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(10-07-2016 08:47 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

Good for the viewers (or non viewers, in this case)... Count me among them.

I'm not offended by the kneeling. It is a respectful gesture. In the church I grew up in, we were not allowed to take communion unless we were kneeling.

In similar news, Lebron came out in support of Hillary this week. I doubt the blow back will be significant. Old, white, and angry was never Nike's key demographic.

(10-07-2016 08:47 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

What are you protesting exactly by not watching? You support the unarmed killings of American citizens by police? It makes no sense.

(09-14-2016 03:16 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I grew up by the campus and the neighborhood has been bad (crime ridden) since I was little. I never knew what stop and frisk was but I was stopped several times in the neighborhood by police, questioned, frisked and/or searched. One 2 occasions I was walking home from the gym that was near the Kroghetto with my gym bag and the police pulled over, asked what I had in the bag... said they had reports of burglary in the neighborhood searched me and the bag (I was HS age at the time).

I believe studies have shown stop and frisk actually drives down crime.

Stop and frisk is definitely effective in lowering crime, or at least moving it.

The problem is it is absolutely and without question unconstitutional. As are screening checkpoints to catch (presumably) drunk drivers.

Neither should be legal in this country, effective or not.

We have to find effective solutions that don't compromise our fundamental constitutionally protected freedom of movement and bar from illegal search and seizure.

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  In similar news, Lebron came out in support of Hillary this week. I doubt the blow back will be significant. Old, white, and angry was never Nike's key demographic.

"Of particular concern is the decline among younger male viewers. ESPN, for instance, is down 24% among men aged 18 to 34 years old."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ratings-fumb...1475764108

You mean YOUNG, white and angry? Young is the new old, I guess.

I probably shouldn't have left the term "white" in this discussion, since the tv ratings are not broken out by demographic. Not sure why you even injected that demographic into the conversation, but it's probably telling on different levels.

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:47 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

What are you protesting exactly by not watching? You support the unarmed killings of American citizens by police? It makes no sense.

What exactly are you protesting by kneeling? What does the national anthem have to do with the unarmed killing of blacks? Nothing. It's an absurd rhetorical argument, that no thinking, rational, adult would take seriously. It would be equivalent to those tuning out saying that the kneeling represents supporting the black community's shooting of cops.
It's ridiculous. I can disagree with a method of protest if I damn well feel about it and if you object to that you are a fascist POS.
I respect your right to protest whatever you like and even if I find this to be distasteful, ignorant of the sentiments, sacrifices and symbolism in standing together for the national anthem and entirely hypocritical to boot(expecting other people's sympathies, while not caring at all about what they feel and hold dear) I will not stop you from doing it. You'll also have to accept my right to tell you and people like you, with your distorted, goofy ass view of reality and a non-existent race struggle that died back in the 60s-70s when people had real problems to protest, to go take a midol and a nap.

Either all lives matter or no lives matter. Either you're equitable or you're racist. If you want a country representative of it's racial make up and a proportional representation of leadership based on racial/ethnic makeup, then 76% of the NAACP's membership/leadership must be white, because we are 76% of the population. All government organizations, non-profit agencies, schools etc. must be forced to follow quotas that only allow 13% of their membership to be black. Because they're only 13% of the population. Also, since more police are killed by black men per 100,000 than black men are killed by police per 100,000, I demand there be inquiries into those communities, families, organizations, preachers and intellectuals who are encouraging the violence. Otherwise, you're supremacist piece of garbage, who has no right to complain about anything.

Put up or shut up.

(10-07-2016 11:39 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:47 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

What are you protesting exactly by not watching? You support the unarmed killings of American citizens by police? It makes no sense.

What exactly are you protesting by kneeling? What does the national anthem have to do with the unarmed killing of blacks? Nothing. It's an absurd rhetorical argument, that no thinking, rational, adult would take seriously. It would be equivalent to those tuning out saying that the kneeling represents supporting the black community's shooting of cops.
It's ridiculous. I can disagree with a method of protest if I damn well feel about it and if you object to that you are a fascist POS.
I respect your right to protest whatever you like and even if I find this to be distasteful, ignorant of the sentiments, sacrifices and symbolism in standing together for the national anthem and entirely hypocritical to boot(expecting other people's sympathies, while not caring at all about what they feel and hold dear) I will not stop you from doing it. You'll also have to accept my right to tell you and people like you, with your distorted, goofy ass view of reality and a non-existent race struggle that died back in the 60s-70s when people had real problems to protest, to go take a midol and a nap.

Either all lives matter or no lives matter. Either you're equitable or you're racist. If you want a country representative of it's racial make up and a proportional representation of leadership based on racial/ethnic makeup, then 76% of the NAACP's membership/leadership must be white, because we are 76% of the population. All government organizations, non-profit agencies, schools etc. must be forced to follow quotas that only allow 13% of their membership to be black. Because they're only 13% of the population. Also, since more police are killed by black men per 100,000 than black men are killed by police per 100,000, I demand there be inquiries into those communities, families, organizations, preachers and intellectuals who are encouraging the violence. Otherwise, you're supremacist piece of garbage, who has no right to complain about anything.

Put up or shut up.

Nobody is advocating for quotas. Nobody is saying all fields should have equal of everything. These strawman arguments don't do any good.

If you don't get how protesting the national anthem might be 1. relevant and 2. a good way to draw attention to their cause I cannot help you. Obviously, you believe we're in some sort of post racial society where everything is great for people of all races. So be it, you are entitled to think that though I think the overwhelming evidence shows we still have to improve. I don't even mind that you are offended by them kneeling for the anthem, you have a right to be and I welcome you saying so. But don't act like their method of protest isn't relevant to the issues they see in this country.

(10-07-2016 11:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 11:39 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:47 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

What are you protesting exactly by not watching? You support the unarmed killings of American citizens by police? It makes no sense.

What exactly are you protesting by kneeling? What does the national anthem have to do with the unarmed killing of blacks? Nothing. It's an absurd rhetorical argument, that no thinking, rational, adult would take seriously. It would be equivalent to those tuning out saying that the kneeling represents supporting the black community's shooting of cops.
It's ridiculous. I can disagree with a method of protest if I damn well feel about it and if you object to that you are a fascist POS.
I respect your right to protest whatever you like and even if I find this to be distasteful, ignorant of the sentiments, sacrifices and symbolism in standing together for the national anthem and entirely hypocritical to boot(expecting other people's sympathies, while not caring at all about what they feel and hold dear) I will not stop you from doing it. You'll also have to accept my right to tell you and people like you, with your distorted, goofy ass view of reality and a non-existent race struggle that died back in the 60s-70s when people had real problems to protest, to go take a midol and a nap.

Either all lives matter or no lives matter. Either you're equitable or you're racist. If you want a country representative of it's racial make up and a proportional representation of leadership based on racial/ethnic makeup, then 76% of the NAACP's membership/leadership must be white, because we are 76% of the population. All government organizations, non-profit agencies, schools etc. must be forced to follow quotas that only allow 13% of their membership to be black. Because they're only 13% of the population. Also, since more police are killed by black men per 100,000 than black men are killed by police per 100,000, I demand there be inquiries into those communities, families, organizations, preachers and intellectuals who are encouraging the violence. Otherwise, you're supremacist piece of garbage, who has no right to complain about anything.

Put up or shut up.

Nobody is advocating for quotas. Nobody is saying all fields should have equal of everything. These strawman arguments don't do any good.

They're advocating for an increased representation of a racial demographic. Call it whatever you want, it's racist. It's antithetical to what we as a country stand for and anyone who supports it can go **** themselves. Straight up. I don't have time for bigots, if you want significance, try actually earning it. Power should be awarded by merit, not by genetic aberration and anyone who argues otherwise is a Nazi. That's what the BLM is, black Nazis. Same as La Raza same as the Klan. Like I said, equitable or racist; A or B but you must choose.

Quote:If you don't get how protesting the national anthem might be 1. relevant and 2. a good way to draw attention to their cause I cannot help you.

The burden of proof falls to the person making the claim, you say it has relevance, I say it doesn't. Therefor it doesn't until you demonstrate otherwise.
As for the second part, if it's turning people off and making you the ass of south park jokes; obviously it isn't a good way to draw attention to their cause. Most people I.E. not bleeding heart ideologues, think it's laughable.

I think there is no such thing as a racial society, race a social construct built around a genetic fluke that is emphasized by collectivist bullying, and pounded into people heads through socialization. It has nothing to do with who you are, if it did than all people of a particular race would lead the exact same life. They don't. Therefor to denote people by race at all is ignorant, hateful, non-sense that should go the way of the dodo.
People who pander to these divisive groups, are the enablers of hate and entropy in society. For if we simply ignored these people, they'd have to get a life.

(10-07-2016 12:11 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 11:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 11:39 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:47 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

What are you protesting exactly by not watching? You support the unarmed killings of American citizens by police? It makes no sense.

What exactly are you protesting by kneeling? What does the national anthem have to do with the unarmed killing of blacks? Nothing. It's an absurd rhetorical argument, that no thinking, rational, adult would take seriously. It would be equivalent to those tuning out saying that the kneeling represents supporting the black community's shooting of cops.
It's ridiculous. I can disagree with a method of protest if I damn well feel about it and if you object to that you are a fascist POS.
I respect your right to protest whatever you like and even if I find this to be distasteful, ignorant of the sentiments, sacrifices and symbolism in standing together for the national anthem and entirely hypocritical to boot(expecting other people's sympathies, while not caring at all about what they feel and hold dear) I will not stop you from doing it. You'll also have to accept my right to tell you and people like you, with your distorted, goofy ass view of reality and a non-existent race struggle that died back in the 60s-70s when people had real problems to protest, to go take a midol and a nap.

Either all lives matter or no lives matter. Either you're equitable or you're racist. If you want a country representative of it's racial make up and a proportional representation of leadership based on racial/ethnic makeup, then 76% of the NAACP's membership/leadership must be white, because we are 76% of the population. All government organizations, non-profit agencies, schools etc. must be forced to follow quotas that only allow 13% of their membership to be black. Because they're only 13% of the population. Also, since more police are killed by black men per 100,000 than black men are killed by police per 100,000, I demand there be inquiries into those communities, families, organizations, preachers and intellectuals who are encouraging the violence. Otherwise, you're supremacist piece of garbage, who has no right to complain about anything.

Put up or shut up.

Nobody is advocating for quotas. Nobody is saying all fields should have equal of everything. These strawman arguments don't do any good.

They're advocating for an increased representation of a racial demographic. Call it whatever you want, it's racist. It's antithetical to what we as a country stand for and anyone who supports it can go **** themselves. Straight up. I don't have time for bigots, if you want significance, try actually earning it. Power should be awarded by merit, not by genetic aberration and anyone who argues otherwise is a Nazi. That's what the BLM is, black Nazis. Same as La Raza same as the Klan. Like I said, equitable or racist; A or B but you must choose.

Quote:If you don't get how protesting the national anthem might be 1. relevant and 2. a good way to draw attention to their cause I cannot help you.

The burden of proof falls to the person making the claim, you say it has relevance, I say it doesn't. Therefor it doesn't until you demonstrate otherwise.
As for the second part, if it's turning people off and making you the ass of south park jokes; obviously it isn't a good way to draw attention to their cause. Most people I.E. not bleeding heart ideologues, think it's laughable.

I think there is no such thing as a racial society, race a social construct built around a genetic fluke that is emphasized by collectivist bullying, and pounded into people heads through socialization. It has nothing to do with who you are, if it did than all people of a particular race would lead the exact same life. They don't. Therefor to denote people by race at all is ignorant, hateful, non-sense that should go the way of the dodo.
People who pander to these divisive groups, are the enablers of hate and entropy in society. For if we simply ignored these people, they'd have to get a life.

Good lord

Don't want an in depth rant about a topic, don't disagree with me!
Just lucky it's the internet, offline I'd bend ears over yelling at people.

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:47 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

What are you protesting exactly by not watching? You support the unarmed killings of American citizens by police? It makes no sense.

So you believe "Hands up, don't shoot"? And you believe that a police officer's primary motivation for drawing his/her weapon is to hunt down and kill African Americans based on their membership in a particular racial group?

If so, BLM is definitely your organization.

(10-07-2016 11:34 AM)Topkat Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  In similar news, Lebron came out in support of Hillary this week. I doubt the blow back will be significant. Old, white, and angry was never Nike's key demographic.

"Of particular concern is the decline among younger male viewers. ESPN, for instance, is down 24% among men aged 18 to 34 years old."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ratings-fumb...1475764108

You mean YOUNG, white and angry? Young is the new old, I guess.

I probably shouldn't have left the term "white" in this discussion, since the tv ratings are not broken out by demographic. Not sure why you even injected that demographic into the conversation, but it's probably telling on different levels.

Bahahaha, ESPN's ratings are falling because thy have gotten further and further away from sports every year. I say it all the time, ESPN is turning into MTV. They used to show music videos and music related shows, not every show caters to the lowest common denominators.

(10-07-2016 12:11 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  A or B but you must choose.

This is what these arguments always boil down to IMO. Simple minds want simple answers. Answers like white good, black bad suit them much better and make it easy for them to avoid critical thinking.

(10-07-2016 12:50 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 11:34 AM)Topkat Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  In similar news, Lebron came out in support of Hillary this week. I doubt the blow back will be significant. Old, white, and angry was never Nike's key demographic.

"Of particular concern is the decline among younger male viewers. ESPN, for instance, is down 24% among men aged 18 to 34 years old."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ratings-fumb...1475764108

You mean YOUNG, white and angry? Young is the new old, I guess.

I probably shouldn't have left the term "white" in this discussion, since the tv ratings are not broken out by demographic. Not sure why you even injected that demographic into the conversation, but it's probably telling on different levels.

Bahahaha, ESPN's ratings are falling because thy have gotten further and further away from sports every year. I say it all the time, ESPN is turning into MTV. They used to show music videos and music related shows, not every show caters to the lowest common denominators.

I agree with you about the cause of ESPN's ratings slip. They've gotten away from their niche.

(10-07-2016 12:41 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:47 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

What are you protesting exactly by not watching? You support the unarmed killings of American citizens by police? It makes no sense.

So you believe "Hands up, don't shoot"? And you believe that a police officer's primary motivation for drawing his/her weapon is to hunt down and kill African Americans based on their membership in a particular racial group?

If so, BLM is definitely your organization.

This is my main problem. These protests happen in a vacuum immediately after a shooting. How those protesting know the facts already is baffling.

The Ferguson incident is exhibit A. The President sent his top cop (Holder) to investigate. Holder left town making some recommendations, but found the narrative against the cop by the protesters didn't match what actually happened. Go figure, the "hands up, don't shoot" narrative is still used.

I have no problem with protesters who first have a sound base under them.

(10-07-2016 12:53 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 12:11 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  A or B but you must choose.

This is what these arguments always boil down to IMO. Simple minds want simple answers. Answers like white good, black bad suit them much better and make it easy for them to avoid critical thinking.

Critical thinking is discerning and separates the correct from the incorrect. Relativistic thinking is to just throw your hands to the sky and claim the world is too mucky to make out. The sun is a star not a puppy, people's feelings will not make it a puppy. Even if they sincerely believe it to be a puppy. Either cops are disproportionately killing black men for no other reason than they are black or they aren't. A claim cannot both be correct and incorrect and whoever tells you otherwise flunked philosophy. Nothing said previously in this post is debatable. There are established rules in logic, just as there are in nature and the universe is indifferent to the bickering of men. Truth is not deceptive, deception only works if things are opaque and a deception is not truthful as truth is clear and demonstratable all who look at it.

Claims require evidence, I have yet to see evidence of a mass conspiracy against blacks in our time. What I do see is a lot of upper middle class white people, who are stuck in a time warp and who's parents slew every dragon there was. Now they're bored and have no idea what to do with themselves.
So now, whenever a whiney minority comes up, they feel it their civic duty to tell me about how guilty they feel about something that either never existed or died off in their Grandparents time.

My response to said people, is that everybody in this country had to put up with someone else's **** at one time or another. The BLM or whoever, don't get to call backsies on racial guilt from a bygone generation. Jim Crow is gone, nobody alive today went through slavery and although there's racism in the black community, none of you white, neutered, suburban, spoon-fed, never-worked-a-****-job a day in your life snobs; would dare go out in front of a predominantly black crowd and tell them they're racist or culpable for their own hatreds.


Do you know why that's the case? Because you, yourselves are in fact racist.

(10-07-2016 01:32 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 12:53 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 12:11 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  A or B but you must choose.

This is what these arguments always boil down to IMO. Simple minds want simple answers. Answers like white good, black bad suit them much better and make it easy for them to avoid critical thinking.

Critical thinking is discerning and separates the correct from the incorrect. Relativistic thinking is to just throw your hands to the sky and claim the world is too mucky to make out. The sun is a star not a puppy, people's feelings will not make it a puppy. Even if they sincerely believe it to be a puppy. Either cops are disproportionately killing black men for no other reason than they are black or they aren't. A claim cannot both be correct and incorrect and whoever tells you otherwise flunked philosophy. Nothing said previously in this post is debatable. There are established rules in logic, just as there are in nature and the universe is indifferent to the bickering of men. Truth is not deceptive, deception only works if things are opaque and a deception is not truthful as truth is clear and demonstratable all who look at it.

Claims require evidence, I have yet to see evidence of a mass conspiracy against blacks in our time. What I do see is a lot of upper middle class white people, who are stuck in a time warp and who's parents slew every dragon there was. Now they're bored and have no idea what to do with themselves.
So now, whenever a whiney minority comes up, they feel it their civic duty to tell me about how guilty they feel about something that either never existed or died off in their Grandparents time.

My response to said people, is that everybody in this country had to put up with someone else's **** at one time or another. The BLM or whoever, don't get to call backsies on racial guilt from a bygone generation. Jim Crow is gone, nobody alive today went through slavery and although there's racism in the black community, none of you white, neutered, suburban, spoon-fed, never-worked-a-****-job a day in your life snobs; would dare go out in front of a predominantly black crowd and tell them they're racist or culpable for their own hatreds.


Do you know why that's the case? Because you, yourselves are in fact racist.

It's really weird that we are debating something that is not debatable.

Just so we are clear, are you saying that racism does not exist or that it does exist but you're ok with that?

(10-07-2016 12:50 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 11:34 AM)Topkat Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 10:36 AM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  In similar news, Lebron came out in support of Hillary this week. I doubt the blow back will be significant. Old, white, and angry was never Nike's key demographic.

"Of particular concern is the decline among younger male viewers. ESPN, for instance, is down 24% among men aged 18 to 34 years old."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ratings-fumb...1475764108

You mean YOUNG, white and angry? Young is the new old, I guess.

I probably shouldn't have left the term "white" in this discussion, since the tv ratings are not broken out by demographic. Not sure why you even injected that demographic into the conversation, but it's probably telling on different levels.

Bahahaha, ESPN's ratings are falling because thy have gotten further and further away from sports every year. I say it all the time, ESPN is turning into MTV. They used to show music videos and music related shows, not every show caters to the lowest common denominators.

Actually, ESPN Soccer ratings increased this year on all their platforms, their NBA ratings and MLB ratings also were up in 2016.

So far, this is unique to the NFL.

(10-07-2016 02:27 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  It's really weird that we are debating something that is not debatable.

Just so we are clear, are you saying that racism does not exist or that it does exist but you're ok with that?

Let me unpack this so there can be no mistaking my point, even by someone who plays willingly ignorant.
It is not debatable that something cannot both be correct and incorrect at the same time. This is because it's a logical contradiction. Likewise, you can't be a married bachelor, black isn't white and up isn't down. Either there's racial oppression against blacks or there's not.
I'm saying there's not.

Nobody is forced to the back of the bus, black people are more likely to accost white people than vice versa which would not be the case if white supremacism were running around smacking everybody else up and if there were to be racist inclinations among the public, it's largely the black community that is racist towards others. Racism though, is not the same thing as racial oppression.

Has anyone confirmed with Kaepernick that he is protesting for BLM? I assumed that he was protesting the destruction of the sacred wall at Nippert Stadium.