(09-26-2016 06:32 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I have no clue whether Lambert has real sources or just makes this stuff up. But if what he's saying about BYU is true, and the school does announce Honor Code changes, there's a chance we could be looking at a BYU plus Houston expansion. And that would be kind of nuts, given that it would do nothing to solve the problem of WVU being on an island while at the same time creating a brand new island a thousand miles in the opposite direction.

The WVU island isn't really a problem that needs solving.

WVU is *against* Cincinnati to the Big 12, and that's the closest candidate by far (too bad Navy isn't a Big 12 candidate).

LOL! WV is a problem and they have stated so.

(09-26-2016 07:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 06:32 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I have no clue whether Lambert has real sources or just makes this stuff up. But if what he's saying about BYU is true, and the school does announce Honor Code changes, there's a chance we could be looking at a BYU plus Houston expansion. And that would be kind of nuts, given that it would do nothing to solve the problem of WVU being on an island while at the same time creating a brand new island a thousand miles in the opposite direction.

The WVU island isn't really a problem that needs solving.

WVU is *against* Cincinnati to the Big 12, and that's the closest candidate by far (too bad Navy isn't a Big 12 candidate).

Where does this WVa against Cincinnati stuff come from? West Virginia will do anything to get Cincy in the league. WV is a dying state with a population smaller and poorer than the Cincy metro. WV desperately wants games in the Cincy metro to provide:
1. An away game their fans can attend
2. A market with potential students
3. A way to interact with alumni in western Ohio
4. Improve academic reputation by being associated with UC

WV was very supportive of UC to the Big East and they are the primary backer of UC to the Big 12. It is much more important than football recruiting for WV.

(09-26-2016 07:15 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 06:32 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I have no clue whether Lambert has real sources or just makes this stuff up. But if what he's saying about BYU is true, and the school does announce Honor Code changes, there's a chance we could be looking at a BYU plus Houston expansion. And that would be kind of nuts, given that it would do nothing to solve the problem of WVU being on an island while at the same time creating a brand new island a thousand miles in the opposite direction.

The WVU island isn't really a problem that needs solving.

WVU is *against* Cincinnati to the Big 12, and that's the closest candidate by far (too bad Navy isn't a Big 12 candidate).

Where does this WVa against Cincinnati stuff come from? West Virginia will do anything to get Cincy in the league. WV is a dying state with a population smaller and poorer than the Cincy metro. WV desperately wants games in the Cincy metro to provide:
1. An away game their fans can attend
2. A market with potential students
3. A way to interact with alumni in western Ohio
4. Improve academic reputation by being associated with UC

WV was very supportive of UC to the Big East and they are the primary backer of UC to the Big 12. It is much more important than football recruiting for WV.

From WVU fans and alumni.

WVU recruits Ohio. There are currently over 20 Ohio players on the WVU football roster. A promoted Cincinnati impinges on WVU's recruiting territory. Same exact issue that Big 8 schools have with Houston - even though they have alumni and potential students in southeastern Texas.

(09-26-2016 04:37 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 02:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 02:06 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I've followed expansion a long long time....I tend to think this isn't going to happen. It's sort of Houston/Cincinnati or bust...

The Big XII has severe functional issues....we'll just have to see if any teams are signed AND if anyone resigns the GOR

If people at Oklahoma were smart, they'd be looking elsewhere

I've followed realignment since Memphis was trying to crack the Big East in 2003 with Louisville and Cincy, and I've followed it almost full time since 2010, since I'm retired.

I don't think the Big 12 has any choice but to expand. They are the smallest P5 in number, and the smallest in geographic and TV footprint. UT's LHN contract runs through 2031, iirc. And OU's Boren has already said they prefer to stay in the Big 12.

But they have 4 schools in Texas, 2 in Kansas, 2 in Oklahoma, and one each in Iowa and WV.

They will make $400M (less phase-in payouts) on each 2 schools. Adding UC adds a bridge to WVU, and picks up a populous state with a great recruiting area.

Adding Houston shores up an eroding Texas fanbase caused by A&M's defection to the SEC, and adds the best current G5 in football.

UConn has a great market, really good academics, is a state flagship, has great MBB, and has the best WBB program ever developed. FB and geography are downers, but with WVU already in that direction, and UC added, it makes more sense.

Both FL twins are huge schools with great markets, great recruiting, and huge upsides. At least one of them would make sense, even if it creates another island.

Then there is another school on the Mississippi River, that has a top 50 market, a great BB program, a resurgent FB program, and great corporate and administrative support. And great facilities that nobody realizes yet, with much more to come. And is close by, between the B12 and UC/WVU.

Out of those 6 programs, I think 4 will be added to the Big 12. JMO.

I'm with you....I think 4 SHOULD be added....

Whether or not the Big XII will do that is a different story...

They are really a dysfunctional conference

I don't think a single person here would argue with the dysfunctional part. They have dragged out this process for years, as the candidate schools involved can tell you.

However, they do seem to slowly be bringing this to some conclusion. In the end, if they actually add 4 good G5 teams (I think all 6 above fit the bill), then I think all the bad PR about the process will quickly fade, and the performance of the new schools will determine what direction the B12 takes from there.

(09-26-2016 07:34 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:15 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 06:32 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I have no clue whether Lambert has real sources or just makes this stuff up. But if what he's saying about BYU is true, and the school does announce Honor Code changes, there's a chance we could be looking at a BYU plus Houston expansion. And that would be kind of nuts, given that it would do nothing to solve the problem of WVU being on an island while at the same time creating a brand new island a thousand miles in the opposite direction.

The WVU island isn't really a problem that needs solving.

WVU is *against* Cincinnati to the Big 12, and that's the closest candidate by far (too bad Navy isn't a Big 12 candidate).

Where does this WVa against Cincinnati stuff come from? West Virginia will do anything to get Cincy in the league. WV is a dying state with a population smaller and poorer than the Cincy metro. WV desperately wants games in the Cincy metro to provide:
1. An away game their fans can attend
2. A market with potential students
3. A way to interact with alumni in western Ohio
4. Improve academic reputation by being associated with UC

WV was very supportive of UC to the Big East and they are the primary backer of UC to the Big 12. It is much more important than football recruiting for WV.

From WVU fans and alumni.

WVU recruits Ohio. There are currently over 20 Ohio players on the WVU football roster. A promoted Cincinnati impinges on WVU's recruiting territory. Same exact issue that Big 8 schools have with Houston - even though they have alumni and potential students in southeastern Texas.

T-shirt fans from WV have no idea who the school supports or why. WV is likely to get more Ohio recruits with UC in the Big 12 than they get now.

(09-26-2016 08:37 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:34 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:15 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 06:32 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I have no clue whether Lambert has real sources or just makes this stuff up. But if what he's saying about BYU is true, and the school does announce Honor Code changes, there's a chance we could be looking at a BYU plus Houston expansion. And that would be kind of nuts, given that it would do nothing to solve the problem of WVU being on an island while at the same time creating a brand new island a thousand miles in the opposite direction.

The WVU island isn't really a problem that needs solving.

WVU is *against* Cincinnati to the Big 12, and that's the closest candidate by far (too bad Navy isn't a Big 12 candidate).

Where does this WVa against Cincinnati stuff come from? West Virginia will do anything to get Cincy in the league. WV is a dying state with a population smaller and poorer than the Cincy metro. WV desperately wants games in the Cincy metro to provide:
1. An away game their fans can attend
2. A market with potential students
3. A way to interact with alumni in western Ohio
4. Improve academic reputation by being associated with UC

WV was very supportive of UC to the Big East and they are the primary backer of UC to the Big 12. It is much more important than football recruiting for WV.

From WVU fans and alumni.

WVU recruits Ohio. There are currently over 20 Ohio players on the WVU football roster. A promoted Cincinnati impinges on WVU's recruiting territory. Same exact issue that Big 8 schools have with Houston - even though they have alumni and potential students in southeastern Texas.

T-shirt fans from WV have no idea who the school supports or why. WV is likely to get more Ohio recruits with UC in the Big 12 than they get now.

I disputes that WV is "against" their old Big East rival Ciny joining them in the Big 12. That's ridiculous.
Cheers!

(09-26-2016 01:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 01:47 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Texas gets a team (Houston). The Big 8 schools + WV get a team (Cincy).

Compromise. Done

Exactly what I said from the beginning.

Who would have a problem with that, and what would be their explanation?

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia and Oklahoma State says no. I think a couple of Texas schools will go with them against Houston. BYU is already out and dead.

Cincinnati, UCF, USF and maybe they will go after Boise State as football only, and not a full conference voting member. They need the strongest team in football that is not Houston and Boise State is the choice really.

(09-26-2016 08:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 01:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 01:47 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Texas gets a team (Houston). The Big 8 schools + WV get a team (Cincy).

Compromise. Done

Exactly what I said from the beginning.

Who would have a problem with that, and what would be their explanation?

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia and Oklahoma State says no. I think a couple of Texas schools will go with them against Houston. BYU is already out and dead.

Cincinnati, UCF, USF and maybe they will go after Boise State as football only, and not a full conference voting member. They need the strongest team in football that is not Houston and Boise State is the choice really.

Just stop.

Do I see some jealousy from Bearkats fans about Boise State?

(09-26-2016 08:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 01:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 01:47 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Texas gets a team (Houston). The Big 8 schools + WV get a team (Cincy).

Compromise. Done

Exactly what I said from the beginning.

Who would have a problem with that, and what would be their explanation?

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia and Oklahoma State says no. I think a couple of Texas schools will go with them against Houston. BYU is already out and dead.

Cincinnati, UCF, USF and maybe they will go after Boise State as football only, and not a full conference voting member. They need the strongest team in football that is not Houston and Boise State is the choice really.

David, did you miss the Boise State president announcing the Broncos were out?

Please don't acknowledge him.

Do you go up to some with Down syndrome and try to strike up a conversation??

(09-26-2016 09:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Please don't acknowledge him.

Do you go up to some with Down syndrome and try to strike up a conversation??

I'm not really talking to David. Just talking to those reading his posts unaware.

Unless Texas is willing to extend the GOR, there's absolutely 0 chance Houston gets in the big 12.

Every non-Texas school especially the old big 12 ones would in no freakin way in hell give Texas another lacky to control while getting no assurance from Texas.

With BYU out, Cincinnati is the only school that might have 8 votes (and that's probably not the case either). Without a 12 the chance of expansion is pretty much 0.

Unless OU and UT are willing to extend the GOR, I pretty sure expansion is dead.

(09-26-2016 07:15 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 06:32 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I have no clue whether Lambert has real sources or just makes this stuff up. But if what he's saying about BYU is true, and the school does announce Honor Code changes, there's a chance we could be looking at a BYU plus Houston expansion. And that would be kind of nuts, given that it would do nothing to solve the problem of WVU being on an island while at the same time creating a brand new island a thousand miles in the opposite direction.

The WVU island isn't really a problem that needs solving.

WVU is *against* Cincinnati to the Big 12, and that's the closest candidate by far (too bad Navy isn't a Big 12 candidate).

Where does this WVa against Cincinnati stuff come from? West Virginia will do anything to get Cincy in the league. WV is a dying state with a population smaller and poorer than the Cincy metro. WV desperately wants games in the Cincy metro to provide:
1. An away game their fans can attend
2. A market with potential students
3. A way to interact with alumni in western Ohio
4. Improve academic reputation by being associated with UC

WV was very supportive of UC to the Big East and they are the primary backer of UC to the Big 12. It is much more important than football recruiting for WV.

I don't know where its coming from. That said, a travel partner helps the rest of the Big12, it doesn't really do that much for W Virginia. Its not about playing WV getting games with Cincy. They can do that by just picking up the phone.

Frankly, I think Cincy makes a huge amount of sense for the Big12, but if W Virginia gets a lot of recruits from Ohio, then it makes much more sense for them to oppose Cincy due to recruiting issues than it does for the northern schools to oppose Houston on the same issue. The northern schools don't really get that many recruits from Houston anymore where as WV apparently gets a ton a recruits from Ohio.

(09-26-2016 09:44 PM)ccbfan Wrote:  Unless Texas is willing to extend the GOR, there's absolutely 0 chance Houston gets in the big 12.

Every non-Texas school especially the old big 12 ones would in no freakin way in hell give Texas another lacky to control while getting no assurance from Texas.

With BYU out, Cincinnati is the only school that might have 8 votes (and that's probably not the case either). Without a 12 the chance of expansion is pretty much 0.

Unless OU and UT are willing to extend the GOR, I pretty sure expansion is dead.

That's how I'm seeing it. I think with no GOR and 4 teams, Houston could be added. But there is no way Houston is one of just two teams. I think this is where they are stuck. Boren started this because he wanted to improve the footprint of the conference, and Houston doesn't do that and gives TX even more power over the league. But UT and the TX schools won't support UC/UConn.

If it happens, I think it's UC, UH, UConn and USF. But that's looking less likely.

(09-27-2016 12:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:15 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 07:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 06:32 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I have no clue whether Lambert has real sources or just makes this stuff up. But if what he's saying about BYU is true, and the school does announce Honor Code changes, there's a chance we could be looking at a BYU plus Houston expansion. And that would be kind of nuts, given that it would do nothing to solve the problem of WVU being on an island while at the same time creating a brand new island a thousand miles in the opposite direction.

The WVU island isn't really a problem that needs solving.

WVU is *against* Cincinnati to the Big 12, and that's the closest candidate by far (too bad Navy isn't a Big 12 candidate).

Where does this WVa against Cincinnati stuff come from? West Virginia will do anything to get Cincy in the league. WV is a dying state with a population smaller and poorer than the Cincy metro. WV desperately wants games in the Cincy metro to provide:
1. An away game their fans can attend
2. A market with potential students
3. A way to interact with alumni in western Ohio
4. Improve academic reputation by being associated with UC

WV was very supportive of UC to the Big East and they are the primary backer of UC to the Big 12. It is much more important than football recruiting for WV.

I don't know where its coming from. That said, a travel partner helps the rest of the Big12, it doesn't really do that much for W Virginia. Its not about playing WV getting games with Cincy. They can do that by just picking up the phone.

Frankly, I think Cincy makes a huge amount of sense for the Big12, but if W Virginia gets a lot of recruits from Ohio, then it makes much more sense for them to oppose Cincy due to recruiting issues than it does for the northern schools to oppose Houston on the same issue. The northern schools don't really get that many recruits from Houston anymore where as WV apparently gets a ton a recruits from Ohio.

They get a decent number, but frankly playing in a conference with UC for seven years in the Big East did not prevent them from recruiting Ohio-- particularly on the eastern side of the state where it is closer for a kid to drive to Morgantown than it is to Cincinnati. Sure one could argue UC took a recruit or two away from WVU back then but it was nothing on a large scale.

(09-27-2016 08:34 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 09:44 PM)ccbfan Wrote:  Unless Texas is willing to extend the GOR, there's absolutely 0 chance Houston gets in the big 12.

Every non-Texas school especially the old big 12 ones would in no freakin way in hell give Texas another lacky to control while getting no assurance from Texas.

With BYU out, Cincinnati is the only school that might have 8 votes (and that's probably not the case either). Without a 12 the chance of expansion is pretty much 0.

Unless OU and UT are willing to extend the GOR, I pretty sure expansion is dead.

That's how I'm seeing it. I think with no GOR and 4 teams, Houston could be added. But there is no way Houston is one of just two teams. I think this is where they are stuck. Boren started this because he wanted to improve the footprint of the conference, and Houston doesn't do that and gives TX even more power over the league. But UT and the TX schools won't support UC/UConn.

If it happens, I think it's UC, UH, UConn and USF. But that's looking less likely.

Actually the rumors at the start (Dave Stitler) were that Houston was one of Boren's favorites. He has never used the word "footprint."

(09-26-2016 01:35 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  http://landgrantgauntlet.com/2016/09/26/...ing-apart/

Landgrant Gauntlet article from the Dude.

Blurb that caught my eye:

"Let’s clear something up, despite 11 schools being interviewed by the conference, no other schools – other than BYU, Cincinnati and Houston – are being seriously considered. So, if the Big 12 passes on BYU and cannot get enough votes to add Cincinnati or Houston, then expansion is dead."

That would mean UConn, UCF and USF are not likely to receive an invite.

The whole Big 12 expansion process is a mess. They made a huge mistake in making their intentions public. Now, if they decide not to expand, they will look even more foolish.

The Big 12 people are truly buffoons.

B12 expansion process...