(11-15-2016 10:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  Are all of you nukies aware we are still pouring carp into the ocean at Fukushima? 5 years. No end in sight.

Coal. Coal. Coal.

Yes. As you climb up the power ladder, the consequences of system failures grow more dire.

(11-15-2016 11:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Google used to invest but had sobering findings in 2011. Article here.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...ble-energy

Interesting article. Thanks for posting it. What is interesting is that it simply confirms what I've (and I'm sure most people) have suspected for a long time now. The clean energy initiatives are not a serious attempt to address the issue of global warming. It's a means to help political donors make money off of all of us. It's a wealth transfer. Aside from nuclear power, there isn't anything else out there.

Quote:We decided to combine our energy innovation study’s best-case scenario results with Hansen’s climate model to see whether a 55 percent emission cut by 2050 would bring the world back below that 350-ppm threshold. Our calculations revealed otherwise. Even if every renewable energy technology advanced as quickly as imagined and they were all applied globally, atmospheric CO2 levels wouldn’t just remain above 350 ppm; they would continue to rise exponentially due to continued fossil fuel use. So our best-case scenario, which was based on our most optimistic forecasts for renewable energy, would still result in severe climate change, with all its dire consequences: shifting climatic zones, freshwater shortages, eroding coasts, and ocean acidification, among others. Our reckoning showed that reversing the trend would require...radical technological advances in cheap zero-carbon energy, as well as a method of extracting CO2 from the atmosphere and sequestering the carbon.

(11-16-2016 09:22 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Google used to invest but had sobering findings in 2011. Article here.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/...ble-energy

Interesting article. Thanks for posting it. What is interesting is that it simply confirms what I've (and I'm sure most people) have suspected for a long time now. The clean energy initiatives are not a serious attempt to address the issue of global warming. It's a means to help political donors make money off of all of us. It's a wealth transfer. Aside from nuclear power, there isn't anything else out there.

Quote:We decided to combine our energy innovation study’s best-case scenario results with Hansen’s climate model to see whether a 55 percent emission cut by 2050 would bring the world back below that 350-ppm threshold. Our calculations revealed otherwise. Even if every renewable energy technology advanced as quickly as imagined and they were all applied globally, atmospheric CO2 levels wouldn’t just remain above 350 ppm; they would continue to rise exponentially due to continued fossil fuel use. So our best-case scenario, which was based on our most optimistic forecasts for renewable energy, would still result in severe climate change, with all its dire consequences: shifting climatic zones, freshwater shortages, eroding coasts, and ocean acidification, among others. Our reckoning showed that reversing the trend would require...radical technological advances in cheap zero-carbon energy, as well as a method of extracting CO2 from the atmosphere and sequestering the carbon.

Turn out the lights, the party's over...

What this means is what I've been saying for a long time. This is no problem for baby solutions that may make you feel good but in the end have no material impact. Some magic solution is not going to come out of a lab. Refresh yourself on the laws of thermodynamics if you believe otherwise. We need big solutions and we need them worldwide. And with the clock ticking, we need them now.

And nothing that the AGW activists have proposed is big or worldwide or now.

I disagree with the AGW activists, not because I deny climate change, but because their proposed solutions suck.

(11-15-2016 11:10 PM)Dragonlair2.0 Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:46 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We've had some major breakthroughs with fusion. I posted on this last year. I think Saudi Arabia knows the gig is up in 10 years. They've opened the spigots because they know the gravy train will soon be over.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ethansiegel/...7cf29e1982

This is the youtube you need to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LCfx9v4YQ
Fusion is comparable to Moore's Law.

Lockheed Martin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LCfx9v4YQ

We will be "harvesting" oil forever. Oil based products are used in everyday life. Just because we wouldn't use them for energy production does not mean we won't use them in a significant way.

As I recall a small portion of crude oil actually goes to gas. I'll have to find the chart.

News item today that there are at least 800 billion dollars worth of black gold found in the Midland Texas area. Who needs Saudi oil? Not us and certainly with a Republican president at least he won't be shutting it down.