(10-14-2016 07:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 07:11 PM)Comet Wrote:  Rock bottom would be when the GoR approaches and Texas/OU go in separate directions. They're still far from that.

This.

Rock bottom ain't here yet....though someone might take that shovel away from UT and tell them to stop digging.

Don't blame UT. They are just looking for a way out of the mess they helped create. A&M being in The SEC while they are exiled to football purgatory is hard to handle in Austin
CJ

(10-14-2016 07:05 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Don't let facts get in the way.....

"There's also some history here. Executives at ESPN and Fox remember 2010 when they helped hold the conference together against the Pac-12's raid by keeping rights fees at the 12-team level, even though the Big 12 was reduced to 10 teams..."

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn-a...ion-080116

Fox signed a new contract with the Big 12 when the Big 12 was 10 teams that is a simple fact

ESPN signed a contract with the big 12 when the Big 12 was 10 teams that is a simple fact

here is when WVU and TCU joined the Big 12

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.d...=205499646

it was July 1, 2012

here is the Big 12 signing a contract with ESPN and Fox in Sept of 2012

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.d...=205680799

anyone that has a functioning brain understands that Sept of 2012 is AFTER July of 2012

it just does not get any more simple than that even a total simpleton should be able to understand that

as the article states the agreement signed in Sept 2012 when the big 12 was a 10 team conference including TCU and WVU replaced a contract with ESPN that was scheduled to end in 2015-16

the article you are linking to was written by a total moron that has zero integrity and it was designed to appeal to low information sports fans that do not have any ability to use reason, facts or common sense

the article I linked also clearly states that the deal with Fox was also augmented in Sept of 2012 and it clearly states that the Fox agreement was originally signed "last spring"

and anyone that has intellect above the 4th grade level understands that "last spring" from Sept 2012 would be the spring of 2011.....and anyone that has a clue would know that in the spring of 2011 the Big 12 was a 10 team conference

here is an article from June of 2010

in this article it is made clear that NU is leaving the Big 12

http://www.espn.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276551

here is a second article from mid 2010

http://www.espn.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5271438

that article makes it clear that CU is leaving the Big 12

so for those that are extremely slow and that are intellectually challenged by the Gregorian Calendar lets go over this slowly

it was 100% known that the Big 12 was losing CU and NU in the middle of 2010

the Big 12 would have been 10 teams at the beginning of 2011

the Big 12 link I posted above shows that in Sept of 2012 the Big 12 signed a brand new TV deal with ESPN which would not only have been when the Big 12 was 10 teams, but it would have been when the Big 12 was 10 teams with TCU and WVU as members because I also provided a link where it was known that TCU and WVU were in the Big 12 several months before Sept of 2012

in the same link where it is clear that ESPN and the Big 12 signed a contract with a 10 team Big 12 including TCU and WVU it also states that Fox augmented an agreement they signed "last spring" and "last spring" was spring of 2011 after it was known that the Big 12 was going to be 10 teams

so unless one is totally intellectually bankrupt it is clear that the Big 12 is getting paid based on 10 teams not 12

and it is clear that the ESPN deal with the Big 12 was signed when ESPN knew the Big 12 was a 10 team league that included TCU and WVU

and while the contract with Fox that was signed when the Big 12 was 10 teams was signed with A&M and MU as members that does not change the fact that it was signed when the Big 12 was 10 teams

and it is also clear that Fox was not bothered by the change in teams from A&M and MU to TCU and WVU because several months after that change Fox augmented their agreement from the prior year and slightly increased their payments to get some better picks when it was clear the Big 12 was 10 teams with WVU and TCU as members

finally here is a link that shows the Sugar Bowl deal for 12 years was signed in Nov of 2012 which is after the Big 12 was a 10 team conference with TCU and WVU as members

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...l-air-game

so yes we all should use actual facts instead of falling victim to articles written by intellectually and integrity challenged idiots designed to appeal to those that have no clue and that are ignorant of the facts and reality and that can't use a calendar

Network officials, however, are not happy with any plan that depends on steep rights-fee increases, even if such increases are spelled out in the media contracts.

There’s also some history here. Executives at ESPN and Fox remember 2010 when they helped hold the conference together against the Pac-12’s raid by keeping rights fees at the 12-team level, even though the Big 12 was reduced to 10 teams — Nebraska left for the Big Ten, while Colorado departed for the Pac-12. That was under the previous Big 12 administration led by former Commissioner Dan Beebe.

In this latest round of expansion, network executives say the Big 12 is putting the conference’s financial gain ahead of its quality. ESPN and Fox concede that the conference’s expansion plans would increase game inventory, but the quality of teams coming from outside of the power five would not enhance the Big 12 to warrant the aggressive rights-fee increases....

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...12-TV.aspx


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(10-14-2016 07:58 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Network officials, however, are not happy with any plan that depends on steep rights-fee increases, even if such increases are spelled out in the media contracts.

There’s also some history here. Executives at ESPN and Fox remember 2010 when they helped hold the conference together against the Pac-12’s raid by keeping rights fees at the 12-team level, even though the Big 12 was reduced to 10 teams — Nebraska left for the Big Ten, while Colorado departed for the Pac-12. That was under the previous Big 12 administration led by former Commissioner Dan Beebe.

In this latest round of expansion, network executives say the Big 12 is putting the conference’s financial gain ahead of its quality. ESPN and Fox concede that the conference’s expansion plans would increase game inventory, but the quality of teams coming from outside of the power five would not enhance the Big 12 to warrant the aggressive rights-fee increases....

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/08/01/Media/Big-12-TV.aspx


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That's a difficult argument to make when Houston blew away their best program... and a game such as Houston vs Cincinnati drew ratings that would compare favorably with the higher end of the Big 12.

ESPN was obviously trying to talk their way out of a contract they agreed to.

(10-14-2016 02:10 PM)MAcFroggy Wrote:  If making more than every conference aside from the SEC and Big 10 is rock bottom then I will take it.

This is the same line used every time when tbese matters come up. Companies are valied on their future prospects not on their current ones. ESPN overpaid the Big 12 to stay together in 2010. That is the only reason why they are 3rd. When the negotiations come up next time they will be a big fat 5th if the status quo doesn't change. Cmon man.

(10-14-2016 04:23 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Absolutely idiotic article. Last year they finished #5, #7, #13 and #20 in FBall and #3, #4, #14, #15 and #24 in Bball. For a ten team league that is very solid. So their normal powerhouse FBall teams have had a bad start to 2016 and now they have hit "rock bottom".

Total useless click bait.

The basketball numbers are an aberration. Its Kansas and everyone else. Oklahoma has a great year then loses by 1000 points in the Final Four. Texas hasn't been as consistently good as prior periods. Iowa State always seems to have a solid regular season and then nothing, etc.

(10-14-2016 07:58 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Network officials, however, are not happy with any plan that depends on steep rights-fee increases, even if such increases are spelled out in the media contracts.

There’s also some history here. Executives at ESPN and Fox remember 2010 when they helped hold the conference together against the Pac-12’s raid by keeping rights fees at the 12-team level, even though the Big 12 was reduced to 10 teams — Nebraska left for the Big Ten, while Colorado departed for the Pac-12. That was under the previous Big 12 administration led by former Commissioner Dan Beebe.

In this latest round of expansion, network executives say the Big 12 is putting the conference’s financial gain ahead of its quality. ESPN and Fox concede that the conference’s expansion plans would increase game inventory, but the quality of teams coming from outside of the power five would not enhance the Big 12 to warrant the aggressive rights-fee increases....

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal...12-TV.aspx


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(10-14-2016 08:12 PM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 02:10 PM)MAcFroggy Wrote:  If making more than every conference aside from the SEC and Big 10 is rock bottom then I will take it.

This is the same line used every time when tbese matters come up. Companies are valied on their future prospects not on their current ones. ESPN overpaid the Big 12 to stay together in 2010. That is the only reason why they are 3rd. When the negotiations come up next time they will be a big fat 5th if the status quo doesn't change. Cmon man.

so what the two of you are saying is that you are so unintelligent and so void of reality that you are going to ignore the irrefutable fact that:

1. Fox never over paid the Big 12 by paying for 12 teams when the Big 12 was 10 teams because the Fox contract with the Big 12 ended at the end of 2010 when the Big 12 was still 12 teams and a brand new contract was signed in the spring of 2011 when the Big 12 was 10 teams

2. you are going to ignore the fact that the ESPN contract that was in place in 2010 and that ended in 2015-16 is no longer in place and was totally and completely replace with a brand new contract in Sept of 2012 when the Big 12 was a 10 team league with TCU and WVU as members and at that dame time the Fox contract from the spring of 2011 that was signed when the Big 12 was 10 teams was also augmented and when that contract from the spring of 2011 was augmented in Sept of 2012 Fox knew that the Big 12 was STILL 10 teams and that the Big 12 had TCU and WVU as members

3. the Sugar Bowl deal was signed in Nov of 2012 when the Big 12 was 10 teams with TCU and WVU

I realize the world needs dupes to, but why do said dupes make their ignorance and avoidance of reality so public and why do they cling to it in spite of all irrefutable reality

you can post up any articles you wish published by any buffoon you want and that does not change the fact that the Big 12 is getting paid currently and for the next 9 years based on contracts that were signed and or augmented when the Big 12 was a 10 team league with TCU and WVU as members

refusing to ignore all reality and continuing to post the same ethically bankrupt and easily dismissed opinions of some sports writer moron does not alter the actual reality of the Big 12 contracts no matter how much you wish it would

PS David State welcomes you to the fold...

This whole process has been horrendously handled. They need good leadership there

(10-14-2016 08:29 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  This whole process has been horrendously handled. They need good leadership there

Rick Bottom...

A Big XII bashing thread started by an ACC fan? Shocker.

(10-14-2016 08:46 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  A Big XII bashing thread started by an ACC fan? Shocker.

I know
Ain't it awesome...

(10-14-2016 08:46 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  A Big XII bashing thread started by an ACC fan? Shocker.

It's what they do. Some of them still take the time to bash us (AAC) too, but they are dwindling. In all fairness, a lot of AAC posters couldn't move on from CUSA bashing until recently. Poor CUSA, now the fun belt folks have taken our place as the official CUSA bashers; there's been a few mac attacks reported as well.
Cheers!

(10-14-2016 08:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 08:46 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  A Big XII bashing thread started by an ACC fan? Shocker.

It's what they do. Some of them still take the time to bash us (AAC) too, but they are dwindling. In all fairness, a lot of AAC posters couldn't move on from CUSA bashing until recently. Poor CUSA, now the fun belt folks have taken our place as the official CUSA bashers; there's been a few mac attacks reported as well.
Cheers!

I don't really care what happens to the Big XII one way or the other since the PAC-12 is the only P5 conference I care about more or less and the school I root for will be in G5 purgatory for the foreseeable future but it's interesting it's the fans of ACC schools that have no hope of getting into the B1G and SEC that want the demise of the Big XII so bad.

(10-14-2016 09:27 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 08:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 08:46 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  A Big XII bashing thread started by an ACC fan? Shocker.

It's what they do. Some of them still take the time to bash us (AAC) too, but they are dwindling. In all fairness, a lot of AAC posters couldn't move on from CUSA bashing until recently. Poor CUSA, now the fun belt folks have taken our place as the official CUSA bashers; there's been a few mac attacks reported as well.
Cheers!

I don't really care what happens to the Big XII one way or the other since the PAC-12 is the only P5 conference I care about more or less and the school I root for will be in G5 purgatory for the foreseeable future but it's interesting it's the fans of ACC schools that have no hope of getting into the B1G and SEC that want the demise of the Big XII so bad.

When can you guys rejoin us, bring one of your in state friends. The day you come back I'm adding a UTEP shirt & hat to my college collection. I probably will either way but it will mean more if you're w/ us.

I don't really get why not expanding is viewed from a Big 12 perspective to be so bad. I get that fans of schools want in (I'm even cheering for one or two), but they'll have the "13th data point next year" and, on average, every team in the conference will be toward the top more often, which makes it far easier to bottom level teams to rise up. It also slightly decreases the playoff/major bowl odds, but on a per team basis, the conference is probably ahead.

(10-15-2016 01:58 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 09:27 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 08:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 08:46 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  A Big XII bashing thread started by an ACC fan? Shocker.

It's what they do. Some of them still take the time to bash us (AAC) too, but they are dwindling. In all fairness, a lot of AAC posters couldn't move on from CUSA bashing until recently. Poor CUSA, now the fun belt folks have taken our place as the official CUSA bashers; there's been a few mac attacks reported as well.
Cheers!

I don't really care what happens to the Big XII one way or the other since the PAC-12 is the only P5 conference I care about more or less and the school I root for will be in G5 purgatory for the foreseeable future but it's interesting it's the fans of ACC schools that have no hope of getting into the B1G and SEC that want the demise of the Big XII so bad.

When can you guys rejoin us, bring one of your in state friends. The day you come back I'm adding a UTEP shirt & hat to my college collection. I probably will either way but it will mean more if you're w/ us.

Looks like we need to start up a football program first, damn it.

(10-14-2016 07:05 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Don't let facts get in the way.....

"There's also some history here. Executives at ESPN and Fox remember 2010 when they helped hold the conference together against the Pac-12's raid by keeping rights fees at the 12-team level, even though the Big 12 was reduced to 10 teams..."

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn-a...ion-080116

Quoting the Dude has more credibility than quoting Clay Travis.

(10-14-2016 08:12 PM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 02:10 PM)MAcFroggy Wrote:  If making more than every conference aside from the SEC and Big 10 is rock bottom then I will take it.

This is the same line used every time when tbese matters come up. Companies are valied on their future prospects not on their current ones. ESPN overpaid the Big 12 to stay together in 2010. That is the only reason why they are 3rd. When the negotiations come up next time they will be a big fat 5th if the status quo doesn't change. Cmon man.

Well since the Big 12 has been the 2nd strongest football conference for most of the last 10 years and has generally been 3rd in TV ratings (on comparable networks), being paid 3rd is about the right place.

(10-14-2016 08:16 PM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 04:23 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Absolutely idiotic article. Last year they finished #5, #7, #13 and #20 in FBall and #3, #4, #14, #15 and #24 in Bball. For a ten team league that is very solid. So their normal powerhouse FBall teams have had a bad start to 2016 and now they have hit "rock bottom".

Total useless click bait.

The basketball numbers are an aberration. Its Kansas and everyone else. Oklahoma has a great year then loses by 1000 points in the Final Four. Texas hasn't been as consistently good as prior periods. Iowa State always seems to have a solid regular season and then nothing, etc.

Basketball numbers are pretty consistent. Big 12 has had the highest RPI 3 years running. There's only one Kansas, but there are a lot of good solid programs. They have been way ahead of the Pac 12 and SEC in recent years.

(10-15-2016 08:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 08:12 PM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  

(10-14-2016 02:10 PM)MAcFroggy Wrote:  If making more than every conference aside from the SEC and Big 10 is rock bottom then I will take it.

This is the same line used every time when tbese matters come up. Companies are valied on their future prospects not on their current ones. ESPN overpaid the Big 12 to stay together in 2010. That is the only reason why they are 3rd. When the negotiations come up next time they will be a big fat 5th if the status quo doesn't change. Cmon man.

Well since the Big 12 has been the 2nd strongest football conference for most of the last 10 years and has generally been 3rd in TV ratings (on comparable networks), being paid 3rd is about the right place.

True of the B12 of the past, not true for the past three years, and that is before the nosedive their ratings have so far this year.

Cheers,
Neil