(09-26-2016 06:13 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Miles is a winner and he is an ace recruiter

Tulane fans would kill to have Miles as their coach...

So would UC. Your point?

(09-25-2016 05:11 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  No chance. Memphis is a dream job. His wife loves it there. So much going on. Memphis on the rise. Better than LSU.

Sounds like someone has a hard-on for Memphis.

(09-26-2016 05:24 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 05:06 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 04:50 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 04:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  You can't make a subjective judgement that Miles can't coach when he's 114-34, 5 top 10 finishes, two nat'l title game & a nat'l championship winner at LSU - while playing in the SEC west. Maybe you don't like him. Fine. And maybe it was time for a new coach at LSU but your assertion that Miles can't coach is just subjective BS opinion....just look no further than his record, end of story.

I like him very much and my POV is absolutely not a subjective judgement. It was time. Maybe LSU folks have too high a standard but they put their money and time where their mouth is (and believe me I am no fan of corn dog nation). It is hardly a great situation and they never should have extended him but it was time. It's easy to look strictly at the record and most programs would be happy for that record but this is not (at least in the fan support and booster's eys) a run of the mill program.

Your "POV" is the very definite of subjective judgement. His record would be the objective consideration.

I have no bias, I am reading what I see on the field, in the stands, from boosters, facilities, recruiting environment etc. Being objective doesn;t mean the only thing you look at is winning percentage over his entire tenure. It's like a Tubby at Kentucky. Hell look at Tubberville himself, he went 85-40 at Auburn (0.680 clip).

You apparently disagree but my POV is not without merit. I work with a number of very successful LSU alums, they are all sad but think it was the right move. A local poll has it at 80% approval of the firing. Are they nutty-ish corndogs, perhaps, but it was time (like I said). It's a harsh reality coaching elite college programs.

Again, I am a Tulane alum from the northeast, I have zero affinity for LSU. I watch the games cause of the wife. Secretly I hope they go 0-12 every year (don't let her know).

Anecdotal support doesn't change an opinion from subjective to objective. Miles has proved he can coach by his record & achievements. I can agree it was time at the end of last season for LSU to find a new coach (because it too is a subjective opinion) but no way you can say Miles can't coach. LSU has also showed it's poor form by firing Miles after 4 wks - and this will affect its ability to find the coach they want.

U need to re-evaluate definitions. In ur world Miles has a certain winning % and that's it, apparantly. That myopic POV is not how elite programs operate. This is not difficult.

(09-26-2016 07:18 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 05:11 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  No chance. Memphis is a dream job. His wife loves it there. So much going on. Memphis on the rise. Better than LSU.

Sounds like someone has a hard-on for Memphis.

We do play his precious black bears Saturday

I'm still trying to figure out why the OP wanted to pick on Memphis. If I was the LSU AD, I'm pretty sure I would take Norvell over Herman.

Hell, there have to be 40 coaches LSU would take before Norvell right now. Just trying to figure out why that was the target.

(09-26-2016 06:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 06:18 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 05:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  they won't be after Norvell...he has proven nothing

Your boy is gone though UH, if LSU wants him

And sadly(I mean this with all sincerity because I like UC) nobody is trying to rip Tubbs away from your program.
I thought he was a terrible choice for Texas Tech and I felt bad when you guys got him.
Can you all pay him to go coach somewhere else?

yup...sadly is right. If I could, I'd fire him today. So would a lot of UC fans.

Texas Tech fans were right. What we took as sour grapes was just reality....

hopefully we get into a B12 conference, put ol Tubs out to pasture and get a real coach

I always liked Tubby at AU, but it was time for him to move on there. He is a good coach, but I thought UC made a mistake by deviating from their previous strategy. They had a great streak of hiring young up-and-comers.

(09-26-2016 11:10 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 05:24 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 05:06 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 04:50 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  I like him very much and my POV is absolutely not a subjective judgement. It was time. Maybe LSU folks have too high a standard but they put their money and time where their mouth is (and believe me I am no fan of corn dog nation). It is hardly a great situation and they never should have extended him but it was time. It's easy to look strictly at the record and most programs would be happy for that record but this is not (at least in the fan support and booster's eys) a run of the mill program.

Your "POV" is the very definite of subjective judgement. His record would be the objective consideration.

I have no bias, I am reading what I see on the field, in the stands, from boosters, facilities, recruiting environment etc. Being objective doesn;t mean the only thing you look at is winning percentage over his entire tenure. It's like a Tubby at Kentucky. Hell look at Tubberville himself, he went 85-40 at Auburn (0.680 clip).

You apparently disagree but my POV is not without merit. I work with a number of very successful LSU alums, they are all sad but think it was the right move. A local poll has it at 80% approval of the firing. Are they nutty-ish corndogs, perhaps, but it was time (like I said). It's a harsh reality coaching elite college programs.

Again, I am a Tulane alum from the northeast, I have zero affinity for LSU. I watch the games cause of the wife. Secretly I hope they go 0-12 every year (don't let her know).

Anecdotal support doesn't change an opinion from subjective to objective. Miles has proved he can coach by his record & achievements. I can agree it was time at the end of last season for LSU to find a new coach (because it too is a subjective opinion) but no way you can say Miles can't coach. LSU has also showed it's poor form by firing Miles after 4 wks - and this will affect its ability to find the coach they want.

U need to re-evaluate definitions. In ur world Miles has a certain winning % and that's it, apparantly. That myopic POV is not how elite programs operate. This is not difficult.

You're just changing your premise that "Miles can't coach" to something related to LSU firing him. Miles record proves he can coach. Your premise originally was not about the program but about Miles' coaching ability. I'm simply stating your position that Miles can't coach is BS. You have to look no further than Miles' record playing in the toughest div of the toughest conference in college FB to confirm Miles can coach - which includes the ability to recruit top talent, BTW as part of college "coaching". As with the won-loss record, Miles' recruiting ability is also an objective matter of record.

With that settled, at least to my satisfaction, if you want to discuss the LSU decision to fire Miles, let's talk. I think LSU made to wrong decision to keep Miles after last season. That was the time, not now just before the SEC schedule gets underway. That's poor form on LSU admin. Miles is stubborn & has refused to evolve to effectively compete at the top level of the SEC. Miles prefers a very low risk offense & tough defense. But even with talented defense in the SEC today, schools still give up points, to the higher risk offenses now in vogue. Coaches have to adapt, evolve. Even at UA, Saban has allowed Lane Kiffin to open up the offense to meet the challenges expected (see OM game, look forward to UT game, and possibly Clemson or OSU at the end of the year).

(09-27-2016 09:45 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 11:10 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 05:24 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 05:06 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 04:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Your "POV" is the very definite of subjective judgement. His record would be the objective consideration.

I have no bias, I am reading what I see on the field, in the stands, from boosters, facilities, recruiting environment etc. Being objective doesn;t mean the only thing you look at is winning percentage over his entire tenure. It's like a Tubby at Kentucky. Hell look at Tubberville himself, he went 85-40 at Auburn (0.680 clip).

You apparently disagree but my POV is not without merit. I work with a number of very successful LSU alums, they are all sad but think it was the right move. A local poll has it at 80% approval of the firing. Are they nutty-ish corndogs, perhaps, but it was time (like I said). It's a harsh reality coaching elite college programs.

Again, I am a Tulane alum from the northeast, I have zero affinity for LSU. I watch the games cause of the wife. Secretly I hope they go 0-12 every year (don't let her know).

Anecdotal support doesn't change an opinion from subjective to objective. Miles has proved he can coach by his record & achievements. I can agree it was time at the end of last season for LSU to find a new coach (because it too is a subjective opinion) but no way you can say Miles can't coach. LSU has also showed it's poor form by firing Miles after 4 wks - and this will affect its ability to find the coach they want.

U need to re-evaluate definitions. In ur world Miles has a certain winning % and that's it, apparantly. That myopic POV is not how elite programs operate. This is not difficult.

You're just changing your premise that "Miles can't coach" to something related to LSU firing him. Miles record proves he can coach. Your premise originally was not about the program but about Miles' coaching ability. I'm simply stating your position that Miles can't coach is BS. You have to look no further than Miles' record playing in the toughest div of the toughest conference in college FB to confirm Miles can coach - which includes the ability to recruit top talent, BTW as part of college "coaching". As with the won-loss record, Miles' recruiting ability is also an objective matter of record.

With that settled, at least to my satisfaction, if you want to discuss the LSU decision to fire Miles, let's talk. I think LSU made to wrong decision to keep Miles after last season. That was the time, not now just before the SEC schedule gets underway. That's poor form on LSU admin. Miles is stubborn & has refused to evolve to effectively compete at the top level of the SEC. Miles prefers a very low risk offense & tough defense. But even with talented defense in the SEC today, schools still give up points, to the higher risk offenses now in vogue. Coaches have to adapt, evolve. Even at UA, Saban has allowed Lane Kiffin to open up the offense to meet the challenges expected (see OM game, look forward to UT game, and possibly Clemson or OSU at the end of the year).

I said he can't coach at a top10 program level, which he cannot.

I agree they should have fired him after last season, but the economics at LSU were a mess and the admin and legislature caved. The AD is next in line to be fired. He got fooled by Miles agent to give him an extension.

Miles doesn't coach either side of the ball. His one job is clock management in which he is pathetic. He is great for a lower level P5 but his time was up at LSU. After the Alabama destruction in 2011 things were progressing poorly, again it was time. If your argument is "look at his winning %, that's it", then that is a weak argument as LSU fancies themselves (right or wrong) as a perennial national title contender which has not been the case for five years. Again, a bad LSU is good for my fandom, not sure why I keep coming back to discuss this issue.

(09-26-2016 06:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 06:18 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  

(09-25-2016 05:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  they won't be after Norvell...he has proven nothing

Your boy is gone though UH, if LSU wants him

And sadly(I mean this with all sincerity because I like UC) nobody is trying to rip Tubbs away from your program.
I thought he was a terrible choice for Texas Tech and I felt bad when you guys got him.
Can you all pay him to go coach somewhere else?

yup...sadly is right. If I could, I'd fire him today. So would a lot of UC fans.

Texas Tech fans were right. What we took as sour grapes was just reality....

hopefully we get into a B12 conference, put ol Tubs out to pasture and get a real coach

The powers to be obviously chose tubs hoping that he could get them into the Big 12 .
They had no idea that he could also ruin their program

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(09-26-2016 10:19 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Briles to Auburn.
Herman to LSU.

Yeah.... sad to say, but you will know it's going down if you go undefeated, and are in the national conversation about a possible playoff spot, until one game late in the season you, for no apparent reason, lose against Navy in a big way, and then the next one, and you will be luck to end the season in the top25. Then before your bowl, you will get the news that your DC will now be your coach for the bowl game.

(09-27-2016 07:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm still trying to figure out why the OP wanted to pick on Memphis. If I was the LSU AD, I'm pretty sure I would take Norvell over Herman.

Hell, there have to be 40 coaches LSU would take before Norvell right now. Just trying to figure out why that was the target.

C'mon, I seriously can't be the only person who thinks highly of your coach... Compliment given. My

(09-27-2016 01:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:19 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Briles to Auburn.
Herman to LSU.

Yeah.... sad to say, but you will know it's going down if you go undefeated, and are in the national conversation about a possible playoff spot, until one game late in the season you, for no apparent reason, lose against Navy in a big way, and then the next one, and you will be luck to end the season in the top25. Then before your bowl, you will get the news that your DC will now be your coach for the bowl game.

Very posible Herman bolts to LSU but if Houston bolts to a high revenue conference too things suddenly change in Houston's favor almost instantly.

(09-29-2016 08:35 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 01:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:19 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Briles to Auburn.
Herman to LSU.

Yeah.... sad to say, but you will know it's going down if you go undefeated, and are in the national conversation about a possible playoff spot, until one game late in the season you, for no apparent reason, lose against Navy in a big way, and then the next one, and you will be luck to end the season in the top25. Then before your bowl, you will get the news that your DC will now be your coach for the bowl game.

Very posible Herman bolts to LSU but if Houston bolts to a high revenue conference too things suddenly change in Houston's favor almost instantly.

That is looking less likely by the day. As a Houston fan I'd take solace in the fact that Houston has a great track record of hiring successful replacement coaches.

(09-29-2016 08:40 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 08:35 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 01:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 10:19 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Briles to Auburn.
Herman to LSU.

Yeah.... sad to say, but you will know it's going down if you go undefeated, and are in the national conversation about a possible playoff spot, until one game late in the season you, for no apparent reason, lose against Navy in a big way, and then the next one, and you will be luck to end the season in the top25. Then before your bowl, you will get the news that your DC will now be your coach for the bowl game.

Very posible Herman bolts to LSU but if Houston bolts to a high revenue conference too things suddenly change in Houston's favor almost instantly.

That is looking less likely by the day. As a Houston fan I'd take solace in the fact that Houston has a great track record of hiring successful replacement coaches.

And that would okay by me... If this league remains intact, tv partners know they're gonna have to increase this crappy insulting current tv deal.