(08-18-2016 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:30 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:15 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  The teams leaving have known for awhile. The holdup is because of the contract negotiations, hence the tight secrecy. When it's finally announced all of the i's will have been dotted and all the t's will have been crossed. Aresco did say that the AAC was losing "some "teams. Uconn threw in the towel when they found out and evidently usf just sent in their promo package (To late),there're out. Byu hit there honor code wall again. That leaves Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple,all of whom are very silent right now

Did you even listen to the interview? They said they were just starting to accept pitches and listening to schools that are contacting them. Leath went on to say that they having had the meeting yet to decide if they will go to 12 or 14. After that meeting they said they would vote on who to accept.

They don't know who is going to be added yet! They might not even expand, I personally hope they do. Iowa State had came forward and said that they won't vote to expand unless the GOR gets extended too. Just listen to the interview because it's comes forward that the process is still young. The presidents do a lot more than just athletics. They don't sit around talking expansion, these things take time. I would bet on later than sooner for us to find out.

If you think they just started this process, that's untrue. They first contacted schools for vetting in late 2013. They have been talking full time to Memphis, UC, and several other schools, including BYU, Boise, UCF, UH, USF, etc, for at least the past year.

What they tell the press isn't always truthful. Heck, the OU AD said expansion was dead a few days before the B12 presidents voted unanimously to go forward with expansion.

Based on conversations between the Big 12 and UM, I think UM and UC are 11 and 12, and what they are doing now is figuring out 13 and 14.

As for timing, I have no idea. BYU was in the lead for 13 until just recently. At one time, I thought BYU and Boise would be 13/14, both FB only. Then I think Houston replaced Boise after the Texas gov spoke up, and BYU was flipped to all sports. Then the BYU issues became public, and I now think BYU is out.

So I think the Big 12 is starting over for 13 and 14, but not for 11 and 12. They have been trying to decide 13 and 14 since last February.

You are free to believe otherwise, of course. This is just a message board. Opinions will vary.

First id be happy with UM and Cincy

Next, I agree some schools have talked with the big 12 for a while and not recently. That's obvious since earlier this year you had Cincinnati's old president exchanging emails with Boren. Also K state's president/AD meet with UConn's? So I agree that schools have talked with the big 12 for a while.

What I'm arguing is that no school knows if they are in or not. That would just be a bad decision to do that. For example let's say since July BYU and Cincy knew hey were in and the big 12 said they were looking for 13 and 14. All the sudden ASU and Arkansas wanted in but wanted to stay at 12. Then the big 12 has to tell BYU and Cincy sorry but we aren't going with you. It would suck to be them.

I just think like what Leath says, they still have to vote for 12 or 14 and they still don't know what schools are going to join. I still wouldn't even put UH as a guarantee because schools like Iowa state don't want to being more Texas heavy. Yes they been talking to schools but they haven't voted on them yet.

(08-18-2016 02:33 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:30 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:15 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  The teams leaving have known for awhile. The holdup is because of the contract negotiations, hence the tight secrecy. When it's finally announced all of the i's will have been dotted and all the t's will have been crossed. Aresco did say that the AAC was losing "some "teams. Uconn threw in the towel when they found out and evidently usf just sent in their promo package (To late),there're out. Byu hit there honor code wall again. That leaves Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple,all of whom are very silent right now

Did you even listen to the interview? They said they were just starting to accept pitches and listening to schools that are contacting them. Leath went on to say that they having had the meeting yet to decide if they will go to 12 or 14. After that meeting they said they would vote on who to accept.

They don't know who is going to be added yet! They might not even expand, I personally hope they do. Iowa State had came forward and said that they won't vote to expand unless the GOR gets extended too. Just listen to the interview because it's comes forward that the process is still young. The presidents do a lot more than just athletics. They don't sit around talking expansion, these things take time. I would bet on later than sooner for us to find out.

If you think they just started this process, that's untrue. They first contacted schools for vetting in late 2013. They have been talking full time to Memphis, UC, and several other schools, including BYU, Boise, UCF, UH, USF, etc, for at least the past year.

What they tell the press isn't always truthful. Heck, the OU AD said expansion was dead a few days before the B12 presidents voted unanimously to go forward with expansion.

Based on conversations between the Big 12 and UM, I think UM and UC are 11 and 12, and what they are doing now is figuring out 13 and 14.

As for timing, I have no idea. BYU was in the lead for 13 until just recently. At one time, I thought BYU and Boise would be 13/14, both FB only. Then I think Houston replaced Boise after the Texas gov spoke up, and BYU was flipped to all sports. Then the BYU issues became public, and I now think BYU is out.

So I think the Big 12 is starting over for 13 and 14, but not for 11 and 12. They have been trying to decide 13 and 14 since last February.

You are free to believe otherwise, of course. This is just a message board. Opinions will vary.

First id be happy with UM and Cincy

Next, I agree some schools have talked with the big 12 for a while and not recently. That's obvious since earlier this year you had Cincinnati's old president exchanging emails with Boren. Also K state's president/AD meet with UConn's? So I agree that schools have talked with the big 12 for a while.

What I'm arguing is that no school knows if they are in or not. That would just be a bad decision to do that. For example let's say since July BYU and Cincy knew hey were in and the big 12 said they were looking for 13 and 14. All the sudden ASU and Arkansas wanted in but wanted to stay at 12. Then the big 12 has to tell BYU and Cincy sorry but we aren't going with you. It would suck to be them.

I just think like what Leath says, they still have to vote for 12 or 14 and they still don't know what schools are going to join. I still wouldn't even put UH as a guarantee because schools like Iowa state don't want to being more Texas heavy. Yes they been talking to schools but they haven't voted on them yet.

Okay, we just disagree. But Leath's statement is still true, even if 11 and 12 have been decided, as long as they are still looking for 13 and 14.

(08-18-2016 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:30 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:15 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  The teams leaving have known for awhile. The holdup is because of the contract negotiations, hence the tight secrecy. When it's finally announced all of the i's will have been dotted and all the t's will have been crossed. Aresco did say that the AAC was losing "some "teams. Uconn threw in the towel when they found out and evidently usf just sent in their promo package (To late),there're out. Byu hit there honor code wall again. That leaves Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple,all of whom are very silent right now

Did you even listen to the interview? They said they were just starting to accept pitches and listening to schools that are contacting them. Leath went on to say that they having had the meeting yet to decide if they will go to 12 or 14. After that meeting they said they would vote on who to accept.

They don't know who is going to be added yet! They might not even expand, I personally hope they do. Iowa State had came forward and said that they won't vote to expand unless the GOR gets extended too. Just listen to the interview because it's comes forward that the process is still young. The presidents do a lot more than just athletics. They don't sit around talking expansion, these things take time. I would bet on later than sooner for us to find out.

If you think they just started this process, that's untrue. They first contacted schools for vetting in late 2013. They have been talking full time to Memphis, UC, and several other schools, including BYU, Boise, UCF, UH, USF, etc, for at least the past year.

What they tell the press isn't always truthful. Heck, the OU AD said expansion was dead a few days before the B12 presidents voted unanimously to go forward with expansion.

Based on conversations between the Big 12 and UM, I think UM and UC are 11 and 12, and what they are doing now is figuring out 13 and 14.

As for timing, I have no idea. BYU was in the lead for 13 until just recently. At one time, I thought BYU and Boise would be 13/14, both FB only. Then I think Houston replaced Boise after the Texas gov spoke up, and BYU was flipped to all sports. Then the BYU issues became public, and I now think BYU is out.

So I think the Big 12 is starting over for 13 and 14, but not for 11 and 12. They have been trying to decide 13 and 14 since last February.

You are free to believe otherwise, of course. This is just a message board. Opinions will vary.

You are making a number of statements as facts and then you follow up those with “I think”. Were you a part of these conversations, or are you hearing the information second hand?

I ask this because if you were actually present at these meetings then what you share absolutely holds a lot of weight. We all know nothing is a done deal until the ink is dry on the contract but even with that you would be providing some very interesting first hand factual insight that in fact Memphis has already been chosen.

If you weren’t present at the conversation then you are doing nothing more than providing a personal opinion derived from information provided by your second hand sources. In essence providing information that is no more or less valid than the information provided by the guys you claim are clueless when it comes to the Big12 expansion.

Were you actually present for these conversations?

(08-18-2016 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:30 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:15 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  The teams leaving have known for awhile. The holdup is because of the contract negotiations, hence the tight secrecy. When it's finally announced all of the i's will have been dotted and all the t's will have been crossed. Aresco did say that the AAC was losing "some "teams. Uconn threw in the towel when they found out and evidently usf just sent in their promo package (To late),there're out. Byu hit there honor code wall again. That leaves Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple,all of whom are very silent right now

Did you even listen to the interview? They said they were just starting to accept pitches and listening to schools that are contacting them. Leath went on to say that they having had the meeting yet to decide if they will go to 12 or 14. After that meeting they said they would vote on who to accept.

They don't know who is going to be added yet! They might not even expand, I personally hope they do. Iowa State had came forward and said that they won't vote to expand unless the GOR gets extended too. Just listen to the interview because it's comes forward that the process is still young. The presidents do a lot more than just athletics. They don't sit around talking expansion, these things take time. I would bet on later than sooner for us to find out.

If you think they just started this process, that's untrue. They first contacted schools for vetting in late 2013. They have been talking full time to Memphis, UC, and several other schools, including BYU, Boise, UCF, UH, USF, etc, for at least the past year.

What they tell the press isn't always truthful. Heck, the OU AD said expansion was dead a few days before the B12 presidents voted unanimously to go forward with expansion.

Based on conversations between the Big 12 and UM, I think UM and UC are 11 and 12, and what they are doing now is figuring out 13 and 14.

As for timing, I have no idea. BYU was in the lead for 13 until just recently. At one time, I thought BYU and Boise would be 13/14, both FB only. Then I think Houston replaced Boise after the Texas gov spoke up, and BYU was flipped to all sports. Then the BYU issues became public, and I now think BYU is out.

So I think the Big 12 is starting over for 13 and 14, but not for 11 and 12. They have been trying to decide 13 and 14 since last February.

You are free to believe otherwise, of course. This is just a message board. Opinions will vary.

The more you keep posting the bolded, and not including UCONN in the schools mentioned, only proves you've been making the whole thing up.

(08-18-2016 02:33 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:30 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:15 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  The teams leaving have known for awhile. The holdup is because of the contract negotiations, hence the tight secrecy. When it's finally announced all of the i's will have been dotted and all the t's will have been crossed. Aresco did say that the AAC was losing "some "teams. Uconn threw in the towel when they found out and evidently usf just sent in their promo package (To late),there're out. Byu hit there honor code wall again. That leaves Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple,all of whom are very silent right now

Did you even listen to the interview? They said they were just starting to accept pitches and listening to schools that are contacting them. Leath went on to say that they having had the meeting yet to decide if they will go to 12 or 14. After that meeting they said they would vote on who to accept.

They don't know who is going to be added yet! They might not even expand, I personally hope they do. Iowa State had came forward and said that they won't vote to expand unless the GOR gets extended too. Just listen to the interview because it's comes forward that the process is still young. The presidents do a lot more than just athletics. They don't sit around talking expansion, these things take time. I would bet on later than sooner for us to find out.

If you think they just started this process, that's untrue. They first contacted schools for vetting in late 2013. They have been talking full time to Memphis, UC, and several other schools, including BYU, Boise, UCF, UH, USF, etc, for at least the past year.

What they tell the press isn't always truthful. Heck, the OU AD said expansion was dead a few days before the B12 presidents voted unanimously to go forward with expansion.

Based on conversations between the Big 12 and UM, I think UM and UC are 11 and 12, and what they are doing now is figuring out 13 and 14.

As for timing, I have no idea. BYU was in the lead for 13 until just recently. At one time, I thought BYU and Boise would be 13/14, both FB only. Then I think Houston replaced Boise after the Texas gov spoke up, and BYU was flipped to all sports. Then the BYU issues became public, and I now think BYU is out.

So I think the Big 12 is starting over for 13 and 14, but not for 11 and 12. They have been trying to decide 13 and 14 since last February.

You are free to believe otherwise, of course. This is just a message board. Opinions will vary.

First id be happy with UM and Cincy

Next, I agree some schools have talked with the big 12 for a while and not recently. That's obvious since earlier this year you had Cincinnati's old president exchanging emails with Boren. Also K state's president/AD meet with UConn's? So I agree that schools have talked with the big 12 for a while.

What I'm arguing is that no school knows if they are in or not. That would just be a bad decision to do that. For example let's say since July BYU and Cincy knew hey were in and the big 12 said they were looking for 13 and 14. All the sudden ASU and Arkansas wanted in but wanted to stay at 12. Then the big 12 has to tell BYU and Cincy sorry but we aren't going with you. It would suck to be them.

I just think like what Leath says, they still have to vote for 12 or 14 and they still don't know what schools are going to join. I still wouldn't even put UH as a guarantee because schools like Iowa state don't want to being more Texas heavy. Yes they been talking to schools but they haven't voted on them yet.

BTW mark your calendar

(08-18-2016 02:43 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:30 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:15 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  The teams leaving have known for awhile. The holdup is because of the contract negotiations, hence the tight secrecy. When it's finally announced all of the i's will have been dotted and all the t's will have been crossed. Aresco did say that the AAC was losing "some "teams. Uconn threw in the towel when they found out and evidently usf just sent in their promo package (To late),there're out. Byu hit there honor code wall again. That leaves Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple,all of whom are very silent right now

Did you even listen to the interview? They said they were just starting to accept pitches and listening to schools that are contacting them. Leath went on to say that they having had the meeting yet to decide if they will go to 12 or 14. After that meeting they said they would vote on who to accept.

They don't know who is going to be added yet! They might not even expand, I personally hope they do. Iowa State had came forward and said that they won't vote to expand unless the GOR gets extended too. Just listen to the interview because it's comes forward that the process is still young. The presidents do a lot more than just athletics. They don't sit around talking expansion, these things take time. I would bet on later than sooner for us to find out.

If you think they just started this process, that's untrue. They first contacted schools for vetting in late 2013. They have been talking full time to Memphis, UC, and several other schools, including BYU, Boise, UCF, UH, USF, etc, for at least the past year.

What they tell the press isn't always truthful. Heck, the OU AD said expansion was dead a few days before the B12 presidents voted unanimously to go forward with expansion.

Based on conversations between the Big 12 and UM, I think UM and UC are 11 and 12, and what they are doing now is figuring out 13 and 14.

As for timing, I have no idea. BYU was in the lead for 13 until just recently. At one time, I thought BYU and Boise would be 13/14, both FB only. Then I think Houston replaced Boise after the Texas gov spoke up, and BYU was flipped to all sports. Then the BYU issues became public, and I now think BYU is out.

So I think the Big 12 is starting over for 13 and 14, but not for 11 and 12. They have been trying to decide 13 and 14 since last February.

You are free to believe otherwise, of course. This is just a message board. Opinions will vary.

You are making a number of statements as facts and then you follow up those with “I think”. Were you a part of these conversations, or are you hearing the information second hand?

I ask this because if you were actually present at these meetings then what you share absolutely holds a lot of weight. We all know nothing is a done deal until the ink is dry on the contract but even with that you would be providing some very interesting first hand factual insight that in fact Memphis has already been chosen.

If you weren’t present at the conversation then you are doing nothing more than providing a personal opinion derived from information provided by your second hand sources. In essence providing information that is no more or less valid than the information provided by the guys you claim are clueless when it comes to the Big12 expansion.

Were you actually present for these conversations?

Of course I wasn't in the meetings. These are not facts. They are my opinions that I believe to be factual. They are based on what I have been told by those who talked to those involved. I try to couch everything I say, but it is difficult to remember to type JMO every time.

Most of the media don't know anything at all, b/c I believe that a lot of things they said were incorrect, including, but not limited to, expansion is dead on July 19.

It would make sense that some people at the schools involved would know more than the media.

I'm not making any concrete claims. I'm simply saying I am confident about UM and UC, based on what I've heard over a long period of time. But we all know that until they make an announcement, nothing is final.

(08-18-2016 02:53 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:30 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:15 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  The teams leaving have known for awhile. The holdup is because of the contract negotiations, hence the tight secrecy. When it's finally announced all of the i's will have been dotted and all the t's will have been crossed. Aresco did say that the AAC was losing "some "teams. Uconn threw in the towel when they found out and evidently usf just sent in their promo package (To late),there're out. Byu hit there honor code wall again. That leaves Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple,all of whom are very silent right now

Did you even listen to the interview? They said they were just starting to accept pitches and listening to schools that are contacting them. Leath went on to say that they having had the meeting yet to decide if they will go to 12 or 14. After that meeting they said they would vote on who to accept.

They don't know who is going to be added yet! They might not even expand, I personally hope they do. Iowa State had came forward and said that they won't vote to expand unless the GOR gets extended too. Just listen to the interview because it's comes forward that the process is still young. The presidents do a lot more than just athletics. They don't sit around talking expansion, these things take time. I would bet on later than sooner for us to find out.

If you think they just started this process, that's untrue. They first contacted schools for vetting in late 2013. They have been talking full time to Memphis, UC, and several other schools, including BYU, Boise, UCF, UH, USF, etc, for at least the past year.

What they tell the press isn't always truthful. Heck, the OU AD said expansion was dead a few days before the B12 presidents voted unanimously to go forward with expansion.

Based on conversations between the Big 12 and UM, I think UM and UC are 11 and 12, and what they are doing now is figuring out 13 and 14.

As for timing, I have no idea. BYU was in the lead for 13 until just recently. At one time, I thought BYU and Boise would be 13/14, both FB only. Then I think Houston replaced Boise after the Texas gov spoke up, and BYU was flipped to all sports. Then the BYU issues became public, and I now think BYU is out.

So I think the Big 12 is starting over for 13 and 14, but not for 11 and 12. They have been trying to decide 13 and 14 since last February.

You are free to believe otherwise, of course. This is just a message board. Opinions will vary.

The more you keep posting the bolded, and not including UCONN in the schools mentioned, only proves you've been making the whole thing up.

It doesn't prove a damn thing, other than it makes you mad. Just b/c I haven't heard anything about UConn doesn't mean they are not a candidate. I never said that. I simply said that I have heard lots of names (which I provided), but none were UConn, which leads ME to think UConn isn't being considered.

But maybe they are. My not having heard that doesn't exclude them, lol. In fact, I never said anything bad about UConn, not one word. I have only said positive things about your school.

I think it's hilarious that UConn has been mentioned in the media by lots of people, as much as anybody besides Cincy, so obviously a lot of people think they are in the running, if not a favorite, yet you focus on me b/c I don't agree with that.

I just think differently, but I could be wrong.

(08-18-2016 02:53 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 12:30 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:15 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  The teams leaving have known for awhile. The holdup is because of the contract negotiations, hence the tight secrecy. When it's finally announced all of the i's will have been dotted and all the t's will have been crossed. Aresco did say that the AAC was losing "some "teams. Uconn threw in the towel when they found out and evidently usf just sent in their promo package (To late),there're out. Byu hit there honor code wall again. That leaves Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF, Temple,all of whom are very silent right now

Did you even listen to the interview? They said they were just starting to accept pitches and listening to schools that are contacting them. Leath went on to say that they having had the meeting yet to decide if they will go to 12 or 14. After that meeting they said they would vote on who to accept.

They don't know who is going to be added yet! They might not even expand, I personally hope they do. Iowa State had came forward and said that they won't vote to expand unless the GOR gets extended too. Just listen to the interview because it's comes forward that the process is still young. The presidents do a lot more than just athletics. They don't sit around talking expansion, these things take time. I would bet on later than sooner for us to find out.

If you think they just started this process, that's untrue. They first contacted schools for vetting in late 2013. They have been talking full time to Memphis, UC, and several other schools, including BYU, Boise, UCF, UH, USF, etc, for at least the past year.

What they tell the press isn't always truthful. Heck, the OU AD said expansion was dead a few days before the B12 presidents voted unanimously to go forward with expansion.

Based on conversations between the Big 12 and UM, I think UM and UC are 11 and 12, and what they are doing now is figuring out 13 and 14.

As for timing, I have no idea. BYU was in the lead for 13 until just recently. At one time, I thought BYU and Boise would be 13/14, both FB only. Then I think Houston replaced Boise after the Texas gov spoke up, and BYU was flipped to all sports. Then the BYU issues became public, and I now think BYU is out.

So I think the Big 12 is starting over for 13 and 14, but not for 11 and 12. They have been trying to decide 13 and 14 since last February.

You are free to believe otherwise, of course. This is just a message board. Opinions will vary.

The more you keep posting the bolded, and not including UCONN in the schools mentioned, only proves you've been making the whole thing up.

Not so

(08-18-2016 11:30 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 10:26 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 10:08 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 10:02 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  Hmmmmm

‏@C_Austin_Cox 44s45 seconds ago
No confirmation on which schools, but at least two AAC schools are working on buyouts that will allow them to leave in less than 27 months.

If true it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. We know that the buyout is $10M as written. With an earlier departure you'd expect it to be higher. The question in my mind is when does it become a punitive fee instead of liquidated damages? We're talking about a league that brings ~$2M/year to its members under a contract that expires fairly soon. Is litigation inevitable if the AAC plays hard ball?

The other question is how teams that don't have the "war chest" dollars will be able to negotiate out. UConn and UC have both the war chest and NCAA credits to bargain with. Memphis has NCAA credits and perhaps FedEx? Houston doesn't really have any of the above but seems highly motivated to make this happen.

Well---let's look at the liquidated damages. The entire ESPN media contract can be cancelled if 2 schools leave. The contract pays 20 million a year and has 3 years remains after this year. That's 60 million. So 10 million, plus an early exit penalty for leaving prior to 27 months is likley not going to be ruled as "punitive". If the cancellation clause didn't exist, there might be a better case for saying it was punitive.

I think it's more than two of a selected group who have to leave. I don't know if there's another number that has to be reached if others leave and it doesn't include the necessary number from the "select group," but it really hinges on UConn, Cincy, Houston, and supposedly the U*F's, Temple and Navy.

As for the "war chest" thing, my understanding is that some schools got some proportionate share (a sliver), Temple getting a little more than that group, and a big chunk evenly distributed between Cincy, UConn, and USF.

True, but the context was "is the AAC exit fee punitive". Given the context, I don't think it is. Exit fee is 10 million and I suspect another 5 million or so will be required to avoid the 27 month waiting period. Compared to 60 million in possible damages--the exit fee is probably not going to be considered as punitive.

(08-18-2016 04:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 11:30 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 10:26 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 10:08 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 10:02 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  Hmmmmm

‏@C_Austin_Cox 44s45 seconds ago
No confirmation on which schools, but at least two AAC schools are working on buyouts that will allow them to leave in less than 27 months.

If true it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. We know that the buyout is $10M as written. With an earlier departure you'd expect it to be higher. The question in my mind is when does it become a punitive fee instead of liquidated damages? We're talking about a league that brings ~$2M/year to its members under a contract that expires fairly soon. Is litigation inevitable if the AAC plays hard ball?

The other question is how teams that don't have the "war chest" dollars will be able to negotiate out. UConn and UC have both the war chest and NCAA credits to bargain with. Memphis has NCAA credits and perhaps FedEx? Houston doesn't really have any of the above but seems highly motivated to make this happen.

Well---let's look at the liquidated damages. The entire ESPN media contract can be cancelled if 2 schools leave. The contract pays 20 million a year and has 3 years remains after this year. That's 60 million. So 10 million, plus an early exit penalty for leaving prior to 27 months is likley not going to be ruled as "punitive". If the cancellation clause didn't exist, there might be a better case for saying it was punitive.

I think it's more than two of a selected group who have to leave. I don't know if there's another number that has to be reached if others leave and it doesn't include the necessary number from the "select group," but it really hinges on UConn, Cincy, Houston, and supposedly the U*F's, Temple and Navy.

As for the "war chest" thing, my understanding is that some schools got some proportionate share (a sliver), Temple getting a little more than that group, and a big chunk evenly distributed between Cincy, UConn, and USF.

True, but the context was "is the AAC exit fee punitive". Given the context, I don't think it is. Exit fee is 10 million and I suspect another 5 million or so will be required to avoid the 27 month waiting period. Compared to 60 million in possible damages--the exit fee is probably not going to be considered as punitive.

$15M seems reasonable.

(08-18-2016 09:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  there wouldn't be a huge difference between announcing today for instance and next Tuesday from a logistics standpoint- but next Tuesday the attention would be totally off the Olympics.

All right then. See You Next Tuesday.

I don't think the exit fee itself is punitive. I don't know if the school(s) leaving wouldn't try to haggle it down a bit, based on what the contract fetches them; .

It's that favored share distribution the "stranded three" got where one might try to poach. The details of why those three schools got that much money above the others, and the conditions of receipt that may get ripped wide open.

Let's face it, it's not like those three schools had to be talked into staying. Where were they going to go?

So if 2 schools are talking exit fees, I hope AAC is talking to 2 schools about replacing the 2 leaving.

Yep Fresno and sdsu

Sounds like BYU is in trouble.

(08-18-2016 05:40 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  Yep UMASS and NIU

FTFY

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Sorry stay cool NIU and southern miss. That's actually a great idea

(08-18-2016 06:04 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  Sorry stay cool NIU and southern miss. That's actually a great idea

I can deal with that

Teh symmetry

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(08-18-2016 06:04 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  Sorry stay cool NIU and southern miss. That's actually a great idea

The AAC should give Georgia State serious consideration. That's a good stock to buy IMO.