Other than NC State winning a ball game, nothing tickles me more than watching UNC lose, especially to Duke or WF. I like to watch Ohio State and Alabama lose. I like to watch anyone stomp a mudhole in Meeeecheeghan. I love to watch the NY Yankees lose. I love to watch the Dallas Cowboys lose. Who I enjoying hating is as important as who I chose to support. Like most Americans, I will root for the underdog. I pull for Duke Football, but when they take the basketball court, I would rather undergo a colonoscopy than root for Duke, and I LIKE K, and I LIKE Duke University. I also like the University that is UNC-Ch and annually donate my money and will happily sit in the Dean Dome and root for Clemson as surrounding folks think we must have alzheimers.

The biggest problems with Rutgers is that you have no history of being worth a damn in a sport for the past two generations. You don't even have glory days to remember. If they don't hate you, and they don't love you, you are just meh and you don't turn on televisions. As many people listen to Donald Trump or Howard Stern or Rush Limbaugh because they hate them as they like them. Same applies to sports.

(06-06-2016 09:41 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 08:38 AM)krup Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 03:43 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 02:11 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Rutgers does not add a substantial new geography that is not already hit by a combination of Syracuse, Duke, Notre Dame, and Pitt. New Jersey is essentially a suburb of Philadelphia and NYC as those media markets dominate the State. You don't have to have a physical presence if the boarder striding metropolitan area broadcasts into the state, as Charlotte does for Clemson into NC and UNC and NC State into SC. If the ACC received revenue based on cable tv boxes, things would be different regarding Rutgers. Also keep in mind that Rutgers sports are terrible and that FSU, Clemson, NC State, GT, and VT are not thrilled about playing them every year as NJ is not that great a recruiting hot bed.

UConn and Cincy have this same problem regarding the ACC.

All of this is best shown with the ESPN/ABC broadcast split maps. With rare exception what is on in Boston, is what is on in all of New England. What is on in NYC is on in the entire Tri-State area. What is on in Philly is on in NJ and PA.

What makes MD so lucrative for the B10 is that the geography of the area is such that MD is appealing in NOVA, the panhandle of WVa, Delmarva, DC, and MD to Wilmington, DE. While the ACC lost this property, Pitt, VT, and UVa remain acceptable broadcast choices in those areas.

For a conference how many teams do they need in a particular area for that conference to achieve the ratings necessary to make money for ESPN, the networks, and the school? At least one? Two is nice. At three do you reach diminishing returns?

It's this phenomena that makes NC State or WF more potentially valuable to the SEC, B10, or B12 than they can be for the ACC. Same way that Michigan State or Purdue would generate more value for the SEC, ACC, or B12 than they do for the B10. K-State and Oklahoma State are certainly of more value to the SEC, than they are to the B12.

Oddly enough, West Virginia is right where they should be generating the most value for the B12 as their value is much less in the ACC due to Pitt, VT, Louisville, and UVa, or in the B10 due to Ohio State, Penn State and MD. That's why if the B12 breaks up, they have the highest net value to the SEC, same as if look at an Iowa State, which has no value to the B10, but would have value to the SEC or ACC - not a huge value, but value over their worth in the B10.

What the heck are you talking about? Syracuse is 6 hours away from NYC by car and is not even close to carrying the market. ND has some band wagon fans but doesn't command the market, same with Duke and Pitt is pretty far from Philly and has little pull in that market as well. You are completely pulling these ideas from your rear end.

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index....lphia.html

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...1SNuBQrKRs

Syracuse is at most 3.5 hours away from NYC, depending on traffic. No one school carries NYC, but SU does have quite a few fans there and alumni.

Maryland and Penn State are closer to NYC than Syracuse is. Syracuse is two TV markets away from NYC. I'm sure the Ottawa market is big into the Orange, though.

Were Maryland and Penn State involved in the two highest rated regular season bb games in NYC history? Syracuse was.
Heres one example:

The telecast also set records in Buffalo (6.7 local rating) and New York City (2.8 rating), ranking as ESPN’s highest-rated regular-season men’s college hoops game in both markets (records date back to 2002).


Cuse/Duke NYC Ratings

No, but Maryland has the honor of playing against NC State in what has been called the greatest basketball game ever played.

(06-06-2016 10:37 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 09:41 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 08:38 AM)krup Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 03:43 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  What the heck are you talking about? Syracuse is 6 hours away from NYC by car and is not even close to carrying the market. ND has some band wagon fans but doesn't command the market, same with Duke and Pitt is pretty far from Philly and has little pull in that market as well. You are completely pulling these ideas from your rear end.

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index....lphia.html

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...1SNuBQrKRs

Syracuse is at most 3.5 hours away from NYC, depending on traffic. No one school carries NYC, but SU does have quite a few fans there and alumni.

Maryland and Penn State are closer to NYC than Syracuse is. Syracuse is two TV markets away from NYC. I'm sure the Ottawa market is big into the Orange, though.

Were Maryland and Penn State involved in the two highest rated regular season bb games in NYC history? Syracuse was.
Heres one example:

The telecast also set records in Buffalo (6.7 local rating) and New York City (2.8 rating), ranking as ESPN’s highest-rated regular-season men’s college hoops game in both markets (records date back to 2002).


Cuse/Duke NYC Ratings

No, but Maryland has the honor of playing against NC State in what has been called the greatest basketball game ever played.

Really...I thought it was Cuse/UConn 6OT game at MSG?

No college basketball team captures NYC's heart like Cuse, Duke, UConn or a good SJU.

(06-06-2016 09:24 AM)krup Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 08:56 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 08:38 AM)krup Wrote:  Maryland and Penn State are closer to NYC than Syracuse is. Syracuse is two TV markets away from NYC. I'm sure the Ottawa market is big into the Orange, though.

I do not claim to know who is most popular there, but there are many schools that are hours away from major metropolitan areas, that are said to be the most popular team in that city. Is that that different than the University of Tennessee in regards to Nashville or Memphis? the University of Texas with regards to Houston or Dallas? The University of Florida and the major south Florida cities? How about Penn State and Philadelphia or Pittsburgh for that matter? How is this any different? Just because the name is "Syracuse" and not "New York University?"

"there are many schools that are hours away from major metropolitan areas, that are said to be the most popular team in that city". Syracuse isn't one of them. If you think Syracuse's popularity in NYC is remotely close to Penn State's in Philadelphia, you are delusional.

Ovbiously you not only missed the point of my post, while directly contradicting the very point you just tried to make. A rare double fail.

(06-06-2016 08:20 AM)nole Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 10:26 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 10:09 PM)nole Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:12 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://allthingsfsu.blogspot.com/2016/06...r.html?m=1

Quote from the piece:

"For anyone who thought FSU "got something" in exchange for this deal, this Agreement does not bear that out. There are no special rights in there. Every school is treated the same (except ND). The integration clause makes it darn clear that no previous deals related to the GoR survive the execution of the Agreement. FSU would have a very hard time ever claiming it signed this thinking it was getting something more from the Conference."

Keep in mind....the GOR didn't give FSU anything.

But FSU's BOT members have CLEARLY stated, publicly, they were promised things that were not delivered to sign.

Swofford basically made promises verbally to get them to sign....didn't' put it in writing....and they signed the GOR.

It's irrelevant. Unless they are documented within the 4 corners of the document, any verbal assurances (to the extent that they even exist) are completely irrelevant here. As the FSU blogger noted, the GOR agreement has a boilerplate clause stating that all other prior agreements and statements are superseded and replaced by the terms of that GOR agreement, so a party cannot go back and do what you're saying (e.g. "They told me this verbally to get me to sign!"). It cannot be made clear enough: VERBAL ASSURANCES ARE WORTHLESS HERE.

Frank,
Nobody is disputing that.

What everybody is missing is.....How does this info impact the future?

The GOR isn't 100 years. It has 10 more years. ACC won't wait for 10 more years to get an extension. I bet they are strategizing now how to get it extended. You can bet ESPN wants a GOR extension if it adds an ACC Network.

So again, what EVERYBODY is missing is....what happens when ESPN/Swofford go to FSU and say 'we are getting $3 million a year per team for an internet ACC Network (ie a very weak conference network) and we expect you to sign a GOR extension until 2035". What does FSU's BOT do then?

We sit tight and wait on the SEC offer.

2027

SEC West Nine conference games (7 divisional)

Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Louisiana State
Missouri
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M

SEC East

Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

ACC North Nine conference games (7 divisional)

Boston College
Cincinnati
Louisville
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech

ACC South

Central Florida
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
South Florida
Wake Forest


Big 12 North 8 conference games (5 divisional)

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

Big 12 South

Baylor
Houston
Memphis
Texas
Texas Christian
Texas Tech

NOT.

GONNA

HAPPEN

(06-05-2016 05:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 04:32 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 03:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  The reason the B10 makes so much money is that the alumni and fans of Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, and Michigan State heavily saturate the northeast and they have over twice as many alums as the ACC, and have had more alums for the past 100 years. The Big 10 gets more money not because of anything that happened this year, last year, or the decade before - the Big 10 gets more money due to socioeconomic factors that developed in hand with industrialization, and World Wars I and II. The reason they can support a 100K seat football stadium is because of the number of alumni and students in addition to the "quality" of their football.

Those same socio-economic factors (investment, business climate, migration, educated and skilled work force) that favored the Northeast and the Midwest 100 years ago should now favor the South. I imagine in 50 years the large public schools in the South (primarily the Southeast) will be on par with the Big Ten schools in terms of enrollment, endowment and academic status.

Most of the ACC schools already superior to B1G schools in academic status. But as far as enrollment, it just will never happen.
Just after WWII, Carolina had fewer than 6,000 students. When I graduated in 1971 just under 11,000. Now there are about 18,000 UG students. None of us will ever live to see the day when there are as many living Carolina alumni as there are alumni from Wisconsin, Michigan or Ohio State.
Carolina, UVa, Clemson, Georgia Tech which are small public Universities that operate like privates will never have the alumni base of any B1G school (except Northwestern).

Um, no

(06-06-2016 03:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  Most of the ACC schools already superior to B1G schools in academic status.

Um, no

Please forgive our UNC fans, they tend to get confused about academics...

(06-06-2016 08:20 AM)nole Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 10:26 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 10:09 PM)nole Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:12 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  http://allthingsfsu.blogspot.com/2016/06...r.html?m=1

Quote from the piece:

"For anyone who thought FSU "got something" in exchange for this deal, this Agreement does not bear that out. There are no special rights in there. Every school is treated the same (except ND). The integration clause makes it darn clear that no previous deals related to the GoR survive the execution of the Agreement. FSU would have a very hard time ever claiming it signed this thinking it was getting something more from the Conference."

Keep in mind....the GOR didn't give FSU anything.

But FSU's BOT members have CLEARLY stated, publicly, they were promised things that were not delivered to sign.

Swofford basically made promises verbally to get them to sign....didn't' put it in writing....and they signed the GOR.

It's irrelevant. Unless they are documented within the 4 corners of the document, any verbal assurances (to the extent that they even exist) are completely irrelevant here. As the FSU blogger noted, the GOR agreement has a boilerplate clause stating that all other prior agreements and statements are superseded and replaced by the terms of that GOR agreement, so a party cannot go back and do what you're saying (e.g. "They told me this verbally to get me to sign!"). It cannot be made clear enough: VERBAL ASSURANCES ARE WORTHLESS HERE.

Frank,
Nobody is disputing that.

What everybody is missing is.....How does this info impact the future?

The GOR isn't 100 years. It has 10 more years. ACC won't wait for 10 more years to get an extension. I bet they are strategizing now how to get it extended. You can bet ESPN wants a GOR extension if it adds an ACC Network.

So again, what EVERYBODY is missing is....what happens when ESPN/Swofford go to FSU and say 'we are getting $3 million a year per team for an internet ACC Network (ie a very weak conference network) and we expect you to sign a GOR extension until 2035". What does FSU's BOT do then?

Methinks you hit the nail on the head. IMO, this is why the head honchos in Greensboro are working overtime to get a network. If they did orally promise a network and can't come through... FSU with righteous indignation can say Eff those liars on Tobacco road. I don't think they sign another GOR seeing how they got screwed over the first time.
I'm a B1G guy so obviously I'd like to see us offer them a spot along with Georgia Tech but the real question I have is did the ACC come through with their oral assurances. Frank is right they are meaningless, BUT only meaningless for at most 10 more years.

(06-06-2016 04:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 03:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  Most of the ACC schools already superior to B1G schools in academic status.

Um, no

Please forgive our UNC fans, they tend to get confused about academics...

Actually, I think he's right. The ACC average is slightly lower because of UL, but the median was better last time I checked. The Ivy League aside, the ACC is the premier major academic conference.

(06-06-2016 08:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 03:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  Most of the ACC schools already superior to B1G schools in academic status.

Um, no

Please forgive our UNC fans, they tend to get confused about academics...

Actually, I think he's right. The ACC average is slightly lower because of UL, but the median was better last time I checked. The Ivy League aside, the ACC is the premier major academic conference.

FYI, the B1G cares primarily about graduate level research. Undergraduate rankings are not meaningless but carry FAR less weight than research in the eyes of the B1G. I'm not trying to knock any academic institutions but take Notre Dame... they are spectacular as an institution, especially undergrad. But due in no small part to Religious beliefs do not partake in certain research areas that are "the thing" nowadays such as stem cell research.
The B1G is more accurately described as an elite consortium of research schools. It's impossible with the state mission of most of these schools to be as selective as a private school. There are just too many students accepted at a much higher ratio than say Wake Forest. And selectivity goes into the formulas that calculate scho rankings. All that said... focus on research dollars and it becomes clear why the B1G is considered the top academic conference and it also becomes clearer who potential candidates are.

(06-06-2016 08:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 03:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  Most of the ACC schools already superior to B1G schools in academic status.

Um, no

Please forgive our UNC fans, they tend to get confused about academics...

Actually, I think he's right. The ACC average is slightly lower because of UL, but the median was better last time I checked. The Ivy League aside, the ACC is the premier major academic conference.

It depends on the metrics. Big is superior in research and endowments. ACC schools tend to be smaller and more selective. Tradition though? Fans all over the world know about the Big House & hail to the victors, the Ohio St and all the old money huge state schools of the Big 10. When one here's the words Miami, Pittsburgh and Louisville one thinks of the Dolphins, Steelers and pizza respectively.
Cheers!

(06-06-2016 09:10 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 08:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 03:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  Most of the ACC schools already superior to B1G schools in academic status.

Um, no

Please forgive our UNC fans, they tend to get confused about academics...

Actually, I think he's right. The ACC average is slightly lower because of UL, but the median was better last time I checked. The Ivy League aside, the ACC is the premier major academic conference.

FYI, the B1G cares primarily about graduate level research. Undergraduate rankings are not meaningless but carry FAR less weight than research in the eyes of the B1G. I'm not trying to knock any academic institutions but take Notre Dame... they are spectacular as an institution, especially undergrad. But due in no small part to Religious beliefs do not partake in certain research areas that are "the thing" nowadays such as stem cell research.
The B1G is more accurately described as an elite consortium of research schools. It's impossible with the state mission of most of these schools to be as selective as a private school. There are just too many students accepted at a much higher ratio than say Wake Forest. And selectivity goes into the formulas that calculate scho rankings. All that said... focus on research dollars and it becomes clear why the B1G is considered the top academic conference and it also becomes clearer who potential candidates are.

FYI - You're wrong and drinking Kool Aid.

Research prowess and academic prowess are two different things. Yes, the B1G is the premier major research conference (other than the Ivy League), but that is A) close to meaningless to the vast majority of the students involved, and B) irrelevant to the claim that the ACC has better academics. It's just a stupid B1G talking point that's used to secure state funding because it shows that the schools are accomplishing their various mission statements that often (if not usually) consist of improving the quality of lives for the residents in the school's state - including the vast majority of which who A) will never get a degree from that school and B) won't ever step on that school's campus. In reality, that lack of student focus is why many B1G schools have a "meh" academic reputation in much of the country (see "degree mill" references to almost every B1G school).

For the reasons that you listed (or at least that were implied by your post), it's clear that the ACC is the premier major academic conference (other than the Ivy League). It is the most selective, it is the most student-focused, and it is far and away the most focused on providing quality educations (academics).

And before you tell me that I'm "jealous," "don't understand the B1G," or something along those lines, I went to Penn State.

(06-06-2016 09:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 08:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 03:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  Most of the ACC schools already superior to B1G schools in academic status.

Um, no

Please forgive our UNC fans, they tend to get confused about academics...

Actually, I think he's right. The ACC average is slightly lower because of UL, but the median was better last time I checked. The Ivy League aside, the ACC is the premier major academic conference.

It depends on the metrics. Big is superior in research and endowments. ACC schools tend to be smaller and more selective. Tradition though? Fans all over the world know about the Big House & hail to the victors, the Ohio St and all the old money huge state schools of the Big 10. When one here's the words Miami, Pittsburgh and Louisville one thinks of the Dolphins, Steelers and pizza respectively.
Cheers!

There's a difference between fan support and academic prestige. I can pretty much guarantee that the average football fan thinks of the Chicago Bears before the Univetsity of Chicago when they hear "Chicago." I can also guarantee that the vast majority of B1G grads couldn't get into Chicago, won't get paid as much as Chicago grads, and won't have the job opportunities/choices of Chicago grads. The fact that every serious CFB fan knows who the "Children of the Corn" are and I can't name Chicago's nickname doesn't change the fact that Chicago has better academics.

(Use NYU if you want another example - I have yet to meet a NYU grad that even knows if they field sports teams for sure.)

(06-06-2016 10:02 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 09:10 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 08:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 03:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Um, no

Please forgive our UNC fans, they tend to get confused about academics...

Actually, I think he's right. The ACC average is slightly lower because of UL, but the median was better last time I checked. The Ivy League aside, the ACC is the premier major academic conference.

FYI, the B1G cares primarily about graduate level research. Undergraduate rankings are not meaningless but carry FAR less weight than research in the eyes of the B1G. I'm not trying to knock any academic institutions but take Notre Dame... they are spectacular as an institution, especially undergrad. But due in no small part to Religious beliefs do not partake in certain research areas that are "the thing" nowadays such as stem cell research.
The B1G is more accurately described as an elite consortium of research schools. It's impossible with the state mission of most of these schools to be as selective as a private school. There are just too many students accepted at a much higher ratio than say Wake Forest. And selectivity goes into the formulas that calculate scho rankings. All that said... focus on research dollars and it becomes clear why the B1G is considered the top academic conference and it also becomes clearer who potential candidates are.

FYI - You're wrong and drinking Kool Aid.

Research prowess and academic prowess are two different things. Yes, the B1G is the premier major research conference (other than the Ivy League), but that is A) close to meaningless to the vast majority of the students involved, and B) irrelevant to the claim that the ACC has better academics. It's just a stupid B1G talking point that's used to secure state funding because it shows that the schools are accomplishing their various mission statements that often (if not usually) consist of improving the quality of lives for the residents in the school's state - including the vast majority of which who A) will never get a degree from that school and B) won't ever step on that school's campus. In reality, that lack of student focus is why the B1G has a "meh" academic reputation in much of the country (see "degree mill" references to almost every B1G school).

For the reasons that you listed (or at least that were implied by your post), it's clear that the ACC is the premier major academic conference (other than the Ivy League). It is the most selective, it is the most student-focused, and it is far and away the most focused on academics.

And before you tell me that I'm jealous, ldon't understand the B1G," or something along those lines, I went to Penn State.

Reading ink out of a textbook isn't as good of an education compared to research opportunities to go with the ink reading.

The B1G is regarded as the top non-Ivy academic conference in the nation for various reasons and one of them is the political power in D.C. and the CIC.

Out of the top 50 schools in the nation for 2016, The B1G has 3 schools and an affiliate member and the ACC has 3 schools and an affiliate.

Facts.

(06-06-2016 10:09 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 09:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 08:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 03:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Um, no

Please forgive our UNC fans, they tend to get confused about academics...

Actually, I think he's right. The ACC average is slightly lower because of UL, but the median was better last time I checked. The Ivy League aside, the ACC is the premier major academic conference.

It depends on the metrics. Big is superior in research and endowments. ACC schools tend to be smaller and more selective. Tradition though? Fans all over the world know about the Big House & hail to the victors, the Ohio St and all the old money huge state schools of the Big 10. When one here's the words Miami, Pittsburgh and Louisville one thinks of the Dolphins, Steelers and pizza respectively.
Cheers!

There's a difference between fan support and academic prestige. I can pretty much guarantee that the average football fan thinks of the Chicago Bears before the Univetsity of Chicago when they hear "Chicago." I can also guarantee that the vast majority of B1G grads couldn't get into Chicago, won't get paid as much as Chicago grads, and won't have the job opportunities/choices of Chicago grads. The fact that every serious CFB fan knows who the "Children of the Corn" are and I can't name Chicago's nickname doesn't change the fact that Chicago has better academics.

(Use NYU if you want another example - I have yet to meet a NYU grad that even knows if they field sports teams for sure.)

I get that. My Grandma used to tell me about her brother who played football at his Ivy League school. I just found out that he actually played lacrosse or something else. As my Grandma put it, "I thought they were the same thing" yeah, not all gramma's know what college football is. I forgive her. Her Dad was born in Denmark. They have other interests apparently.
Cheers!

Goodness gracious.

Research numbers are well known and easily found. In fact, here they are (FY14 is the latest year with data):
https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html...ST_18.html (all sources)
https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html...ST_22.html (federal only)

The ACC is a very good research conference, considering the likes of UNC, Duke, Pitt and GT. But, factually, the Big Ten is higher.

And the Ivy is of course very good, but not head and shoulders over the ACC or Big Ten. In fact, if you average over their lower research schools in the Ivy, it might not even be first. But it probably still is, without actually doing the math myself (my guess).