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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
How would a UConn/Temple/UMass/Army football independent scheduling alliance be viewed? Would they be able to get a block of games against other power conferences to fill their schedule?
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
(08-16-2016 03:01 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Who wants to bet his source is Mike Tranghese?

It is. Blaudschun doesn't know anything about Big 12 expansion other than what is fed to him by his UConn contact and/or Tranghese.

He sure has been pushing the UConn to B12 narrative, from his UConn contacts.
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
Who would the Big East #12 be if UConn puts their non-FB sports there?
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
(08-16-2016 02:56 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  First their president, now this. It reads like someone that's been told they're out.

What's the point in letting this go public, though?

My guess? To let ESPN know they will not be keeping UConn's BB rights for pennies on the Dollar. Which could be enough to persuade ESPN to support UConn to the Big 12 (which, reportedly, Fox already does). Fox owns that Big East content, and could be working with UConn to use this as leverage on ESPN.
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
(08-16-2016 03:31 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Who would the Big East #12 be if UConn puts their non-FB sports there?

Dayton or St. Louis most likely
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
Hey by all means enjoy trying independent.
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
(08-16-2016 02:20 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  When Utah and TCU left the MWC for (at the time) BCS conferences, BYU refused to stand pat.

Will history repeat itself? More importantly: would the Bug East accept UConn, and if not would UConn go A10??

I don't think it would occur because UConn football has a whole lot less leverage than BYU football did when it declared independence.

At the same time, a move to the A-10 would be pointless since they make peanuts even compared to the AAC. The Big East is theoretically possible in the sense that they actually make more TV money than the AAC despite not even having football. Still, I don't think UConn can bite that bullet and I'm not sure that the Big East wants to deal with a school that still has FBS football (which inherently means that they'll always be looking to move to a P5 conference and is the environment that the Big East Catholic schools wanted to get away from in the first place or else they would have stayed tied to the now-AAC schools).

The BE schools never cared about other schools playing football, especially indy.

They cared about having to play AAC schools around Texas, etc.

That's what broke the conference up.

What's missed in a lot of this discussion is 3rd tier rights. UConn can make a lot more money in ANY conference whose TV partner hasn't locked up tier 3 rights. The BE money over AAC money is a minor blip compared to tier 3 money.
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I understand UConn wanting the BE - more money, basketball focused schools, closer geography. But no special deals. All-in or all-out.

This isn't singling out UConn. I wouldn't be okay with, for example, Houston going football only in the B12 and leaving their everything else in the AAC. Nobody in the American is a Notre Dame that can demand special treatment.

EDIT: Navy isn't really getting a special deal because their football is what we want. They're not trying to give us their garbage while keeping their prized program somewhere else.
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
I'd like to see what is actually claimed.

If it is just that status quo in AAC isn't going to happen that can mean a wide ranging variety of outcomes.

A larger AAC
Different revenue distribution formula
Wanting to reshape AAC into something that is all Eastern time zone or trying to pull of the creation of another league (not easy but there are ways to pull it off).
I don't see AAC agreeing to give UConn football only. Where is the benefit in yielding their two most valuable properties to the rest of the league?
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
(08-16-2016 03:20 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 03:14 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the MAC is done playing around with football only schools after Temple and UMass.
That would seem to be MAC supporter sentiment, but there's not really any indication that the MAC would turn down UConn. UMass was not invited on it's own weight, it was picked as the best available option to balance Temple.

It's not as if UMass leaving represented a change of heart on the part of the MAC regarding FB-only affiliates. The affiliation agreement was set up from the outset to allow UMass to lose the FB-only option if Temple left (and Temple's renegotiated to have the same terms if UMass left) ... and Temple left and so the FB-only option was taken away from UMass.

With UConn, UMass FB could well have another go round in the MAC.

I can see UConn/UMass FB in the MAC and it fits them more than the CUSA regionally. It could also help MAC with TV having a NE presence and it could help the MAC if for some reason a couple of MAC schools keep having issues with football (EMU/KSU)
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
(08-16-2016 03:23 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  How would a UConn/Temple/UMass/Army football independent scheduling alliance be viewed? Would they be able to get a block of games against other power conferences to fill their schedule?

Don't forget New Mexico St. They'll be Indy in 2018.
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(08-16-2016 02:57 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:56 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  First their president, now this. It reads like someone that's been told they're out.

What's the point in letting this go public, though?
That's the part of this that makes no sense to me

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First, I doubt any of this is true.
Second, the point in making it go public is the idea of having UConn men's and women's basketball switch to Fox from ESPN.
Men's and women's get very decent ratings in NYC and Connecticut. And on the women's side, any network that owns them gets to feature that sport's #1 property.
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(08-16-2016 03:03 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:57 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:48 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  You also have to factor in that if the AAC loses 2-3 members (ie. UConn, Cincinnati and Houston), its payday will be reduced. Also, there is a potential that adding UConn to the Big East would result in a pay bump to that conference's payout.

I have to question though whether the Big East would be interested in UConn. All the schools in the conference are of like-mind. I think the schools in the conference have a sour taste in their mouth for football. They have to be concerned that one day the Big 10 or the ACC could come calling for UConn for all sports and that might be an instability factor they don't wan to deal with.

You have to think that UConn is at least talking to the Big East about the possibility. My thought is that with 10 basketball only members, the Big East is plenty stable, so that the potential to lose UConn later is a lower order of magnitude problem than the 2011 and 2012 defections. UConn also provides another flagship program and familiar rival that should boost the Big East's weak tv ratings and improve future tv deals.

On top of that, UConn..or even UMass if added would still be a minority in the conference. The previous Big East conference the basketball schools didn't have the power as they do now. Even with 2 FBS members in a conference, they still hold the majority interest and that is a different story.

Neither side had the power. The Big East bylaws separated the two groups, almost into federations. One couldn't do anything without the other. UConn is actually the school that brokered the peace back in 1992, which allowed Big East football to expand and then include teams like Virginia Tech.
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
Blaudschun's source very well might be Tranghese. For those that did not know, Tranghese has been a paid consultant to UConn for quite a while now. He has been contracted to explore conference realignment issues, as well as give and seek advice from media experts about UConn leveraging it's TV rights.

SNY as a guesstimate, will probably pay $15m a year for UConn's TV rights. I am wondering if this even bigger, and UConn might be on the vanguard of streaming sports content direct from one school.

Tranghese is VERY good friends with an individual that advises the largest streaming sites. Could it be that UConn might go in-house and produce it's own games? Distribute through SNY and stream?

They have the content. As much as we malign northeast football, the Longhorn Network has failed because 6 or 8 football games doesn't pay the rent.

UConn has men's and women's basketball, football, and minor sports like soccer and baseball.

It is odd that of all NCAA schools, whether P5 or mid major, UConn probably offers more than any other school great content for its individualized market.

The AAC in losing three schools...that becomes another issue.
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
(08-16-2016 02:20 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  When Utah and TCU left the MWC for (at the time) BCS conferences, BYU refused to stand pat.

Will history repeat itself? More importantly: would the Bug East accept UConn, and if not would UConn go A10??

I don't think it would occur because UConn football has a whole lot less leverage than BYU football did when it declared independence.

At the same time, a move to the A-10 would be pointless since they make peanuts even compared to the AAC. The Big East is theoretically possible in the sense that they actually make more TV money than the AAC despite not even having football. Still, I don't think UConn can bite that bullet and I'm not sure that the Big East wants to deal with a school that still has FBS football (which inherently means that they'll always be looking to move to a P5 conference and is the environment that the Big East Catholic schools wanted to get away from in the first place or else they would have stayed tied to the now-AAC schools).

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(08-16-2016 03:34 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 03:31 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Who would the Big East #12 be if UConn puts their non-FB sports there?

Dayton or St. Louis most likely

UMass


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(08-16-2016 03:43 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 03:03 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:57 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:48 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  You also have to factor in that if the AAC loses 2-3 members (ie. UConn, Cincinnati and Houston), its payday will be reduced. Also, there is a potential that adding UConn to the Big East would result in a pay bump to that conference's payout.

I have to question though whether the Big East would be interested in UConn. All the schools in the conference are of like-mind. I think the schools in the conference have a sour taste in their mouth for football. They have to be concerned that one day the Big 10 or the ACC could come calling for UConn for all sports and that might be an instability factor they don't wan to deal with.

You have to think that UConn is at least talking to the Big East about the possibility. My thought is that with 10 basketball only members, the Big East is plenty stable, so that the potential to lose UConn later is a lower order of magnitude problem than the 2011 and 2012 defections. UConn also provides another flagship program and familiar rival that should boost the Big East's weak tv ratings and improve future tv deals.

On top of that, UConn..or even UMass if added would still be a minority in the conference. The previous Big East conference the basketball schools didn't have the power as they do now. Even with 2 FBS members in a conference, they still hold the majority interest and that is a different story.

Neither side had the power. The Big East bylaws separated the two groups, almost into federations. One couldn't do anything without the other. UConn is actually the school that brokered the peace back in 1992, which allowed Big East football to expand and then include teams like Virginia Tech.

Interesting, but then the basketball schools should have been able to get more $$ from the TV contract (old and the new proposed one) if there was any power they had.
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(08-16-2016 03:21 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  If they went Indy, I could easily see UConn creating an annual football scheduling alliance with Army, UMass and BYU (if they don't get invited by the Big 12). If they filled out the schedule with a school or two from the AAC (ie. Navy, Temple), ACC (BC, Syracuse, Pitt) and B10 (Rutgers) plus a regional FCS school that would be very appealing to their fan base-- much more than the current AAC lineup to be honest*.

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(08-16-2016 03:31 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Who would the Big East #12 be if UConn puts their non-FB sports there?

Why would you need one?

Conferences like the BE and B12 have had 9 or 10 or 11 members for long stretches in the past.
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(08-16-2016 03:33 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:56 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 02:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  First their president, now this. It reads like someone that's been told they're out.

What's the point in letting this go public, though?

My guess? To let ESPN know they will not be keeping UConn's BB rights for pennies on the Dollar. Which could be enough to persuade ESPN to support UConn to the Big 12 (which, reportedly, Fox already does). Fox owns that Big East content, and could be working with UConn to use this as leverage on ESPN.

On the other hand, Fox may play this as well to exclude UConn from the B12 if it imagines any of this is true and that UConn is going to the BE.
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RE: Blaudschun: UConn Source: If No Big 12, UConn Will NOT Maintain Status Quo with AAC
(08-16-2016 03:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 03:20 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 03:14 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I think the MAC is done playing around with football only schools after Temple and UMass.
That would seem to be MAC supporter sentiment, but there's not really any indication that the MAC would turn down UConn. UMass was not invited on it's own weight, it was picked as the best available option to balance Temple.

It's not as if UMass leaving represented a change of heart on the part of the MAC regarding FB-only affiliates. The affiliation agreement was set up from the outset to allow UMass to lose the FB-only option if Temple left (and Temple's renegotiated to have the same terms if UMass left) ... and Temple left and so the FB-only option was taken away from UMass.

With UConn, UMass FB could well have another go round in the MAC.

I can see UConn/UMass FB in the MAC and it fits them more than the CUSA regionally. It could also help MAC with TV having a NE presence and it could help the MAC if for some reason a couple of MAC schools keep having issues with football (EMU/KSU)

Agree

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