(05-19-2016 10:41 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 06:46 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 06:23 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:16 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  You keep saying there are only 10 T1 games the B1G has. How many does the SC have? How many does each of the other P5's have? You also conveniently leave out any OOC games. 6 teams is almost half the league. How valuable is Vandy, UK, USC, Mizz, Ole Miss, MSU, UT or Arkansas? Looks like the SEC only has 6 too, plus FCS games.

SEC has a much stronger middle tier. Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Tennessee consistently deliver solid ratings. In 2015, the SEC had 8 different schools deliver 3 or more games with 3M+ viewership. Texas A&M, Mississippi St., and South Carolina can also deliver high rating games, but not as consistently. Only Vanderbilt and Kentucky drag down the conference and don't provide any significant ratings unless they're playing one of the top dogs.

In the B1G, 6 schools had 3 or more games with 3M+ viewers. The B1G top tier is competitive with the SEC top tier. However, the 2015 B1G bottom wrung included 5 schools - Maryland, Purdue, Illinois, Rutgers, and Northwestern - who had 2 or fewer games with 1M+ viewership - and those 1M+ viewer games entirely involved one of the upper echelon schools.

ESPN doesn't want the B1G's garbage games and isn't willing to pay $20M per game for the best that the B1G has to offer. ESPN still has top SEC, ACC, PAC, and Big 12 inventory and can replace B1G matchups with one of the mid-level SEC contests. ESPN also has the AAC, Boise St., and BYU matchups that could easily fill in scheduling holes that come up. Navy-Houston, BYU-UConn, Cincy-Memphis, and even Temple-SMU outperformed a lot of P5 v. P5 matchups, not to mention Ole Miss-Memphis, Boise St.-Virginia, UConn-Missouri and similar games.

Fox gets half of the Pac and XII games. Unlike the B1G last year the SEC has it's own national showcase every year on CBS. The B1G will have that now with the new Fox deal and then we can compare the TV ratings.

As for beating Arkansas twice you have to remember that Petrino had just pulled his motorcycle mama routine and some putz of a Big 10 coach ran the program in the ground for two years. Now a good Big 10 coach is building it back up. Other than that about all Rutgers has swept lately is the locker room.

And Rotsa Ruck with the FS1 ratings and yes I'll be happy to compare those to CBS.

Why is it that the chirpiest fan boys on the boards are always from schools who were lucky to escape certain slow death in the Big East or AAC? In the ACC they are some of the Louisville fans. In the Big 12 they are some of the West Virginia fans. And now here is a Rutgers fan getting chirpy. I tell ya it's epidemic. In fairness however I have noticed on other boards that some of the chirpiest SEC posters are Missouri fans. I think it is a sustained trend!

He lost all credibility when he questioned Tennessee's TV value.

Yep, they are going to play the Hokies in front of 150,000 fans because they have no appeal and can't draw flies on TV. (Sarcasm intended.)

(05-19-2016 10:16 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  You keep saying there are only 10 T1 games the B1G has. How many does the SC have? ... 6 teams is almost half the league. How valuable is Vandy, UK, USC, Mizz, Ole Miss, MSU, UT or Arkansas?

You mean the UT in Knoxville? Really?

I'm thinking you have a recency bias here ... when the Vols are firing on all cylinders, they are worth serious money. Heck, even when they aren't firing on all cylinders, they are worth more money than their record would suggest.

Don't get so tied up in constructing an argument that you start believing in implausible assumptions that make it easier to reach your conclusion.

(05-19-2016 08:59 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 11:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  For the record, here are the clear Tier 1 national games in the ACC:

1. Ole Miss vs. FSU
2. Penn St @ Pitt
3. Va Tech vs. Tenn
4. Notre Dame vs Syracuse
5. FSU @ Miami
6. Clemson @ FSU
7. Florida @ FSU

Miami @ VT and VT @ Pitt could be big games, depending on records of the teams - but I didn't count them.

Rights to VT and Miami @ Notre Dame belong to ND. Clemson @ Auburn and UNC vs. Georgia belong to the SEC, I think. Ole Miss vs. FSU should be ACC. No idea about VT/TN. Sometimes it's hard to tell with neutral site games.

So I'm giving the nod to the Big Ten this year as having more "big games" than the ACC by a small margin.

A lot of ACC games have huge numbers on the East Coast (e.g. FSU/Louisville or GT/Clemson), but may not draw much outside of the Eastern Time Zone. Of course, that's not too unlike the Big Ten, which draws great in the Midwest.

In week 6 Notre Dame is at NC State and both could be undefeated and if so that would likely be a near Tier 1 game since ND has never beaten NC State. NC State has the easier chore to get by Wake Forest and East Carolina, while ND must get past Texas and Michigan State.

Should State win that game with ND, the game next week with Clemson would also rise to near Tier 1 if State and the Tigers are both undefeated going in to week 7. What's more likely is that State loses to ECU or WF and beats ND or Clemson achieving nothing.

While that is true, that is a streak of......one game in the history of history.

That game was the 2003 Gator Bowl.

I believe the UNC - UGA game belongs to the ACC since last year's Chick-fil-a Kickoff Classic was televised by CBS.
Also, this year, I'd put UofL-FSU and UofL-Clemson games should be in the 8,9 slots for Tier 1.

(05-19-2016 11:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  For the record, here are the clear Tier 1 national games in the ACC:

1. Ole Miss vs. FSU
2. Penn St @ Pitt
3. Va Tech vs. Tenn
4. Notre Dame vs Syracuse
5. FSU @ Miami
6. Clemson @ FSU
7. Florida @ FSU

Miami @ VT and VT @ Pitt could be big games, depending on records of the teams - but I didn't count them.

Rights to VT and Miami @ Notre Dame belong to ND. Clemson @ Auburn and UNC vs. Georgia belong to the SEC, I think. Ole Miss vs. FSU should be ACC. No idea about VT/TN. Sometimes it's hard to tell with neutral site games.

So I'm giving the nod to the Big Ten this year as having more "big games" than the ACC by a small margin.

A lot of ACC games have huge numbers on the East Coast (e.g. FSU/Louisville or GT/Clemson), but may not draw much outside of the Eastern Time Zone. Of course, that's not too unlike the Big Ten, which draws great in the Midwest.

(05-20-2016 09:36 AM)Villecard Wrote:  I believe the UNC - UGA game belongs to the ACC since last year's Chick-fil-a Kickoff Classic was televised by CBS.
Also, this year, I'd put UofL-FSU and UofL-Clemson games should be in the 8,9 slots for Tier 1.

I was under the impression that the SEC owns the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff game - period. However, I don't know that for a fact; if anyone knows more I'd love to hear it. Finally, I was tempted to count those UL games, but hesitated. You may be right.

At any rate, my point was that the Big Ten Tier 1 TV rights might be worth a little more than ACC rights, but it's not some huge difference IMO. I think TV ratings also bear that out.

(05-20-2016 12:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 09:36 AM)Villecard Wrote:  I believe the UNC - UGA game belongs to the ACC since last year's Chick-fil-a Kickoff Classic was televised by CBS.
Also, this year, I'd put UofL-FSU and UofL-Clemson games should be in the 8,9 slots for Tier 1.

I was under the impression that the SEC owns the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff game - period. However, I don't know that for a fact; if anyone knows more I'd love to hear it. Finally, I was tempted to count those UL games, but hesitated. You may be right.

At any rate, my point was that the Big Ten Tier 1 TV rights might be worth a little more than ACC rights, but it's not some huge difference IMO. I think TV ratings also bear that out.

I'm certainly no expert on it, but I was under the impression that Chic-fil-a wanted a bowl match up between the SEC & ACC since that is the largest part of their prime marketing area. I'm fairly certain the revenues are divided equally. I don't think either conference has the upper hand with this bowl.

(05-20-2016 08:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 09:36 AM)Villecard Wrote:  I believe the UNC - UGA game belongs to the ACC since last year's Chick-fil-a Kickoff Classic was televised by CBS.
Also, this year, I'd put UofL-FSU and UofL-Clemson games should be in the 8,9 slots for Tier 1.

I was under the impression that the SEC owns the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff game - period. However, I don't know that for a fact; if anyone knows more I'd love to hear it. Finally, I was tempted to count those UL games, but hesitated. You may be right.

At any rate, my point was that the Big Ten Tier 1 TV rights might be worth a little more than ACC rights, but it's not some huge difference IMO. I think TV ratings also bear that out.

I'm certainly no expert on it, but I was under the impression that Chic-fil-a wanted a bowl match up between the SEC & ACC since that is the largest part of their prime marketing area. I'm fairly certain the revenues are divided equally. I don't think either conference has the upper hand with this bowl.

I think you two are talking about 2 different games.

(05-20-2016 09:12 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 09:36 AM)Villecard Wrote:  I believe the UNC - UGA game belongs to the ACC since last year's Chick-fil-a Kickoff Classic was televised by CBS.
Also, this year, I'd put UofL-FSU and UofL-Clemson games should be in the 8,9 slots for Tier 1.

I was under the impression that the SEC owns the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff game - period. However, I don't know that for a fact; if anyone knows more I'd love to hear it. Finally, I was tempted to count those UL games, but hesitated. You may be right.

At any rate, my point was that the Big Ten Tier 1 TV rights might be worth a little more than ACC rights, but it's not some huge difference IMO. I think TV ratings also bear that out.

I'm certainly no expert on it, but I was under the impression that Chic-fil-a wanted a bowl match up between the SEC & ACC since that is the largest part of their prime marketing area. I'm fairly certain the revenues are divided equally. I don't think either conference has the upper hand with this bowl.

I think you two are talking about 2 different games.

We are, but I think the parameters of both are essentially the same.

(05-20-2016 12:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I was under the impression that the SEC owns the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff game - period. However, I don't know that for a fact; if anyone knows more I'd love to hear it.

The Chick-Fil-A Kickoff Game is owned by the same company that owns the Peach Bowl... "Peach Bowl, Inc."

http://www.chick-fil-apeachbowlchallenge...nge/about/

Quote:About Peach Bowl, Inc.

Peach Bowl, Inc. is the 501( c)3 organization that owns and operates the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl, Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game, Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl Challenge charity golf tournament, manages the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award and was the original recruiter and founding sponsor of the new College Football Hall of Fame in Atlanta. PBI was originally founded by the Georgia Lion’s Club in 1967 and hosted its first NCAA-sanctioned Peach Bowl game in Atlanta in 1968.

(05-18-2016 12:22 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Great news for the B1G and bad news for the Big 12 and ACC. With the B1G going to a new network, that means that network will assist the B1G with expansion into new markets, new footprint and go after major brands.

Hello Texas. Hello Oklahoma. Hello Florida State. Hello the states of Virginia and North Carolina.

First thing though is to finish the TV deal. That will be done sometime this summer.

Why on earth would they settle their television contract and then expand? Some of you people are straight up batshitt crazy.

(05-21-2016 01:53 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 12:22 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Great news for the B1G and bad news for the Big 12 and ACC. With the B1G going to a new network, that means that network will assist the B1G with expansion into new markets, new footprint and go after major brands.

Hello Texas. Hello Oklahoma. Hello Florida State. Hello the states of Virginia and North Carolina.

First thing though is to finish the TV deal. That will be done sometime this summer.

Why on earth would they settle their television contract and then expand? Some of you people are straight up batshitt crazy.

Aint no reason. Working on a six year deal does suggest that there could be an expansion toward the end of that period, but signing a deal and then immediately watering it down by 12.5% to 22.2% doesn't make much commercial sense.

I think some people might get their thinking confused by the payoff in BTN carriage fees from adding Rutgers & Maryland, but that was an artifact of the terms of the contracts signed with major cable companies and the BTN, which is a very different context than the main media rights deal.

And some people are caught up in imaginary games of Conference Realignment Risk, and so they view a numbers attached to the media deal as "opening up" a "move", when it is much more like being the object of the moves being made.