(11-15-2016 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thiel doesn't count as far as I'm concerned. I'm not aware of him pulling business. Pay Pal pulled business, but that's not him. I'm not aware of Thiel ever risking anything for the community. Or really doing anything for our community. Thiel is out for himself. He's not really a part of any community.

So a gay man goes out, makes a success of his life, is accepted by the community in every way, shape and form, and lives a normal life un-impeded by his sexuality choice.

Instead of finding this an awesome acceptance of the LGTBQ lifestyle by Americans, you find this inappropriate because he is not a hair-on-fair protestor? And he if not an example of what exactly you want for LGTBQ, what exactly are you advocating for?

Example #13,498 on why Trump won the election.

(11-15-2016 11:58 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 08:18 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 10:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 08:30 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Donald Trump considering woman, openly gay man for leadership posts

Would Tom survive such a move....

Will Grenell actually condemn Russia and Uganda's pogroms against LGBT people and turf out the bigots at FRC, WCF, NOM, and CFAM?

At least he isn't trying to pretend that Peter Thiel represents anyone other than his bank account. Grenell is a real LGBT person. He's not particularly representative of the community. But unlike Theil and Michael Lucas, he counts.

If Grenell is there to simply point to when DJT tries to make it legal everywhere to fire LGBT people, then it isn't going to be much use.

Thiel doesn't count as LGBT?

Didn't he pull his business from NC due to hb2?

Thiel doesn't count as far as I'm concerned. I'm not aware of him pulling business. Pay Pal pulled business, but that's not him.

Wow... so he's gay, but he's an Aunt Tammy because he doesn't support YOUR views for your community.

and in a thread where you associate people with the actions of groups that they work for when it suits your argument, NOW you're not willing to associate someone with their company, again because it suits your argument

Seriously Tom, do you think you're turning anyone your direction this way? You're actually turning people AGAINST you.

When has Thiel done anything for the LGBT community that didn't align with his very narrow personal political and financial goals?

Sorry, if you're working against the LGBT mainstream, you have to at least show that you're not just a tool used by outsiders...

Grennell, I must grudgingly admit, qualifies. Thiel? I've just never seen him do anything but serve himself. If you don't agree with the community and only identify with it to serve your own personal interests, then are you really a part of the community?

Is there a list you can provide for future reference of LGBT people that "count and dont count"

(11-15-2016 12:05 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Is there a list you can provide for future reference of LGBT people that "count and dont count"

Tommy's even an authority on who's black enough. Are you surprised he can call out a gay guy for not being "gay enough?

(11-15-2016 12:02 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thiel doesn't count as far as I'm concerned. I'm not aware of him pulling business. Pay Pal pulled business, but that's not him. I'm not aware of Thiel ever risking anything for the community. Or really doing anything for our community. Thiel is out for himself. He's not really a part of any community.

So a gay man goes out, makes a success of his life, is accepted by the community in every way, shape and form, and lives a normal life un-impeded by his sexuality choice.

Instead of finding this an awesome acceptance of the LGTBQ lifestyle by Americans, you find this inappropriate because he is not a hair-on-fair protestor? And he if not an example of what exactly you want for LGTBQ, what exactly are you advocating for?

Example #13,498 on why Trump won the election.

He's no rags to riches story here either.

Thiel also didn't come out willingly. If you think putting Thiel's face on DJT's adminstration will pinkwash anything, you're nuts.

I don't think he wants a confirmation hearing though.

(11-15-2016 12:05 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Is there a list you can provide for future reference of LGBT people that "count and dont count"

Here's a quick checklist

1) Are you out?
2) Did you come out willingly?
3) Do you support the LGBT mainstream?
4) If you don't, do you work against consensus community goals?
5) What have you done to stand up to the anti-Gays?
6) Are you being used by bigots to pinkwash abuse?
7) Have you willingly given up anything for the good of the community?
8) Are you grateful and respectful of the Gay people who got you the very limited freedom you have today?

Grennell hits enough of them to qualify as Gay.

Thiel just appears to be some rich homosexual who uses his efforts to help our abusers put a patina on extreme abuse (that never impacts him - a super white plutocrat). Feel free to show him where he is in communion with the community you want to pretend he represents. He gave some small donation to AFER and millions to anti-gay bigots. As far as I can tell, all I have in common with him is that we both have sex with men. If the whole commonality is based upon sex, then its not Gay (which implies community), but homosexual.

Look appiont Peter Thiel or Roy Cohn if you'd like. Its not going to provide any defense to charges of homophobia. Grennell - a much better choice.

(11-15-2016 12:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you think putting Thiel's face on DJT's adminstration will pinkwash anything, you're nuts.

If you think I'm nuts because a gay man is highly thought of enough to potential get a high profile position within an American Presidential Administration, we have a different definition of the word "nuts."

(11-15-2016 12:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't think he wants a confirmation hearing though.

Watch out for Democrats making a homophobic issues out of his lifestyle choices. How progressive.

Can you do one for African Americans?

(11-15-2016 01:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Can you do one for African Americans?

I'll defer on that one..

The Black community even has an expression...

"my color..not my kind" to describe that concept. I'll let them help you out.

That being said..

I'm certain Sheriff Clarke isn't going to be persuasive to many African Americans upset with the DJT administration.

(11-15-2016 12:21 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 12:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you think putting Thiel's face on DJT's adminstration will pinkwash anything, you're nuts.

If you think I'm nuts because a gay man is highly thought of enough to potential get a high profile position within an American Presidential Administration, we have a different definition of the word "nuts."

(11-15-2016 12:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't think he wants a confirmation hearing though.

Watch out for Democrats making a homophobic issues out of his lifestyle choices. How progressive.

Thiel doesn't have a lifestyle...he has sex with men.

I don't think Thiel's reluctance would be rooted in any homosexual stuff he has done. I think its related to financial dealings.

(11-15-2016 12:02 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thiel doesn't count as far as I'm concerned. I'm not aware of him pulling business. Pay Pal pulled business, but that's not him. I'm not aware of Thiel ever risking anything for the community. Or really doing anything for our community. Thiel is out for himself. He's not really a part of any community.

So a gay man goes out, makes a success of his life, is accepted by the community in every way, shape and form, and lives a normal life un-impeded by his sexuality choice.

Instead of finding this an awesome acceptance of the LGTBQ lifestyle by Americans, you find this inappropriate because he is not a hair-on-fair protestor? And he if not an example of what exactly you want for LGTBQ, what exactly are you advocating for?

Example #13,498 on why Trump won the election.

My eye doctor is gay and really I couldn't care less. I like him for what he is a human being. He doesn't push his agenda and most people are aware the he is gay "he just doesn't flaunt it" as I don't flaunt my heterosexuality.

Wouldn't it be nice if Tommy did the same thing.

(11-15-2016 01:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 12:02 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thiel doesn't count as far as I'm concerned. I'm not aware of him pulling business. Pay Pal pulled business, but that's not him. I'm not aware of Thiel ever risking anything for the community. Or really doing anything for our community. Thiel is out for himself. He's not really a part of any community.

So a gay man goes out, makes a success of his life, is accepted by the community in every way, shape and form, and lives a normal life un-impeded by his sexuality choice.

Instead of finding this an awesome acceptance of the LGTBQ lifestyle by Americans, you find this inappropriate because he is not a hair-on-fair protestor? And he if not an example of what exactly you want for LGTBQ, what exactly are you advocating for?

Example #13,498 on why Trump won the election.

My eye doctor is gay and really I couldn't care less. I like him for what he is a human being. He doesn't push his agenda and most people are aware the he is gay "he just doesn't flaunt it" as I don't flaunt my heterosexuality.

Wouldn't it be nice if Tommy did the same thing.

Just shut up and accept fourth class citizenship and abuse and marginalization from society? No thank you. Politeness and acceptance of straight white male primacy didn't get us marriage equality...it didn't get us the few non-discrimination ordinances we have....it didn't repeal DADT...

(11-15-2016 01:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 12:02 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:52 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Thiel doesn't count as far as I'm concerned. I'm not aware of him pulling business. Pay Pal pulled business, but that's not him. I'm not aware of Thiel ever risking anything for the community. Or really doing anything for our community. Thiel is out for himself. He's not really a part of any community.

So a gay man goes out, makes a success of his life, is accepted by the community in every way, shape and form, and lives a normal life un-impeded by his sexuality choice.

Instead of finding this an awesome acceptance of the LGTBQ lifestyle by Americans, you find this inappropriate because he is not a hair-on-fair protestor? And he if not an example of what exactly you want for LGTBQ, what exactly are you advocating for?

Example #13,498 on why Trump won the election.

My eye doctor is gay and really I couldn't care less. I like him for what he is a human being. He doesn't push his agenda and most people are aware the he is gay "he just doesn't flaunt it" as I don't flaunt my heterosexuality.

Wouldn't it be nice if Tommy did the same thing.

Our family doc is gay and I could care less. He's a great doctor and has been my doc since before I was even married.

(11-15-2016 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

Quote:Got it. You were asked for a link to prove your assertion, so you provided one that specifically DISAGREES with your assertion, calling it proof... and then when people actually read it and see that it specifically refutes what you claimed, now YOUR OWN PROOF is a lie.

Thanks.

Seriously..

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Either way, expect a long LOUD 4 years.

Well yes... If you're going to present proof of something that isn't proof and then argue with your own supposed proof, then it WILL be a long, LOUD 4 years.

You made a claim. You were asked for proof. You provided proof of the opposite, I suppose hoping someone wouldn't bother to read it. You now argue with the proof you presented, by repeating the claim.

It's also known as tautology.

(11-15-2016 12:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:58 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Thiel doesn't count as LGBT?

Thiel doesn't count as far as I'm concerned.

Aunt Tammy... We've got it.

Quote:When has Thiel done anything for the LGBT community that didn't align with his very narrow personal political and financial goals?

Sorry, if you're working against the LGBT mainstream, you have to at least show that you're not just a tool used by outsiders...

Grennell, I must grudgingly admit, qualifies. Thiel? I've just never seen him do anything but serve himself. If you don't agree with the community and only identify with it to serve your own personal interests, then are you really a part of the community?

He's an Aunt Tammy in your mind... I got it.

Why does an LGBT person have to be an activist in order to not want LGBT to be killed or arrested or discriminated against?

Before you know it Tommy's version of a real gay person is that they have to look like a clown like those in parades. Oh, and they have to lisp and have over exaggerated body language that makes a heterosexual woman jealous of their gayness.

(11-15-2016 01:39 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

Quote:Got it. You were asked for a link to prove your assertion, so you provided one that specifically DISAGREES with your assertion, calling it proof... and then when people actually read it and see that it specifically refutes what you claimed, now YOUR OWN PROOF is a lie.

Thanks.

Seriously..

...

---

Either way, expect a long LOUD 4 years.

Well yes... If you're going to present proof of something that isn't proof and then argue with your own supposed proof, then it WILL be a long, LOUD 4 years.

You made a claim. You were asked for proof. You provided proof of the opposite, I suppose hoping someone wouldn't bother to read it. You now argue with the proof you presented, by repeating the claim.

It's also known as tautology.

(11-15-2016 12:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:58 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Thiel doesn't count as LGBT?

Thiel doesn't count as far as I'm concerned.

Aunt Tammy... We've got it.

Quote:When has Thiel done anything for the LGBT community that didn't align with his very narrow personal political and financial goals?

Sorry, if you're working against the LGBT mainstream, you have to at least show that you're not just a tool used by outsiders...

Grennell, I must grudgingly admit, qualifies. Thiel? I've just never seen him do anything but serve himself. If you don't agree with the community and only identify with it to serve your own personal interests, then are you really a part of the community?

He's an Aunt Tammy in your mind... I got it.

Why does an LGBT person have to be an activist in order to not want LGBT to be killed or arrested or discriminated against?

Actually, Thiel pays a lot of money to people who do advocate discrimination. People like Jim DeMint. People like Ann Coulter. This isn't in dispute.

Again, what had Thiel ever done to show himself in communion with the community?

If you went to a Bar Mitzvah once...doesn't make you Jewish...Just because you have sex with men...doesn't make you Gay.

Again, its not that hard. Other than some desultory donation to AFER, can y'all find ANY instance of Thiel standing up to the anti-gays on anything.

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Regarding the FRC....I knew it was in there. If you pay money to do something... you meant to do it. Especially if you didn't propose anything to replace it. FRC defends genocide attempts. Full stop. They might try to spin it...but that's where the money goes. To defend genocide attempts.

Futhermore, in their risible defense of their paying money to defend state sponsored genocide of LGBT people....the FRC used an argument that showed their SUPPORT for criminalization of being Gay. They said, they oppose anyone having the right to be Gay. Well only way to prevent that is to make it illegal, and Sprigg and Perkins both have consistently and repeatedly supported criminalization. They say it isn't a priority. But they don't OPPOSE criminalization laws. Because they spend thousands furthering laws that precisely do that.

I've been exceedingly gay since about 3AM last Wednesday.

(11-15-2016 01:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Actually, Thiel pays a lot of money to people who do advocate discrimination. People like Jim DeMint. People like Ann Coulter. This isn't in dispute.

Again, what had Thiel ever done to show himself in communion with the community?

If you went to a Bar Mitzvah once...doesn't make you Jewish...Just because you have sex with men...doesn't make you Gay.

Again, its not that hard. Other than some desultory donation to AFER, can y'all find ANY instance of Thiel standing up to the anti-gays on anything.

Right, and just because you have black skin doesn't make you black.

Got it.

He's not an activist so you question his 'gayness'.

He thinks there are more important things than his sexual orientation so you question his 'gayness'.

You've made it quite clear that you're the 'deciderer in chief' of what makes someone gay.

And here I thought all along it wasn't a choice. Apparently you think it is.

You're right. It's not that hard at all.

(11-15-2016 01:48 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I've been exceedingly gay since about 3AM last Wednesday.

Time for a parade! LOL

Good one!

(11-15-2016 01:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just because you have sex with men...doesn't make you Gay.

In Lazytom's world if you aren't wearing bedazzled jackboots and rainbow Siegrunes you aren't gay.