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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 12:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 08:38 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  UCONN is the #1 program to be screwed over by conference realignment. It's not even close.

Houston was in the big time for quite a while.

Cincinnati has been FBS for a lot longer than UConn as well.

I think they both have a better case.

UConn made their own bed by not moving up in the early 90s when they could have. And then they added to their difficulties by suing the ACC.

The suing thing is much overblown... After all, they were partners in the suit. And no one ripped the ACC and BC as much as Pitt's President.
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(10-24-2016 12:43 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 09:17 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Really stupid for ESPN or fox to buyout the pro rate clause, doubt the big 12 expands in any cas

From a long term standpoint it is pretty stupid. It does look like them colluding to control the sport.

Eliminating the pro rata clause does not prohibit expansion. It only means that if the B12 does want to expand, it has to renegotiate the TV deal based upon the value added by the new members rather than having a guaranteed amount per additional school.

They dramatically underpay AAC teams, and they are bumping up the B12 to NOT add AAC teams.

You can see why this is looked at as screwy.
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I'm in favor of schools making their own deals individually. It would be a lot of work, but that's how it should be done.
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(10-24-2016 12:57 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  I'm in favor of schools making their own deals individually. It would be a lot of work, but that's how it should be done.

I have been of that opinion since the Eighties.
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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 11:25 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 10:04 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 09:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 09:12 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 08:26 AM)westwolf Wrote:  http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-husk...olumn.html

Grow up, CT

Think about that. Gov. Malloy doesn't have to jump ugly in public, but a strong message of cooperation should be clear. You want tax breaks from the state? Give the state flagship university some breaks.


Wow. How banana-republic corrupt should we ask ESPN to be?

Well they are corrupt we already know that. The Gov and the legislature should have put that pressure on ESPN a long time ago when there actually were openings. Now the problem is leagues aren't really looking to expand. They should have pulled that card when the ACC was in full raid mode.

What is your definition of corrupt? That they don't do what you would like them to do? That they make business decisions designed to benefit their stakeholders? That they pay more to the conferences that they think will make them more profitable?

College football is a business. The entertainment business, to be more precise. In that business, the stars get paid more than the rest of the cast, because the public has made clear that's who they want to see perform.

In other businesses, some brands are perceived to be better than others in ways that consumers value. Mercedes can charge more for their cars because of their perceived superiority. Should governments step in and insist that consumers pay as much for a Chevy or a Kia because that's "fairer" to all the competitors in the auto industry?

UConn is a Johnny-come-lately to big time sports, especially football. ESPN has helped them get as far as they have. But it's not ESPN's job to subsidize them just so they can play on a bigger stage than they played in before the Big East was formed.

There is UConn's problem in one sentence. UConn should have invested in football decades ago, but didn't. Failure to do so haunts them today.

In fairness to UConn, when might they have made that investment? Growing up in the NYC area, I wasn't aware that UConn played football. Major college football in the region barely existed at the time. There was Syracuse, Army and Boston College and.....well, basically nobody else. After WWII, Army declined as a major player, and BC had little national reputation.

As it turns out, UConn had been playing football for many years, but just regionally. And by region, I mean New England. Occasionally they would venture as far as Philly, and even Richmond. But they were in a small bus league (the Yankee Conference) and filled out their schedule with local schools like Yale, Northeastern and Holy Cross. On Sunday morning, you could find the scores of their games in the local NY papers, but you had to look hard for them.

It wasn't until the Big East was formed, and Providence's Dave Gavitt invited UConn, that UConn had a chance to be noticed outside New England in any sport. But the Big East didn't play football, so the Huskies continued playing in obscurity in the Yankee conference. Who else would they play?

Once they became competitive in hoops, and got visibility through ESPN's highly popular broadcasts of Big East games, they might have had a chance. But would it really have made that much difference today if UConn had joined the Big East in football by 1990 instead of 2003? They would still be a newbie by P5 standards. And they would still be in New England, where college football isn't a high priority.

It sucks for UConn, but what can they do?
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It's time to kick in some doors!
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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 08:26 AM)westwolf Wrote:  http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-husk...olumn.html

Grow up, CT


I love the headline .... nice typo Hartford Courant. Can't get past that to read the whining ...

It's Time For UConn To Start Kicking Down Doors At NCAA, ESPN After Big 12 Fisaco
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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 12:54 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 08:38 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  UCONN is the #1 program to be screwed over by conference realignment. It's not even close.

Houston was in the big time for quite a while.

Cincinnati has been FBS for a lot longer than UConn as well.

I think they both have a better case.

UConn made their own bed by not moving up in the early 90s when they could have. And then they added to their difficulties by suing the ACC.

The suing thing is much overblown... After all, they were partners in the suit. And no one ripped the ACC and BC as much as Pitt's President.

CT took the lead and the state elected that guy as your Senator.
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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 02:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:54 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 08:38 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  UCONN is the #1 program to be screwed over by conference realignment. It's not even close.

Houston was in the big time for quite a while.

Cincinnati has been FBS for a lot longer than UConn as well.

I think they both have a better case.

UConn made their own bed by not moving up in the early 90s when they could have. And then they added to their difficulties by suing the ACC.

The suing thing is much overblown... After all, they were partners in the suit. And no one ripped the ACC and BC as much as Pitt's President.

CT took the lead and the state elected that guy as your Senator.

CT, Cincinnati and BYU might be tough to stop.
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(10-24-2016 12:12 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The thing that should happen is an
Equal shot to the playoff system
And then revenue would take care of itself
Who would watch the 8 divisions of NFL
Football if only 4 of the divisions have a chance
For the post season

FBS football is the only sport on any level that is like that
The cartel saw Bosie State getting
too popular and knocking off big
Programs so they fixed that with the
New playoff system
All FBS schools have the same path to the playoffs.

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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 02:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:12 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The thing that should happen is an
Equal shot to the playoff system
And then revenue would take care of itself
Who would watch the 8 divisions of NFL
Football if only 4 of the divisions have a chance
For the post season

FBS football is the only sport on any level that is like that
The cartel saw Bosie State getting
too popular and knocking off big
Programs so they fixed that with the
New playoff system
All collegiate sports except FBS schools have the same path to the playoffs.

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FIFY.
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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 02:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:54 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 08:38 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  UCONN is the #1 program to be screwed over by conference realignment. It's not even close.

Houston was in the big time for quite a while.

Cincinnati has been FBS for a lot longer than UConn as well.

I think they both have a better case.

UConn made their own bed by not moving up in the early 90s when they could have. And then they added to their difficulties by suing the ACC.

The suing thing is much overblown... After all, they were partners in the suit. And no one ripped the ACC and BC as much as Pitt's President.

CT took the lead and the state elected that guy as your Senator.

So you think the initiator of the suit--though there were other parties to it--bears more of the anger? Rather than schools that, for instance, publicly insulted and berated (Pitt) the heads of the schools sued? Not to mention the fact that at an academic event attended by presidents and boards of trustees, the top Syracuse person went after Father Leahy at BC and called him outright "a liar" to the other assembled bigwigs? The lawsuit stings, but not the insults and embarrassments? You may be right, but I tend to think the reason why the lawsuit became a convenient excuse was best explained by BCs AD when he said that BC wanted no competition in New England. This is much closer to the truth.
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(10-24-2016 09:03 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I get UConn is upset but the arguments in this article are a bunch of whining with little thought put into them. For example:

Quote:The 65 Power 5 schools that commandeer the great majority of revenue in college sports want no change beyond cherry-picking a school here and there to corral more revenue

Standard argument you hear lot from northeast liberals, that wealth is all one big finite pie so you getting your share means someone else's share must be smaller. False. CFB wealth comes from TV contracts and it is not the P5 preventing ESPN of CBS or Fox from offering the AAC a 20 million dollar contract.

Quote:This leaves 63 schools, known as the Group of 5, trying to play big-time football without the big-time revenue. Can 18 percent of the NCAA Division I membership make a lot of noise? Sure. Can those five conferences push through NCAA legislation to help level the football field?

So, you're saying the problem is that you want to play at the highest and most expensive level of CFB but its not fair that you can't spend as much as others do at this level so it's up to the NCAA, the body that has nothing to do with paying schools for FB TV contracts, to step in and make things fair?

Quote:This leaves 15-20 schools that could put together a huge all-fronts battle to gain some kind of equitable distribution before they spend themselves into oblivion.


There it is again. A failure to understand that the uneven money comes from TV revenue and that the neither the NCAA or the P5 have any say or control over because of:

Quote:Unfortunately, it goes far beyond that. In NCAA v. Oklahoma Board of Regents, the Supreme Court ruled in 1984 the NCAA television plan violated the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust Acts and was a restraint of open competition and trade. The conferences and the big-time networks have been free for decades to make their own individual deals

Wait so you DO understand! You're not AGAINST monopoly! You just want to NCAA to have it's old TV monopoly restored so that it can redistribute wealth to YOU that you cant get from the TV contracts. But again, this is northeast politics talking ey Comrade?

Quote:The Power 5 conferences essentially can act as a cartel, restricting membership, doling out hundreds of millions of dollars to long-standing weaker conference cronies while more competitive athletic programs are left on the outside.

It's called freedom of association and it applies to all private clubs including your AAC who doesn't have to let in Maine or Delaware or anyone else just because they think it's more fair if they are allowed in. But again, that nasty "freedom" word is getting in the way of equality and fairness isnt it Comrades?

Quote:Can't there be a meeting of the minds among the NCAA, the Power 5 and networks for some kind of revenue sharing formula from its vast goldmine based on money invested into football, into athletic programs to help mitigate Group of 5 losses?

So once again, neither the NCAA or the P5 have any say or control over what TV offers to pay for your products. You don't like this so your solution is "Restore the NCAA TV monopoly so they may redistribute the wealth to us!"

Yee haw! Finally someone who gets it! You tell 'em, Cleetus!

Them Northeast liberal types simply don't understand economics like us real Americans do.

Tell those "progressives" with their slicked back hair and their unfriendly manner towards strangers that they're plum outta luck if they think they're gonna play football with the big boys.

Also, leave our damn guns alone! Don't you know that Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the YOU-nighted States and yet those people is killin' each other left and right - therefore proving that all gun laws are ineffective. You feelin' me, Cleet?

If we want to restrict competition that's how it's gonna be and there ain't nothin' they or their Jew attorneys can do about it. They can try but it won't mean a cotton pickin' thing cause we has the law on our side, ain't that right, Cleet?



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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 03:51 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 02:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:12 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The thing that should happen is an
Equal shot to the playoff system
And then revenue would take care of itself
Who would watch the 8 divisions of NFL
Football if only 4 of the divisions have a chance
For the post season

FBS football is the only sport on any level that is like that
The cartel saw Bosie State getting
too popular and knocking off big
Programs so they fixed that with the
New playoff system
All collegiate sports except FBS schools have the same path to the playoffs.

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FIFY.

Well, that's just not true. Both Alabama and South Alabama have the same path to the playoffs - get ranked in the top 4 by the CFP committee.
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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 12:12 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The thing that should happen is an
Equal shot to the playoff system
And then revenue would take care of itself
Who would watch the 8 divisions of NFL
Football if only 4 of the divisions have a chance
For the post season

FBS football is the only sport on any level that is like that
The cartel saw Bosie State getting
too popular and knocking off big
Programs so they fixed that with the
New playoff system


That is why Boise State could go with the P5 if there is a split. What the other P4 could do that Big 12 refuse to do is hold their nose, and invite most of the teams on that list and then some to block the Big 12 from expanding ever again. Cincinnati, UConn, Temple, Navy (ACC for Notre Dame deal), Boise State, San Diego State, Houston, Memphis and so forth. Navy is a school that I heard that ACC could be interested in as an expansion candidate for the future since they play Notre Dame as a rival every year.
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RE: Lot of whining in Connecticut
(10-24-2016 04:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 03:51 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 02:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:12 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The thing that should happen is an
Equal shot to the playoff system
And then revenue would take care of itself
Who would watch the 8 divisions of NFL
Football if only 4 of the divisions have a chance
For the post season

FBS football is the only sport on any level that is like that
The cartel saw Bosie State getting
too popular and knocking off big
Programs so they fixed that with the
New playoff system
All collegiate sports except FBS schools have the same path to the playoffs.

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FIFY.

Well, that's just not true. Both Alabama and South Alabama have the same path to the playoffs - get ranked in the top 4 by the CFP committee.

They don't have the same path to the playoffs. South Alabama has an obvious disadvantage because it doesn't have the automatic slate of respected opponents that Alabama gets to play every year.

Just that inability to play an approved group of teams doesn't allow USA to compete.
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(10-24-2016 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:57 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  I'm in favor of schools making their own deals individually. It would be a lot of work, but that's how it should be done.

I have been of that opinion since the Eighties.

The complaints would actually be worse in that scenario.
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(10-24-2016 05:36 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 12:57 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  I'm in favor of schools making their own deals individually. It would be a lot of work, but that's how it should be done.

I have been of that opinion since the Eighties.

The complaints would actually be worse in that scenario.

Why? Your worth would essentially be determined by your ratings when and if you appear on TV. Your 3rd tier rights would be farmed off locally. What would be the complaint, if your ratings were down?
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Nothing is stopping UConn from going independent and making their own tv deal now.
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(10-24-2016 09:15 AM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 08:26 AM)westwolf Wrote:  http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-husk...olumn.html

Grow up, CT

Whining is an integral element of the fanbase.

That's some hard-hitting expertise there, Oh Wise Sage!
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