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RE: ACC May Increase Number Of Conference Games for Network Inventory (Teel Article)
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(06-09-2016 07:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 07:38 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

"Remember the parameters of the nine-game league schedule ACC schools adopted in 2012, only to shelve eighth months later? Time to unearth that file.

Indeed, nine games are quite possible if, as expected, the ACC and ESPN agree by year's end to broaden the league’s exposure through traditional (cable) and progressive (online streaming) means."

....

"(Not as pressing, but related: Some ACC basketball coaches, led by Notre Dame's Mike Brey, advocate expanding the league schedule from 18 to 20 games. They believe this would enhance teams' NCAA tournament credentials, with the added benefit of creating more content for ESPN."

This tells me two things:

1) Notre Dame will remain a partial in football for a long while.

2)Texas will come into the league as a partial not a full member (at least as long as the LHN contract lasts, which is about time that Notre Dame might be "ready" ((around 2035)) ).

So, you are admitting that I have been right all along? :)

Ask me again in 2035.


We will both be dead.

Set up an appointment now with a good medium for 7/14/35 (which would have been my 78th birthday), so we can discuss. :)
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(06-09-2016 02:10 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 01:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 10:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 07:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-08-2016 07:38 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

"Remember the parameters of the nine-game league schedule ACC schools adopted in 2012, only to shelve eighth months later? Time to unearth that file.

Indeed, nine games are quite possible if, as expected, the ACC and ESPN agree by year's end to broaden the league’s exposure through traditional (cable) and progressive (online streaming) means."

....

"(Not as pressing, but related: Some ACC basketball coaches, led by Notre Dame's Mike Brey, advocate expanding the league schedule from 18 to 20 games. They believe this would enhance teams' NCAA tournament credentials, with the added benefit of creating more content for ESPN."

This tells me two things:

1) Notre Dame will remain a partial in football for a long while.

2)Texas will come into the league as a partial not a full member (at least as long as the LHN contract lasts, which is about time that Notre Dame might be "ready" ((around 2035)) ).

So, you are admitting that I have been right all along? :)

Ask me again in 2035.


We will both be dead.

Set up an appointment now with a good medium for 7/14/35 (which would have been my 78th birthday), so we can discuss. :)

I thought you were older. I would be 86 in '35.
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RE: ACC May Increase Number Of Conference Games for Network Inventory (Teel Article)
I think FSU folks would be somewhat appeased if:

1) GT became an annual game
2) There was a BIG freaking check attached
3) The rest of the ACC stepped up football wise (continuing current trajectory) so they're not sitting at the end of the year with a piss poor strength of schedule because they had a great OOC game replaced with a 3-9 UVA squad.

This better not come attached to a $1M/yr revenue streaming app.

It's one thing to give up some premier OOC games, but that still doesn't solve the issue when traveling to ND.

The whole thing sucks, and it weakens the ACC's positioning for the playoffs. Despite the talk, nobody gives a crap about a 9th game, when it's Duke or BC, and it's replaced Georgia or Auburn.

Conferences with with 9-game conference schedules are 2 for 4 in making the playoffs. Conferences with 8 game schedules are 6 for 6.
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RE: ACC May Increase Number Of Conference Games for Network Inventory (Teel Article)
(06-09-2016 02:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:10 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 01:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 10:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 07:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  This tells me two things:

1) Notre Dame will remain a partial in football for a long while.

2)Texas will come into the league as a partial not a full member (at least as long as the LHN contract lasts, which is about time that Notre Dame might be "ready" ((around 2035)) ).

So, you are admitting that I have been right all along? :)

Ask me again in 2035.


We will both be dead.

Set up an appointment now with a good medium for 7/14/35 (which would have been my 78th birthday), so we can discuss. :)

I thought you were older. I would be 86 in '35.

Yeah, I thought Terry was older. Apparently he's a young whippersnapper!

(He's still way older than me, though! 03-razz)
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As per Notre Dame, anyone with sense new they weren't joining while independence was still viable. That hasn't changed. When they HAVE to join, they'll join, it's now just going to be that much more painful to them. What are they going to do, join the SEC if they're still at 8 games?

I totally oppose this move, but if the conference feels like they have to do this, kudos for not worrying about how it affects their supposed seduction of ND. I've always thought ND will eventually join, and I've always thought the ACC should make every move on the assumption they wouldn't.

Now, when and if Notre Dame has to join a conference, it will be much worse. Their gamble just had the stakes raised significantly. If they have to join a conference in ten years, they will have now exchanged an eternity of losing an entire game of freedom for ten years of three extra games of freedom. Might be worth it, wagered against NEVER having to join a conference.
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(06-09-2016 02:27 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  As per Notre Dame, anyone with sense new they weren't joining while independence was still viable. That hasn't changed. When they HAVE to join, they'll join, it's now just going to be that much more painful to them. What are they going to do, join the SEC if they're still at 8 games?

I totally oppose this move, but if the conference feels like they have to do this, kudos for not worrying about how it affects their supposed seduction of ND. I've always thought ND will eventually join, and I've always thought the ACC should make every move on the assumption they wouldn't.

Now, when and if Notre Dame has to join a conference, it will be much worse. Their gamble just had the stakes raised significantly. If they have to join a conference in ten years, they will have now exchanged an eternity of losing an entire game of freedom for ten years of three extra games of freedom. Might be worth it, wagered against NEVER having to join a conference.


Nah, just think of the dozens of conference games avoided the past twenty years or so. ND is way ahead on that call.

Plus, if ND had joined when it were eight games and on that basis, the conference would still be moving to nine games now.

So...what is the difference?
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(06-09-2016 02:08 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 12:01 PM)green Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 11:56 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 11:53 AM)green Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 11:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I know very little, almost nothing, about Miami's fanbase, its plans, it goals.

You know less than that about ND's fanbase, its plans and its goals.

STAY ON YOUR SIDE OF THE AISLE

agree to disagree ...

STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH

That leaves no room for the Shamrock Series games, for games against SEC foes (like Georgia already scheduled) or for games against Michigan State and Ohio State (already scheduled).

PAUL HARVEY

that's your problem not mine ...

WHAT GIVES

If you are one that wants ND football to join, it is your "problem"

ND isn't worried about what the ACC wants, it is worried about what is best for it.

TWO TO TANGO

Indeed, nine games are quite possible if, as expected, the ACC and ESPN agree by year's end to broaden the league’s exposure through traditional (cable) and progressive (online streaming) means.
-- David Teel

for every dollar you spend on a subscription ...
you only get back 0 + 20% x 1/15 (golden ratio) ...
the ACC thanks you ...

FRACTION OF A FRACTION
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(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:27 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  As per Notre Dame, anyone with sense new they weren't joining while independence was still viable. That hasn't changed. When they HAVE to join, they'll join, it's now just going to be that much more painful to them. What are they going to do, join the SEC if they're still at 8 games?

I totally oppose this move, but if the conference feels like they have to do this, kudos for not worrying about how it affects their supposed seduction of ND. I've always thought ND will eventually join, and I've always thought the ACC should make every move on the assumption they wouldn't.

Now, when and if Notre Dame has to join a conference, it will be much worse. Their gamble just had the stakes raised significantly. If they have to join a conference in ten years, they will have now exchanged an eternity of losing an entire game of freedom for ten years of three extra games of freedom. Might be worth it, wagered against NEVER having to join a conference.


Nah, just think of the dozens of conference games avoided the past twenty years or so. ND is way ahead on that call.

Plus, if ND had joined when it were eight games and on that basis, the conference would still be moving to nine games now.

So...what is the difference?

I suspect that ESPN would be willing to forgo 9 games if ND joined all in and made that a condition.

16 broken in pods solves the "we don't see each other enough problem" so there wouldn't be that much desire to go to nine at that point.

I'm not telling you to join the ACC. I know the idea is to ride independence right down to wispy broken threads of rubber, and then along on the rims for as far as that will take you. I know you think that ride never ends. Much respect.

Nothing changes in the ACC/ND dynamic...ND will join when they have to join and no sooner. So what difference does that make to the ACC?

All the pain is on the ND side...if they decide POTENTIAL future pain of giving up more Stanford or Navy is well worth risking, bully for them. It is ND's right, and not the ACC's problem.

Again, I hate the move, but all credit to the ACC behaving as if ND will never join, instead of trying to work around accommodating a move that may never happen.
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agree. if ND ever joins (and it's very, very, very unlikely), we'll go to 4 pods of 4 teams each and drop it back to 8 games.

(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:27 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  As per Notre Dame, anyone with sense new they weren't joining while independence was still viable. That hasn't changed. When they HAVE to join, they'll join, it's now just going to be that much more painful to them. What are they going to do, join the SEC if they're still at 8 games?

I totally oppose this move, but if the conference feels like they have to do this, kudos for not worrying about how it affects their supposed seduction of ND. I've always thought ND will eventually join, and I've always thought the ACC should make every move on the assumption they wouldn't.

Now, when and if Notre Dame has to join a conference, it will be much worse. Their gamble just had the stakes raised significantly. If they have to join a conference in ten years, they will have now exchanged an eternity of losing an entire game of freedom for ten years of three extra games of freedom. Might be worth it, wagered against NEVER having to join a conference.


Nah, just think of the dozens of conference games avoided the past twenty years or so. ND is way ahead on that call.

Plus, if ND had joined when it were eight games and on that basis, the conference would still be moving to nine games now.

So...what is the difference?

I suspect that ESPN would be willing to forgo 9 games if ND joined all in and made that a condition.

16 broken in pods solves the "we don't see each other enough problem" so there wouldn't be that much desire to go to nine at that point.

I'm not telling you to join the ACC. I know the idea is to ride independence right down to wispy broken threads of rubber, and then along on the rims for as far as that will take you. I know you think that ride never ends. Much respect.

Nothing changes in the ACC/ND dynamic...ND will join when they have to join and no sooner. So what difference does that make to the ACC?

All the pain is on the ND side...if they decide POTENTIAL future pain of giving up more Stanford or Navy is well worth risking, bully for them. It is ND's right, and not the ACC's problem.

Again, I hate the move, but all credit to the ACC behaving as if ND will never join, instead of trying to work around accommodating a move that may never happen.
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(06-09-2016 02:58 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  agree. if ND ever joins (and it's very, very, very unlikely), we'll go to 4 pods of 4 teams each and drop it back to 8 games.

(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:27 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  As per Notre Dame, anyone with sense new they weren't joining while independence was still viable. That hasn't changed. When they HAVE to join, they'll join, it's now just going to be that much more painful to them. What are they going to do, join the SEC if they're still at 8 games?

I totally oppose this move, but if the conference feels like they have to do this, kudos for not worrying about how it affects their supposed seduction of ND. I've always thought ND will eventually join, and I've always thought the ACC should make every move on the assumption they wouldn't.

Now, when and if Notre Dame has to join a conference, it will be much worse. Their gamble just had the stakes raised significantly. If they have to join a conference in ten years, they will have now exchanged an eternity of losing an entire game of freedom for ten years of three extra games of freedom. Might be worth it, wagered against NEVER having to join a conference.


Nah, just think of the dozens of conference games avoided the past twenty years or so. ND is way ahead on that call.

Plus, if ND had joined when it were eight games and on that basis, the conference would still be moving to nine games now.

So...what is the difference?

I suspect that ESPN would be willing to forgo 9 games if ND joined all in and made that a condition.

16 broken in pods solves the "we don't see each other enough problem" so there wouldn't be that much desire to go to nine at that point.

I'm not telling you to join the ACC. I know the idea is to ride independence right down to wispy broken threads of rubber, and then along on the rims for as far as that will take you. I know you think that ride never ends. Much respect.

Nothing changes in the ACC/ND dynamic...ND will join when they have to join and no sooner. So what difference does that make to the ACC?

All the pain is on the ND side...if they decide POTENTIAL future pain of giving up more Stanford or Navy is well worth risking, bully for them. It is ND's right, and not the ACC's problem.

Again, I hate the move, but all credit to the ACC behaving as if ND will never join, instead of trying to work around accommodating a move that may never happen.

I highly doubt it will drop back to 8 games for ND, if not Clemson. If ND wants an 8 game conference, they've got several weeks to make that happen. They don't.

Otherwise, if they join in the future it will be because they have no other option, meaning no leverage about number of conference games, who they join with, divisions, annual games, etc.

They would have a ton of leverage right now. It's their right not to use that leverage, and I get it.

But that means the ACC and it's fans can and should stop talking about accommodations. When and if ND asks for admission, they can do it on their hands and knees on the ACC's terms, or they can join the B1G.

You don't tell the girl next door that you're not interested in dating her because you can't be tied down, but that she shouldn't date anyone in the next 15 years in case you decide to marry her later. It doesn't work that way.

The ACC has given them plenty of time to join on their own terms, which they decline. And I'm not anti-ND or anti-ND partial membership. Just being realistic.
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(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:27 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  As per Notre Dame, anyone with sense new they weren't joining while independence was still viable. That hasn't changed. When they HAVE to join, they'll join, it's now just going to be that much more painful to them. What are they going to do, join the SEC if they're still at 8 games?

I totally oppose this move, but if the conference feels like they have to do this, kudos for not worrying about how it affects their supposed seduction of ND. I've always thought ND will eventually join, and I've always thought the ACC should make every move on the assumption they wouldn't.

Now, when and if Notre Dame has to join a conference, it will be much worse. Their gamble just had the stakes raised significantly. If they have to join a conference in ten years, they will have now exchanged an eternity of losing an entire game of freedom for ten years of three extra games of freedom. Might be worth it, wagered against NEVER having to join a conference.


Nah, just think of the dozens of conference games avoided the past twenty years or so. ND is way ahead on that call.

Plus, if ND had joined when it were eight games and on that basis, the conference would still be moving to nine games now.

So...what is the difference?

I suspect that ESPN would be willing to forgo 9 games if ND joined all in and made that a condition.

16 broken in pods solves the "we don't see each other enough problem" so there wouldn't be that much desire to go to nine at that point.

I'm not telling you to join the ACC. I know the idea is to ride independence right down to wispy broken threads of rubber, and then along on the rims for as far as that will take you. I know you think that ride never ends. Much respect.

Nothing changes in the ACC/ND dynamic...ND will join when they have to join and no sooner. So what difference does that make to the ACC?

All the pain is on the ND side...if they decide POTENTIAL future pain of giving up more Stanford or Navy is well worth risking, bully for them. It is ND's right, and not the ACC's problem.

Again, I hate the move, but all credit to the ACC behaving as if ND will never join, instead of trying to work around accommodating a move that may never happen.

I am pretty sure that we are agreeing with each other on the fact that the ACC should always make moves on the assumption that ND football is never joining.

Nine games, eight games, seven games, six games...it doesn't matter, ND doesn't want to join no matter what the number.

My only point is that the ACC is doing this at ESPN's bidding for more content and hopefully for a network, but that is a clear signal (to me at least--and I guess this is where we differ) that the ACC knows that ND football is not going to join.
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(06-09-2016 03:46 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:58 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  agree. if ND ever joins (and it's very, very, very unlikely), we'll go to 4 pods of 4 teams each and drop it back to 8 games.

(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:27 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  As per Notre Dame, anyone with sense new they weren't joining while independence was still viable. That hasn't changed. When they HAVE to join, they'll join, it's now just going to be that much more painful to them. What are they going to do, join the SEC if they're still at 8 games?

I totally oppose this move, but if the conference feels like they have to do this, kudos for not worrying about how it affects their supposed seduction of ND. I've always thought ND will eventually join, and I've always thought the ACC should make every move on the assumption they wouldn't.

Now, when and if Notre Dame has to join a conference, it will be much worse. Their gamble just had the stakes raised significantly. If they have to join a conference in ten years, they will have now exchanged an eternity of losing an entire game of freedom for ten years of three extra games of freedom. Might be worth it, wagered against NEVER having to join a conference.


Nah, just think of the dozens of conference games avoided the past twenty years or so. ND is way ahead on that call.

Plus, if ND had joined when it were eight games and on that basis, the conference would still be moving to nine games now.

So...what is the difference?

I suspect that ESPN would be willing to forgo 9 games if ND joined all in and made that a condition.

16 broken in pods solves the "we don't see each other enough problem" so there wouldn't be that much desire to go to nine at that point.

I'm not telling you to join the ACC. I know the idea is to ride independence right down to wispy broken threads of rubber, and then along on the rims for as far as that will take you. I know you think that ride never ends. Much respect.

Nothing changes in the ACC/ND dynamic...ND will join when they have to join and no sooner. So what difference does that make to the ACC?

All the pain is on the ND side...if they decide POTENTIAL future pain of giving up more Stanford or Navy is well worth risking, bully for them. It is ND's right, and not the ACC's problem.

Again, I hate the move, but all credit to the ACC behaving as if ND will never join, instead of trying to work around accommodating a move that may never happen.

I highly doubt it will drop back to 8 games for ND, if not Clemson. If ND wants an 8 game conference, they've got several weeks to make that happen. They don't.

Otherwise, if they join in the future it will be because they have no other option, meaning no leverage about number of conference games, who they join with, divisions, annual games, etc.

They would have a ton of leverage right now
. It's their right not to use that leverage, and I get it.

But that means the ACC and it's fans can and should stop talking about accommodations. When and if ND asks for admission, they can do it on their hands and knees on the ACC's terms, or they can join the B1G.

You don't tell the girl next door that you're not interested in dating her because you can't be tied down, but that she shouldn't date anyone in the next 15 years in case you decide to marry her later. It doesn't work that way.

The ACC has given them plenty of time to join on their own terms, which they decline. And I'm not anti-ND or anti-ND partial membership. Just being realistic.



Well, to me, this is "fake leverage". The war is over football independence.

If that war is lost, then this "leverage" is merely negotiating the terms of surrender, like Lee getting his officers the right to keep their sidearms at Appomattox.

Big deal at that point. IF ND has to use leverage about the terms of joining a football conference, then it really doesn't matter all that much.

If ND football has to join a conference, who cares about surrender details like divisions or annual games? I certainly won't. The war has been lost.

This would not be like Virginia Tech or Pitt hoping and happy to join the conference and being excited over the possibilities and hoping to negotiate the best deal.

This would be a football program which has been independent for 128 years being forced by outside forces to join a football conference against its will and against its own perceived best interests.

That "leverage" is really choosing whether to prefer the firebombing of Dresden over the atomic bombing of Nagasaki. Both destroy the city.

If ND loses that war, you are right. It would be an unconditional surrender but with a surly, rebellious, spiteful conquered people in your midst.
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(06-09-2016 04:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 03:46 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:58 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  agree. if ND ever joins (and it's very, very, very unlikely), we'll go to 4 pods of 4 teams each and drop it back to 8 games.

(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Nah, just think of the dozens of conference games avoided the past twenty years or so. ND is way ahead on that call.

Plus, if ND had joined when it were eight games and on that basis, the conference would still be moving to nine games now.

So...what is the difference?

I suspect that ESPN would be willing to forgo 9 games if ND joined all in and made that a condition.

16 broken in pods solves the "we don't see each other enough problem" so there wouldn't be that much desire to go to nine at that point.

I'm not telling you to join the ACC. I know the idea is to ride independence right down to wispy broken threads of rubber, and then along on the rims for as far as that will take you. I know you think that ride never ends. Much respect.

Nothing changes in the ACC/ND dynamic...ND will join when they have to join and no sooner. So what difference does that make to the ACC?

All the pain is on the ND side...if they decide POTENTIAL future pain of giving up more Stanford or Navy is well worth risking, bully for them. It is ND's right, and not the ACC's problem.

Again, I hate the move, but all credit to the ACC behaving as if ND will never join, instead of trying to work around accommodating a move that may never happen.

I highly doubt it will drop back to 8 games for ND, if not Clemson. If ND wants an 8 game conference, they've got several weeks to make that happen. They don't.

Otherwise, if they join in the future it will be because they have no other option, meaning no leverage about number of conference games, who they join with, divisions, annual games, etc.

They would have a ton of leverage right now
. It's their right not to use that leverage, and I get it.

But that means the ACC and it's fans can and should stop talking about accommodations. When and if ND asks for admission, they can do it on their hands and knees on the ACC's terms, or they can join the B1G.

You don't tell the girl next door that you're not interested in dating her because you can't be tied down, but that she shouldn't date anyone in the next 15 years in case you decide to marry her later. It doesn't work that way.

The ACC has given them plenty of time to join on their own terms, which they decline. And I'm not anti-ND or anti-ND partial membership. Just being realistic.



Well, to me, this is "fake leverage". The war is over football independence.

If that war is lost, then this "leverage" is merely negotiating the terms of surrender, like Lee getting his officers the right to keep their sidearms at Appomattox.

Big deal at that point. IF ND has to use leverage about the terms of joining a football conference, then it really doesn't matter all that much.

If ND football has to join a conference, who cares about surrender details like divisions or annual games? I certainly won't. The war has been lost.

This would not be like Virginia Tech or Pitt hoping and happy to join the conference and being excited over the possibilities and hoping to negotiate the best deal.

This would be a football program which has been independent for 128 years being forced by outside forces to join a football conference against its will and against its own perceived best interests.

That "leverage" is really choosing whether to prefer the firebombing of Dresden over the atomic bombing of Nagasaki. Both destroy the city.

If ND loses that war, you are right. It would be an unconditional surrender but with a surly, rebellious, spiteful conquered people in your midst.

We agree completely, 100%.

If Notre Dame believes that there is zero difference between a negotiated peace and a scorched earth, there is no reason for them not to gamble. If independence is more important than the Navy game, then by all means you risk an eternity of Navy off the schedule for an undetermined remaining period of independence.

That is their stated position, and for the ACC to behave as if under any other scenario, is negligent to it's football members and the conference overall.
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(06-09-2016 04:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ...but with a surly, rebellious, spiteful conquered people in your midst.

So basically "Maryland Fan v2.0"...?
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I think this is summer crap and that Dave is just floating a balloon for the league office to see the response at levels below the decision making level.

Chummin' the water just to see what jumps.

And this isn't even the fishin' hole being fished.
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(06-09-2016 04:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ...but with a surly, rebellious, spiteful conquered people in your midst.

So basically "Maryland Fan v2.0"...?

:). Worse.

Maryland voluntary joined the ACC for all sports without someone holding a gun to its head.
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(06-09-2016 04:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I think this is summer crap and that Dave is just floating a balloon for the league office to see the response at levels below the decision making level.

Chummin' the water just to see what jumps.

And this isn't even the fishin' hole being fished.

I think that's possible. He is clearly in favor of a 9-game schedule, so this also could be a very minor consideration or discussion that is getting puffed up by his personal opinions/desires as well.
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(06-09-2016 04:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I think this is summer crap and that Dave is just floating a balloon for the league office to see the response at levels below the decision making level.

Chummin' the water just to see what jumps.

And this isn't even the fishin' hole being fished.

For VT, I'm in favor of it. I'd be in favor of 10 conference games too. But if it's going to upset Clemson, FSU, GT and Louisville because they have regularly scheduled games with SEC rivals and/or want to keep highly attractive OOC games, I'd vote against it.

VT has bunch of attractive OOC games in the next 10 years. It would suck to lose games against Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin and a H/A/N series with WVU because of this change. Hopefully we'll keep all those and drop the FCS games and reschedule ECU, ODU, Rutgers and our home date with Purdue to make sure we keep at least 6 home games on the schedule every year.
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(06-09-2016 05:44 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 04:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I think this is summer crap and that Dave is just floating a balloon for the league office to see the response at levels below the decision making level.

Chummin' the water just to see what jumps.

And this isn't even the fishin' hole being fished.

For VT, I'm in favor of it. I'd be in favor of 10 conference games too. But if it's going to upset Clemson, FSU, GT and Louisville because they have regularly scheduled games with SEC rivals and/or want to keep highly attractive OOC games, I'd vote against it.

VT has bunch of attractive OOC games in the next 10 years. It would suck to lose games against Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin and a H/A/N series with WVU because of this change. Hopefully we'll keep all those and drop the FCS games and reschedule ECU, ODU, Rutgers and our home date with Purdue to make sure we keep at least 6 home games on the schedule every year.

Yeh, I'd be fine with 10. Liberty, JMU, ECU, ODU, Richmond, W&M, App State, Ark State, Northeastern, Ausin Peay or Wake, NC State, FSU, Cuse, Clemson, Louisville

We already are stuck playing the least appealing Atlantic team yealy....things could only improve.
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Only way it makes some sense is if the divisions are changed or it is an extra rivalry game that's every year such as gt for fsu.

If it's just an extra rotated game then no way. Pitt Uva duke etc are nowhere near as exciting as playing another Sec big 10 or big 12 top tier type team
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