04-06-2016 07:45 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 06:27 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 04:14 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  I can assure you that not all of Vandy's athletes are brilliant minds.

I knew a guy that had a degree from there, and he failed an entrance test to the company I was working for.

3/4 is what percent ? kind of questions, plus some reading comprehension

Also knew a C and D student at my high school that got in. Father was loaded and a Vandy alum.

The toughest part of Vandy and Stanford is getting in. Sure there are tough majors there but there are also some easy ones.

Georgia Tech's problem is that every student has to take calculus and the easiest degree is business.

Almost all of the students I know from Vandy/Stanford/Rice, etc. took calculus before they got to college. If you haven't taken calculus in HS you better have other APs your school offers and state an intent to major something like English.

How many 4 and 5 star football players that do what you describe above is the problem for Ga Tech.

(04-06-2016 08:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 07:45 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 06:27 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 04:14 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  I can assure you that not all of Vandy's athletes are brilliant minds.

I knew a guy that had a degree from there, and he failed an entrance test to the company I was working for.

3/4 is what percent ? kind of questions, plus some reading comprehension

Also knew a C and D student at my high school that got in. Father was loaded and a Vandy alum.

The toughest part of Vandy and Stanford is getting in. Sure there are tough majors there but there are also some easy ones.

Georgia Tech's problem is that every student has to take calculus and the easiest degree is business.

Almost all of the students I know from Vandy/Stanford/Rice, etc. took calculus before they got to college. If you haven't taken calculus in HS you better have other APs your school offers and state an intent to major something like English.

How many 4 and 5 star football players that do what you describe above is the problem for Ga Tech.

O linemen???? Lots of those guys that are smart become engineers.

(04-05-2016 12:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Rice simply does not recruit student-athletes whom, by their established metrics, possess neither the potential nor aptitude to graduate THEIR curriculum. Nothing wrong with that. It does make it more difficult to recruit, but they are doing fine. Rice also does not admit non-qualifiers. I don't know if those are the "exceptions" of which you speak or not.

Wait a minute. Teams run the triple option because there are no qualified kids who can catch or throw a football??? Nebraska ran the triple option... WVU ran the Veer. Ohio ran the triple option. Doesn't GaSo run the option?

Yes. For the high academic schools and military academies (most at the G5 level) The triple option is the leveling factor. There aren't as many available QB's and WR's to compete at the high FBS level who meet stringent academic standards.

Remember this article is about Rice and CUSA. Rice has the highest academic standards in CUSA. Finding athletes that meet those academic standards and talented enough for FBS football makes them the hardest in CUSA to coach football. Sure Rice gets a good season now and then but it is not consistent. Finding 85 and even 100 players for college football like Rice is harder than any other sport Rice sponsors.

It doesn't help that they have 12 fans and the city doesn't care about the program.