No matter how the ACC chooses to do the 9 game set up it is a good thing!

(06-09-2016 08:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 07:41 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 11:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If the goal is more quality inventory, I'd MUCH prefer this:
- 8 conference games + 2 required P5 OOC games
- 1 can be against another ACC team if desired, but it won't count in conference standings.

That way teams who want to play 9 ACC teams + 1 OOC can do it,
and teams that want 8 ACC + 2 true OOC games can do that.

Either way, ESPN gets plent of quality games this way.

Looking at FBS Scheduling for GT anyways...the 9 game ACC is a good thing and the three NON would be

FCS (always a home game)
ND or G5/P5 home and home series
UGA

So a 9 game ACC schedule really would be a good thing..

In years when that "ND or G5/P5 home and home" is a road game you would only have 6 home games that year. THAT is the issue for some teams.

Exactly, so say goodbye to home and homes like Clemson-Georgia, FSU-Oklahoma, etc. And that still doesn't solve the 7 home game problem in ND visit years.

(06-08-2016 09:15 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  If the ACC were to go to a nine game schedule I would prefer two permanent rivals and rotate the other opponent. But that won't happen, they will just have two games that rotate instead of one. I do believe the ACC would benefit more if these games were as a second permanent rivalry though.

Clemson-VT
FSU-GT
Wake-UNC
NC State-Duke
Syracuse-UVa
BC-Miami
Louisville-Pitt

You can flip BC and Louisville's opponents if you prefer.

This could work (and I've written about it on my blog), but I think to appease Clemson they would have to get Miami as their 2nd annual rival. That results in something like this:
Miami, FSU, GT and Clemson all play each other round-robin.
UNC, NC State, Wake Forest and Duke all play each other too.
UVa plays all Coastal teams plus Louisville and probably Syracuse.
VT plays all Coastal teams plus BC and Louisville.
Pitt plays all Coastal teams plus Syracuse and BC.
(conversely on the Atlantic side it would be BC - VT/Pitt, SU - Pitt/VA, UL - VA/VT)

This morning I posted an in-depth analysis here.

Lou,

as an FSU fan, how would you feel about a 9-game schedule if it guaranteed the Seminoles played Miami, GT and Clemson every year? True, you'd be limited as far as schedule flexibility, and you'd only have 6 home sames once every 6 years... would the improved quality of the schedule make up for that?

(06-09-2016 05:45 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 11:41 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 09:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  %&$@ the ACC

Best be coughing up an additional $3-4 million a year in addition to the boost that everybody is going to get to offset what we are going to lose in game revenue for replacing quality OOC games with dregs like UVA and Duke.

They address some of your concerns in the link. If VA & Duke are such "dregs" then just remove your FCS or G5 opponent, that would increase your SOS & your ticket revenue.

From the link:

"The ACC is the only power conference that has a Notre Dame-like scheduling arrangement, plus four of its programs – Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech and now Louisville – bound by a state rivalry game versus the SEC.

Fortunately, those commitments aren’t as cumbersome as they could be.

By sheer coincidence, Atlantic Division schools Clemson, Florida State and Louisville are on the same rotation with their SEC rivals, home in even-numbered years, road in odd-numbered. Meanwhile, the Coastal Division’s Georgia Tech is on the opposite rotation, facing Georgia at home in odd years and on the road in even.

So in crafting a nine-game conference schedule, the ACC could have Coastal teams play five road and four home league contests in odd years, the Atlantic five road and four home in even. That way, no ACC school would play at its SEC rival in the same season it had five road conference games."



"The Hokies are contracted to play an FCS opponent each season from 2017-21, and in 2016 every ACC team except Louisville does. Might the league decide to eventually stop playing those television-unfriendly games? It’s certainly possible.

More possible is a nine-game ACC football schedule, which would increase the number of conference contests from 56 to 63 and double the frequency of “rivalries” such as Virginia Tech-Louisville."

They'd lose a part of a home game by dropping a buy game and adding a conference game. That hurts gate. The partial offset of playing a tougher home slate some years wouldn't fully offset the shorter home slate other years.

Edit: To Clemson's credit, they do a great job of supporting the state's local fcs squads (like Furman). I think that they're actually required to play at least one in-state fcs game if they play any fcs games. The state legislature might very well have an issue with them dropping those games.

Correct, the link didn't address the 7th home game which is essential to Clemson. Clemson would have some tough decisions to make, either play 2 P5 or 2 G5/FCS. The link did address the SOS that Kap mentioned.

5ACC + P5 + G5/FCS = 7 Home
4ACC + SC = 5 Away

4ACC + SC + G5/FCS = 6 Home
5ACC + P5 = 6 Away

1 possible solution that might solve both of Clemsons problems is to give everyone 1 or 2 additional rivals. In an addition to playing GT every year they could also have Miami or VT, or maybe rotate them. That way they would still have a quality P5 opponent on these schedule to replace a 2nd SEC team. They could still have 7 home games then every year.

5ACC + G5 + FCS = 7 Home
4ACC + SC = 5 Away

4ACC + SC + G5 + FCS = 7 Home
5ACC = 5 Away
(ND away would be the only time that they wouldn't have 7 home games.)

A 9th game solves more problems than it creates. Clemson is really the only one of who routinely plays 2 SEC teams. By giving everyone an additional rival FSU can play GT every year. The 4 Carolina schools can all play each other every year. This way you play the rest of the teams in 5 years. Or you could have a rotating second rival between 2 teams that you play twice in 4 years. You would then play everyone else in 4 years, H&H in 8. These are just some ideas, there are solutions.

(06-08-2016 11:47 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 11:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If the goal is more quality inventory, I'd MUCH prefer this:
- 8 conference games + 2 required P5 OOC games
- 1 can be against another ACC team if desired, but it won't count in conference standings.

That way teams who want to play 9 ACC teams + 1 OOC can do it,
and teams that want 8 ACC + 2 true OOC games can do that.

Either way, ESPN gets plent of quality games this way.

The link makes it sound like ESPN wants more conference games to me. It sounds like it's tied to an ACCN.

Yeah, more GOOD conference games.

(06-09-2016 09:38 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 11:47 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 11:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If the goal is more quality inventory, I'd MUCH prefer this:
- 8 conference games + 2 required P5 OOC games
- 1 can be against another ACC team if desired, but it won't count in conference standings.

That way teams who want to play 9 ACC teams + 1 OOC can do it,
and teams that want 8 ACC + 2 true OOC games can do that.

Either way, ESPN gets plent of quality games this way.

The link makes it sound like ESPN wants more conference games to me. It sounds like it's tied to an ACCN.

Yeah, more GOOD conference games.

Like FSU v GT & Clemson v VT which could be guaranteed with an additional rival.

Would the extra 2 basketball games cost everyone a home game?

(06-08-2016 08:44 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  How would you do a 9 game football schedule?

6 division games + 1 permanent crossover (ie. Clemson/Ga Tech) + 2 rotating home/away series.

That's how it was done the last time we played 9 games, and frankly, it was a beautiful arrangement.

Just a terrible idea

Preserve the possibility of great OOC match-ups

(06-09-2016 09:54 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Would the extra 2 basketball games cost everyone a home game?

Most likely

(06-09-2016 10:28 AM)Cody6003 Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 09:54 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Would the extra 2 basketball games cost everyone a home game?

Most likely

Each school would get one more conference home game and one more conference away game. Each school would lose two non-conference games. It would be up to each school to decide which non-conference games they would no longer schedule. They could drop non-conference home and homes or they could drop guarantee home games or some combination of the two.

(06-09-2016 10:09 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 08:44 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  How would you do a 9 game football schedule?

6 division games + 1 permanent crossover (ie. Clemson/Ga Tech) + 2 rotating home/away series.

That's how it was done the last time we played 9 games, and frankly, it was a beautiful arrangement.

That is the WORST way to do it. Two better solutions:
1. Keep it at 8 ACC games, mandate 2 P5 OOC games, allow 1 of them to be an ACC foe.
2. Go to 9 ACC games, but set 2 annual rivals to insure QUALITY match-ups, not just quantity.

I'm very sympathetic to Clemson, FSU, GT and even Louisville since they all have an annual OOC game. Pitt is actually trying to get to that point by scheduling either Penn State or WVU annually.

I'm also sympathetic to BC and NC State who have a hard time getting even one P5 OOC opponent to agree to play them.

Some have too many dates to the prom, others don't have any date...

Does any school in the ACC not already consistently play at least one P5 OOC game a year?

*Aside from NCSU.

(06-09-2016 10:43 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Does any school in the ACC not already consistently play at least one P5 OOC game a year?

*Aside from NCSU.

Boston College.

Fsu and Clemson should be let out of the grant of rights if this happens. Because it's not the setup they signed up for

(06-09-2016 07:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 07:38 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

"Remember the parameters of the nine-game league schedule ACC schools adopted in 2012, only to shelve eighth months later? Time to unearth that file.

Indeed, nine games are quite possible if, as expected, the ACC and ESPN agree by year's end to broaden the league’s exposure through traditional (cable) and progressive (online streaming) means."

....

"(Not as pressing, but related: Some ACC basketball coaches, led by Notre Dame's Mike Brey, advocate expanding the league schedule from 18 to 20 games. They believe this would enhance teams' NCAA tournament credentials, with the added benefit of creating more content for ESPN."

This tells me two things:

1) Notre Dame will remain a partial in football for a long while.

2)Texas will come into the league as a partial not a full member (at least as long as the LHN contract lasts, which is about time that Notre Dame might be "ready" ((around 2035)) ).

So, you are admitting that I have been right all along? :)

(06-09-2016 10:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 07:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 07:38 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

"Remember the parameters of the nine-game league schedule ACC schools adopted in 2012, only to shelve eighth months later? Time to unearth that file.

Indeed, nine games are quite possible if, as expected, the ACC and ESPN agree by year's end to broaden the league’s exposure through traditional (cable) and progressive (online streaming) means."

....

"(Not as pressing, but related: Some ACC basketball coaches, led by Notre Dame's Mike Brey, advocate expanding the league schedule from 18 to 20 games. They believe this would enhance teams' NCAA tournament credentials, with the added benefit of creating more content for ESPN."

This tells me two things:

1) Notre Dame will remain a partial in football for a long while.

2)Texas will come into the league as a partial not a full member (at least as long as the LHN contract lasts, which is about time that Notre Dame might be "ready" ((around 2035)) ).

So, you are admitting that I have been right all along? :)

All it ever has been is fan driven speculation with very little based in reality. Same as it has been for the last 50 years.

If the ACC moves to 9 conference games, there is no clearer signal that the conference knows it is never going to get ND to join for football.

(06-09-2016 09:13 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  This could work (and I've written about it on my blog), but I think to appease Clemson they would have to get Miami as their 2nd annual rival. That results in something like this:
Miami, FSU, GT and Clemson all play each other round-robin.

This morning I posted an in-depth analysis here.

I don't know ...

TOUGH ROAD TO HOE