(09-01-2016 05:52 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  May be an oversight. He said at least 12. Doubt Memphis is out.

(09-01-2016 05:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It wouldn't surprise me if Memphis was out. I'm not sure why there has ever been hype for Memphis. Memphis is a basketball school buried in the heart of SEC country. There really isn't any room for growth there.

To answer your implied question: Memphis fits the current B12 footprint, has shown that it knows how to attract national talents in football and basketball on an American league budget (even 'in the heart of SEC country'), and has big patronage. The city represents a major, growing mid-South media center. It boasts a large stadium and is a fun place for a road trip. Its only in-state P5 rival is the University of Tennessee, whose main campus sits at the far opposite end of the state.

As a Bulls fan you might want to ease up. Glass houses. Especially when you still could, at the end of the day, find yourself on the outside looking in at a Big 12 that includes Memphis.

They had one good season with a QB and coach who are gone...just the year before they got pummeled by the worst team we have ever fielded.

Vanderbilt is in-state. Mississippi is right around the corner.

Memphis is not that big.

Their basketball program has spiraled to average, at best.

The 12 allegedly remaining would be a decent looking conference. The divisions work well too (AF, BYU, CSU, UH, Rice, SMU vs. UC, UConn, Temple, Tulane, UCF, USF)

Before the Memphis beating continues here's some more information from CBS Sports & Sports Illustrated that specifically states Memphis DID make the cut. And BTW for those with selective memory Memphis won the AAC in 2014 & finished in the top 25. In 2015 Memphis reached #13 after 8 games in the season and Memphis has been near the top in AAC attendance avg over 43K last season - and Memphis has been a regular top 20 program BB attendance. Compare that to the other candidates........

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=...5f16a88a92

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=...ens%20List

McMurphy didn't say Memphis was out, just that he couldn't confirm - which simply means the Memphis admin understands what an NDA means.

Here's a fact. Memphis is not out. Far from it. They will very likely be in when it's all over, IMO. McMurphy didn't say they were out. He said he couldn't confirm in OR out. I'm confirming for you. Memphis is still in. You're welcome (Sorry, Miko).

To be more serious for a minute, I doubt there is even a list at all. The Big 12 has NEVER mentioned ONE school. All these media guys said expansion was dead on July 19.

So, do you really believe they all suddenly developed sources that they didn't have a few weeks ago? Hell, they don't even agree with each other on the number or the names.

Think about realignment, or even coaching searches. Does the media ever get that stuff right before it happens? No. Never in realignment, and rarely in coaching searches.

And they have this one wrong, too. Not that anybody here will believe it, or care. Just don't put any money down on it in Vegas.

At least the nice thing about ECU publicly announcing they are out is now I can just sit back and laugh at the train wreck instead of hoping for a chance to be a part of it. Some fan bases massive ego's will be crushed when they don't get invited, in fact it could be all of them, and that will be entertaining.

(09-01-2016 07:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  At least the nice thing about ECU publicly announcing they are out is now I can just sit back and laugh at the train wreck instead of hoping for a chance to be a part of it. Some fan bases massive ego's will be crushed when they don't get invited, in fact it could be all of them, and that will be entertaining.

Hell, even at best, only 2 or 4 are getting in. I think there were 20 schools on "the list."

(08-31-2016 09:49 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:47 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Biggest surprise is that it looks like Memphis is out.

Academics? Memphis, UNM, UNLV, and ECU?

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Houston? USF? Cincy? UCF?

Academics don't matter.

Cincy is a good academic school. They are on the fringes of being an AAU school and will be someday.

I can't comment on the other schools because I don't really know much about them, but I believe they're all classified as national research universities. Memphis is not, unless that changed recently. That might matter to university presidents.

(09-01-2016 07:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  At least the nice thing about ECU publicly announcing they are out is now I can just sit back and laugh at the train wreck instead of hoping for a chance to be a part of it. Some fan bases massive ego's will be crushed when they don't get invited, in fact it could be all of them, and that will be entertaining.

I hate that so many good schools are even in this spot. We all shouldn't have to be forced to grovel like this publicly. Shameful on the B12 part, but I guess it is what it is.

(09-01-2016 07:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  At least the nice thing about ECU publicly announcing they are out is now I can just sit back and laugh at the train wreck instead of hoping for a chance to be a part of it. Some fan bases massive ego's will be crushed when they don't get invited, in fact it could be all of them, and that will be entertaining.

I knew it was a near impossibility, but I thought you guys deserved it.

(09-01-2016 08:00 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:49 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:47 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Biggest surprise is that it looks like Memphis is out.

Academics? Memphis, UNM, UNLV, and ECU?

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Houston? USF? Cincy? UCF?

Academics don't matter.

Cincy is a good academic school. They are on the fringes of being an AAU school and will be someday.

I can't comment on the other schools because I don't really know much about them, but I believe they're all classified as national research universities. Memphis is not, unless that changed recently. That might matter to university presidents.

Memphis is a Tier 2 Carnegie research university, and is moving toward Tier 1.

Can we all just take a moment to applaud our brothers in Houston, Rice that is. Kudos to have made the cut while still being stuck in CUSA.

(09-01-2016 05:52 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  May be an oversight. He said at least 12. Doubt Memphis is out.

(09-01-2016 05:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It wouldn't surprise me if Memphis was out. I'm not sure why there has ever been hype for Memphis. Memphis is a basketball school buried in the heart of SEC country. There really isn't any room for growth there.

To answer your implied question: Memphis fits the current B12 footprint, has shown that it knows how to attract national talents in football and basketball on an American league budget (even 'in the heart of SEC country'), and has big patronage. The city represents a major, growing mid-South media center. It boasts a large stadium and is a fun place for a road trip. Its only in-state P5 rival is the University of Tennessee, whose main campus sits at the far opposite end of the state.

As a Bulls fan you might want to ease up. Glass houses. Especially when you still could, at the end of the day, find yourself on the outside looking in at a Big 12 that includes Memphis.

Ease up? That would only be good advice if I have been claiming USF is a sure thing to make the final cut. I haven't, it wouldn't surprise me at all if we don't. IOW's, I haven't hyped USF.

And I'm not exactly sure why an FSU fan would want to pimp Memphis?

FWIW, I don't think Memphis is a terrible option, that everything about them is bad. It isn't. What I questioned was the hype for Memphis around here, and there has been a lot of that.

(09-01-2016 08:01 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 07:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  At least the nice thing about ECU publicly announcing they are out is now I can just sit back and laugh at the train wreck instead of hoping for a chance to be a part of it. Some fan bases massive ego's will be crushed when they don't get invited, in fact it could be all of them, and that will be entertaining.

I knew it was a near impossibility, but I thought you guys deserved it.

I don't think ECU "deserved it" just because I don't think any school deserves to just be given a label that makes them more valuable than schools that by any other metric would be peers. I'd rather just see every school be independent and sink or swim on their own merits, but that's never happening.

(09-01-2016 06:16 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  Yes, both schools are large. Yes, both are relatively new. Yes, both sit in big cities in the central part of the state. But when it comes to academic strategy, the two are almost polar opposites.

Far be it from me to stand up for UCF, but I think you are taking the point too far. Yes, USF academics is better than UCF academics, but we're not that much better. UCF is a more than decent school, and in some areas, like engineering and business, a good school.

Overall, I like our (USF's) mix of size and academics better than UCF's, but UCF isn't chopped liver academically.

Interesting a lot of this is being made public.

(09-01-2016 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Far be it from me to stand up for UCF, but I think you are taking the point too far. Yes, USF academics is better than UCF academics, but we're not that much better. UCF is a more than decent school, and in some areas, like engineering and business, a good school.

Overall, I like our (USF's) mix of size and academics better than UCF's, but UCF isn't chopped liver academically.

Granted I may have taken it too far in simplifying. But I never said anyone is chopped liver. I just noted an important distinction in philosophy and strategy.

You won't see me pile on when people put down Kansas State or Boise, either. Different schools meet different needs. There are places that make their reputation with research but stick undergrads with part-time staff, and there are places that excel at undergraduate education but get scant attention from the AAU. Great people are working in all American universities, and important work is being done in all of them.

I meant only to note that USF is a research university. Always has been. A careless and dismissive comment listed it with institutions that are very different in philosophy.

(09-01-2016 08:25 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Interesting a lot of this is being made public.

I don't know that it's 'being made public', quite. But non-disclosure agreements only mean so much when a league invites schools to apply (allowing journalists to contact institutions who may then confirm or deny receiving invitations), then notifies them when applications are no longer being considered (allowing journalists to contact institutions again for confirmation or denial of that).

(09-01-2016 07:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Before the Memphis beating continues here's some more information from CBS Sports & Sports Illustrated that specifically states Memphis DID make the cut. And BTW for those with selective memory Memphis won the AAC in 2014 & finished in the top 25. In 2015 Memphis reached #13 after 8 games in the season and Memphis has been near the top in AAC attendance avg over 43K last season - and Memphis has been a regular top 20 program BB attendance. Compare that to the other candidates........

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=...5f16a88a92

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=...ens%20List

McMurphy didn't say Memphis was out, just that he couldn't confirm - which simply means the Memphis admin understands what an NDA means.

You first link states from CBS Sports article: "Memphis has only been reported by TMGcollegesports.com"

Your second link states: "There is no word on whether Memphis made the cut. "

Basically - Blauds is still the only one saying Memphis made the cut.

(09-01-2016 05:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 09:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  May be an oversight. He said at least 12. Doubt Memphis is out.

It wouldn't surprise me if Memphis was out. I'm not sure why there has ever been hype for Memphis. Memphis is a basketball school buried in the heart of SEC country. There really isn't any room for growth there.

You may be right quo but I don't think a power conference washout in the heart of sec country is very appealing either.

(09-01-2016 08:27 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Far be it from me to stand up for UCF, but I think you are taking the point too far. Yes, USF academics is better than UCF academics, but we're not that much better. UCF is a more than decent school, and in some areas, like engineering and business, a good school.

Overall, I like our (USF's) mix of size and academics better than UCF's, but UCF isn't chopped liver academically.

Granted I may have taken it too far in simplifying. But I never said anyone is chopped liver. I just noted an important distinction in philosophy and strategy.

You won't see me pile on when people put down Kansas State or Boise, either. Different schools meet different needs. There are places that make their reputation with research but stick undergrads with part-time staff, and there are places that excel at undergraduate education but get scant attention from the AAU. Great people are working in all American universities, and important work is being done in all of them.

I meant only to note that USF is a research university. Always has been. A careless and dismissive comment listed it with institutions that are very different in philosophy.

Fair enough.