I've never wanted athletes to take a stand on anything. So I'll be in the group that wants the to STFU regardless. If they absolutely need to take a stand they can find another way that doesn't disrespect such a large percentage of Americans, IMO.

(09-17-2016 05:12 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  I've never wanted athletes to take a stand on anything. So I'll be in the group that wants the to STFU regardless. If they absolutely need to take a stand they can find another way that doesn't disrespect such a large percentage of Americans, IMO.

But that's exactly why they choose a stage like that to do so. Because it gets a maximum number of people paying attention.

(09-19-2016 07:44 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 05:12 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  I've never wanted athletes to take a stand on anything. So I'll be in the group that wants the to STFU regardless. If they absolutely need to take a stand they can find another way that doesn't disrespect such a large percentage of Americans, IMO.

But that's exactly why they choose a stage like that to do so. Because it gets a maximum number of people paying attention.

it's the only way they will get people to listen to them. They have a voice and I respect them for using it, they're more influential to the younger generations than anyone else.

(09-20-2016 11:09 AM)Seahawkfan716 Wrote:  it's the only way they will get people to listen to them. They have a voice and I respect them for using it, they're more influential to the younger generations than anyone else.

Yep. And it's not like this is the only thing a guy like Kaepernick is doing to make a difference. I believe he has already donated $1 million to social justice groups, and another $50K or so to Harlem students.

I always thought Kaep was an immature punk early in his career, but I think he's done a lot of growing up in recent years.

(09-20-2016 11:55 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:09 AM)Seahawkfan716 Wrote:  it's the only way they will get people to listen to them. They have a voice and I respect them for using it, they're more influential to the younger generations than anyone else.

I always thought Kaep was an immature punk early in his career, but I think he's done a lot of growing up in recent years.

I agree about the immature punk, but where we don't agree is i think he's gotten worse.

(09-20-2016 01:28 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:55 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:09 AM)Seahawkfan716 Wrote:  it's the only way they will get people to listen to them. They have a voice and I respect them for using it, they're more influential to the younger generations than anyone else.

I always thought Kaep was an immature punk early in his career, but I think he's done a lot of growing up in recent years.

I agree about the immature punk, but where we don't agree is i think he's gotten worse.

Hoops and I are on the same page.

(09-21-2016 02:58 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 01:28 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:55 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 11:09 AM)Seahawkfan716 Wrote:  it's the only way they will get people to listen to them. They have a voice and I respect them for using it, they're more influential to the younger generations than anyone else.

I always thought Kaep was an immature punk early in his career, but I think he's done a lot of growing up in recent years.

I agree about the immature punk, but where we don't agree is i think he's gotten worse.

Hoops and I are on the same page.

I agree with SN08 it isn't that he is utilizing this for attention, he is actually making an attempt to spur change for the better.

Find it interesting when people take a knee or raise a fist people freak out, but someone gets shot, or faces systematic oppression and everyone goes quiet.

I'm not quiet on those things. I prefer to reserve my opinion until all facts are brought to light. There's a huge difference. There's no "facts" we need to wait on to have an opinion of Kaepernick's protest style. There are a lot of facts and evidence to consider in law enforcement cases. Case in point is that kid in Missouri that caused the whole BLM movement. Everyone rushed to judgment and chided those who stayed quiet. Turns out the kid was a d@mn criminal and none of the social media "facts" that inflamed the protest turned out to be even close to true.

The current cases in Oklahoma and Charlotte being the same way. The Tulsa one doesn't look good and today an officer was charged with first degree manslaughter. No protest there. By contrast, in Charlotte we have a black victim who had a gun who was shot by a black police officer. And somehow you want me to be outraged? How about I exercise a little common sense and wait for more facts on that one before I jump onto the progressive bandwagon? I find it odd that's the one in which Charlotte wants to get all crazy about. Seems to me like a bunch of thugs out there just want an excuse to act like fools and try and get their hands on free sh-t by looting. Because nothing says "social justice" by breaking windows to a shoe store and stealing the latest Jordans.

The number of cases of police brutality are overwhelming. At some point you can't just victim blame in every single case, and have to recognize the poor race relations we have in this country are very real, rather than pick apart the ones that "matter" and those that don't, or otherwise turn a blind eye. I get that you want to wait for the facts, but you can find those very easily.

We have a problem in this country, and have to work on them if we want to rightfully consider ourselves the greatest country on the planet again...which I believe we can be, and have an opportunity to show our character now, at this moment in history.

Kaep is donating millions to social justice groups. A lot more than I can say I'm doing about the situation. Hence why I think it's absurd to still consider him a "punk". He's on the cover of Time Magazine, for pete's sake.

In 1938, TIME Magazine declared Adolf Hitler its Person of the Year. I don't put any credence to someone because they're on the cover of some stupid media outlet only interested in making money off of confrontations.

Again, not saying you don't have a legit point. You absolutely do. And I agree it's something that needs to be talked about and fixed on some level. However, it's my personal opinion that Kaepernick is doing it in a bad way. Kudos to him for donating money. I'd like to see him live a day or two in the life of a LE officer and also in a shoot or don't shoot scenario and see how he reacts.

Regardless, I have the logical high ground by reserving judgment and holding my tongue and thoughts on law enforcement cases in which the general public doesn't have access to all the facts. You can continue to argue that if you want but I don't know why you would.

Have a good night. I'm tired.

There is a lot of conflicting information regarding the Charlotte case, and I agree with the call for patience (for lack of a better word). More information is needed to really draw a conclusion. Honestly, as bad as the video looks from the Tulsa video, I don't believe that the officer will be found guilty. The officer stated that the vehicle was running, and that Mr. Crutcher appeared to be high...I've always found it strange that the disabled vehicle was straddling the double-yellow lines. If his car was running, that supports the claim that he was under the influence. I'm getting side-tracked, because none of that justifies a shooting, but exemplifies the complexity of each situation.

What troubles me the most is the cop in the helicopter stating that Crutcher "is a bad dude". Based on what? It seems obviously based on his physical characteristics, which is exactly why there is, and should be, such outrage. Nation stated that we "...have to recognize the poor race relations we have in this country are very real, rather than pick apart the ones that "matter" and those that don't, or otherwise turn a blind eye." How do we find a solution when much of our effort is convincing others that there's a problem?

Can I also make it clear I'm not anti-law enforcement in any way? I understand the police have an incredibly difficult task. We ask them to do too much in this country. We ask them not only to bring order but also, at times, to play the role of social worker, holding juveniles accountable more often than they should (that's a parent's job!), etc. I value police officers and what they do.

But that's just one more problem with this debate. If you support the Black Lives Matter movement in any way, you get branded as being anti-law enforcement. And that's far too simplistic and very inaccurate. This isn't really bad cops we're talking about. This is institutional racism that goes to a much higher level. It also speaks to our attitude as a nation.

The fact that people focus more on Kaep's taking a knee during an anthem, sending him death threats in the process, and the fact that we're seeing schools across the country FORCE kids to show patriotism (which is, in fact, not at all patriotism), further supports the viewpoint that not that many people care that much about the REASON Kaepernick is taking a knee. Very few people are doing anything about the issue at hand, and even try to argue that there is no issue. The black community has known this to be going on for decades, but far too many people just put the blinders on.

http://portcitydaily.com/2016/09/23/spor...d-for-now/

Golf tournament going to be moved from Southport if Hb2 not repealed. Volleyball is safe and so is soccer if we earn the right to host

No movement on tennis at elon or our baseball tournament at this time

(09-23-2016 09:48 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Can I also make it clear I'm not anti-law enforcement in any way? I understand the police have an incredibly difficult task. We ask them to do too much in this country. We ask them not only to bring order but also, at times, to play the role of social worker, holding juveniles accountable more often than they should (that's a parent's job!), etc. I value police officers and what they do.

But that's just one more problem with this debate. If you support the Black Lives Matter movement in any way, you get branded as being anti-law enforcement. And that's far too simplistic and very inaccurate. This isn't really bad cops we're talking about. This is institutional racism that goes to a much higher level. It also speaks to our attitude as a nation.

The fact that people focus more on Kaep's taking a knee during an anthem, sending him death threats in the process, and the fact that we're seeing schools across the country FORCE kids to show patriotism (which is, in fact, not at all patriotism), further supports the viewpoint that not that many people care that much about the REASON Kaepernick is taking a knee. Very few people are doing anything about the issue at hand, and even try to argue that there is no issue. The black community has known this to be going on for decades, but far too many people just put the blinders on.

Your statement is far too simplistic.

Most of the issues we see are in big cities, where poverty and crime are far more prevalent. 500 plus murders in Chicago already is beyond comprehension. People seem to forget that big cities arose from the industrial age to supply labor to manufacturers. Over the past 30 years, manufacturing has been sucked out of America, leaving these huge population centers without stable and well paying jobs.

Minus these jobs, inner city residents have turned to the government. And this turn toward government requires that women have kids without men in the homes in order to gain housing, food stamps and cash benefits. So, there is a compounded problem of young men raised without fathers, reliance on government to survive, and little desire to gain employment that may not provide the income and benefits the government provides.

This also leaves low skilled men to the streets seeking to earn income any way possible. So, crime arises as a result.

And along come our law enforcement. We ask them to police an area where there is little respect for the law, and resistance is the norm not the rule. They put their lives on the line, and then armchair quarterbacks play instant replay ref from the comfort of their living rooms on their iPhones. Having ZERO idea what it means to put on a uniform, and willingly going into situations nobody else will.

IMO, there should be a different classification for LEO's who may end up shooting or killing someone on the job. After all, if you make a mistake baking a cake, your mistake is a mad customer. But if you make a mistake in a life in death situation as an LEO, the nature of your job means another human being could be shot or killed.

If something doesn't change, someone please tell my why ANYONE would choose to be an LEO?

I decided to wait and hear the full story.

Well... Here it is.

Again, I'm siding with the cops as being completely justified.

http://americanmilitarynews.com/2016/09/...had-a-gun/

What gets me is that, are we all not taught at a young age to comply with a police officer? In most of these cases over the last few years if people just complied, we don't see the unfortunate end result. Do i think some of them should have been shot? Of course not. But there is a whole hell of a lot better chance they are all alive if they had just listened to the officers demands.

Just this past weekend, buddy and I were on a fishing trip, passed a sheriff checkpoint, We pull over. Sheriff comes to the window, my buddy announces, officer i have conceal permit and my handgun is right there in the console. Officer asked him to step out of the car, he does. Officer checks his information, checks gun, says thank you and have a good night. Could that have been different if he didn't comply?

(09-26-2016 07:33 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  What gets me is that, are we all not taught at a young age to comply with a police officer? In most of these cases over the last few years if people just complied, we don't see the unfortunate end result. Do i think some of them should have been shot? Of course not. But there is a whole hell of a lot better chance they are all alive if they had just listened to the officers demands.

Just this past weekend, buddy and I were on a fishing trip, passed a sheriff checkpoint, We pull over. Sheriff comes to the window, my buddy announces, officer i have conceal permit and my handgun is right there in the console. Officer asked him to step out of the car, he does. Officer checks his information, checks gun, says thank you and have a good night. Could that have been different if he didn't comply?

Compliance is definitely a key component in situations like these. But there is unfortunately some instances where it wouldn't solve everything.

There is just some innate sense of "insecurity" around certain races with people. And that is only going to fade away with time and through interaction in the communities, and the communities interacting with the police. Efforts need to be made by both sides.

I think the proof of this is in Tulsa where the guy in the helicopter says, that is a big bad dude. And knew nothing about him.

(09-26-2016 12:09 PM)Seahawkfan716 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:33 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  What gets me is that, are we all not taught at a young age to comply with a police officer? In most of these cases over the last few years if people just complied, we don't see the unfortunate end result. Do i think some of them should have been shot? Of course not. But there is a whole hell of a lot better chance they are all alive if they had just listened to the officers demands.

Just this past weekend, buddy and I were on a fishing trip, passed a sheriff checkpoint, We pull over. Sheriff comes to the window, my buddy announces, officer i have conceal permit and my handgun is right there in the console. Officer asked him to step out of the car, he does. Officer checks his information, checks gun, says thank you and have a good night. Could that have been different if he didn't comply?

Compliance is definitely a key component in situations like these. But there is unfortunately some instances where it wouldn't solve everything.

There is just some innate sense of "insecurity" around certain races with people. And that is only going to fade away with time and through interaction in the communities, and the communities interacting with the police. Efforts need to be made by both sides.

I think the proof of this is in Tulsa where the guy in the helicopter says, that is a big bad dude. And knew nothing about him.

I agree, but 90% of the time compliance avoids the end result.

82, I just don't agree that we can't talk about this stuff with some measure of critical thinking just because we aren't cops. The police work on taxpayer dime. Not to mention, ANYONE can become an officer with, what...6 months of BLET? As such we MUST talk about these issues and about what can be done.

Along with that comes a responsibility to HELP the police, and to try to understand from their perspective. I don't want to come off as bashing the police, as I stated. I'm aware my views may be misguided in many ways, and want to understand. I also agree that the police are asked to do too much by us the taxpayers.

Negative. I think the onus is on certain communities to stop with the thuggish behavior towards police. There's a certain aura of automatic "f you" type responses and behaviors during interactions with police from the majority of the BLM crowd. That's exactly what gets people killed.

Sure, there are isolated incidents in which use of force is used beyond reason. Those need to be dealt with and fixed. The incident in Tulsa, the officer is already charged with a felony, first degree manslaughter. That's a no joke prison sentence coming her way. Could have been avoided if she used more caution in terms of use of force.

Regardless, the BLM community and their supporters need to stop demanding police accept all the responsibility and work towards improving their attitudes and interactions with police on a daily basis.

IMO, the root problem is a growing lack of respect for authority that has festered in this country in the last several decades.