Except for Illinois and Minnesota, looks like Trump wins most B1G states. Never thought that a Republican would ever do that again .

(11-09-2016 05:53 AM)fsquid Wrote:  The dems will come after it in the midterms. If Trump has big plans, he has to get them passed in the next two years

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Good advice that Obama didn't take, but Republicans probably pick up seats big time in 2 years. There are a lot of Democrats up for Senate and Republicans typically do better in the House in off years.

They made a monumental mistake running her. We played an extremely dangerous game nominating a colossal *******. Got lucky that he had so many outside forces to bring her down and hand it to him.

I'm sure the Trumpers will continue to delude themselves into believing Trump single handedly pulled this off himself though. Unicorns and all.

Now we all pray he doesn't revert to his true self and **** us all.

Pretty much a repudiation of everything DC. People act all surprised but this typically happens after 8 years of the same POTUS, People want change so the other party wins. Trump's "Build a Wall" marketing ploy pretty much equaled Obama's "Hope and Change" marketing ploy. Also, can we finally say screw the polls? Polls are not correct and this election, and the primaries proves that.

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Those numbers...


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(11-09-2016 08:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Pretty much a repudiation of everything DC. People act all surprised but this typically happens after 8 years of the same POTUS, People want change so the other party wins. Trump's "Build a Wall" marketing ploy pretty much equaled Obama's "Hope and Change" marketing ploy. Also, can we finally say screw the polls? Polls are not correct and this election, and the primaries proves that.

To some extent the talking heads (and Nate Silver) ignored the polls. RCP showed it 272-266 Clinton yet Silver was talking 320s. The Fox people admitted last night they had written off Trump and believed the Clinton camp claiming they would win Florida because Puerto Ricans were registered to vote. Trump was closing in MI, WI, PA and except for the one outlier, NH was almost a dead heat. Trump people were telling the one Fox guy on Friday they didn't understand why they were still talking about North Carolina, that it was in the bag.

They were in their inside the beltway bubble (or DC-NYC bubble). That mentality is why Trump and why Sanders. Media and politicians don't have contact with many real people.

The RCP average missed PA, MI and WI, but it did show narrowing. Karl Rove made the comment the other day something to the effect, "Come on, there have been 37 polls in Michigan and Donald Trump has trailed in every one. Same in Pennsylvania." But he was ignoring the latest polls were within the margin of error and there were a Yuuugge number of undecided. It also missed Nevada the other way, but the latest polls were moving towards Clinton in Nevada. Looks like the final count will be 306-232, so its just those 4 states that got missed. It did miss the margins, especially in states like Ohio and Iowa where Trump won by nearly 10.

It wasn't necessarily GIGO on the polls. More it was simply garbage out with people seeing the poll results through their own paradigm which clearly didn't apply this year. Even Nate pointed out that error as related to Brexit but failed to apply it to this election.

(11-09-2016 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 08:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Pretty much a repudiation of everything DC. People act all surprised but this typically happens after 8 years of the same POTUS, People want change so the other party wins. Trump's "Build a Wall" marketing ploy pretty much equaled Obama's "Hope and Change" marketing ploy. Also, can we finally say screw the polls? Polls are not correct and this election, and the primaries proves that.

To some extent the talking heads (and Nate Silver) ignored the polls. RCP showed it 272-266 Clinton yet Silver was talking 320s. The Fox people admitted last night they had written off Trump and believed the Clinton camp claiming they would win Florida because Puerto Ricans were registered to vote. Trump was closing in MI, WI, PA and except for the one outlier, NH was almost a dead heat. Trump people were telling the one Fox guy on Friday they didn't understand why they were still talking about North Carolina, that it was in the bag.

They were in their inside the beltway bubble (or DC-NYC bubble). That mentality is why Trump and why Sanders. Media and politicians don't have contact with many real people.

The RCP average missed PA, MI and WI, but it did show narrowing. Karl Rove made the comment the other day something to the effect, "Come on, there have been 37 polls in Michigan and Donald Trump has trailed in every one. Same in Pennsylvania." But he was ignoring the latest polls were within the margin of error and there were a Yuuugge number of undecided. It also missed Nevada the other way, but the latest polls were moving towards Clinton in Nevada. Looks like the final count will be 306-232, so its just those 4 states that got missed. It did miss the margins, especially in states like Ohio and Iowa where Trump won by nearly 10.

The problem with polling is that today polling is not used to report opinion, it is used to shape opinion. Hopefully people will FINALLY wake up to the fact that polls are not gospel. In fact, people should just ignore polls.

(11-09-2016 09:09 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 08:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Pretty much a repudiation of everything DC. People act all surprised but this typically happens after 8 years of the same POTUS, People want change so the other party wins. Trump's "Build a Wall" marketing ploy pretty much equaled Obama's "Hope and Change" marketing ploy. Also, can we finally say screw the polls? Polls are not correct and this election, and the primaries proves that.

To some extent the talking heads (and Nate Silver) ignored the polls. RCP showed it 272-266 Clinton yet Silver was talking 320s. The Fox people admitted last night they had written off Trump and believed the Clinton camp claiming they would win Florida because Puerto Ricans were registered to vote. Trump was closing in MI, WI, PA and except for the one outlier, NH was almost a dead heat. Trump people were telling the one Fox guy on Friday they didn't understand why they were still talking about North Carolina, that it was in the bag.

They were in their inside the beltway bubble (or DC-NYC bubble). That mentality is why Trump and why Sanders. Media and politicians don't have contact with many real people.

The RCP average missed PA, MI and WI, but it did show narrowing. Karl Rove made the comment the other day something to the effect, "Come on, there have been 37 polls in Michigan and Donald Trump has trailed in every one. Same in Pennsylvania." But he was ignoring the latest polls were within the margin of error and there were a Yuuugge number of undecided. It also missed Nevada the other way, but the latest polls were moving towards Clinton in Nevada. Looks like the final count will be 306-232, so its just those 4 states that got missed. It did miss the margins, especially in states like Ohio and Iowa where Trump won by nearly 10.

The problem with polling is that today polling is not used to report opinion, it is used to shape opinion. Hopefully people will FINALLY wake up to the fact that polls are not gospel. In fact, people should just ignore polls.

Megyn Kelly really just annoyed me once, when she was interviewing Newt and started talking about how the polls showed people wanted to know about the sex stuff. Media is way too hung up on polls and on the horse race.

Some of my fellow Fraternity brothers are losing it. One is just gone. Calling for Trump supporters to put a pineapple up your butt, dropping the F bombs, etc

And so you come to the internet to celebrate, instead of telling them off in person ....

(11-09-2016 11:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  And so you come to the internet to celebrate, instead of telling them off in person ....

*cough* Do as I say, not as I do! *cough*

Except that I didn't ever squeal about co-workers being pissed off

neither did he...

so it looks like Trump will finish with 304

Yes he did

so fraternity brothers are co-workers? I thought co-workers were people that you work with...

(11-09-2016 11:15 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Some of my fellow Fraternity brothers are losing it. One is just gone. Calling for Trump supporters to put a pineapple up your butt, dropping the F bombs, etc

Are you in a fraternity of 3rd graders?