(11-23-2016 02:21 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  EDIT TO ADD: And as it turns out, U of Indianapolis *does* use Indy in its branding, athletic and otherwise: http://athletics.uindy.edu/. So I guess the speedway wouldn't be a barrier, but now we're back to the brand confusion issue.

But they're not really using "Indy" as a brand. They have a UI brand, and they use "Greyhounds" or "Hounds" on their uniforms. The "UIndy" think is almost more of a letterhead or otherwise afterthought. And their web addresses are ___.uindy.edu


I'm thinking for example that IUPUI' uniforms say "INDY" on them. Or for that matter, since UIndy doesn't seem to be using it either, "INDIANAPOLIS".


UIndy is only a small DII school. I don't think they should be able to block anything.

(11-23-2016 12:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's it ... keep sitting on your laurels, embedding that complacency into your programs. You have your decent arenas, you have your history. So keep telling yourself that the Summit can't sneak up on you.

Good ... goooood ..... let the complacency flow through you ......

I don't know what MLPSBison's deal is lately. He's excessively positive to toward the little guy, realism be damned.

Great win for Fort Wayne but let's not go overboard.

(11-23-2016 01:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Fort Wayne Mastadons sounds as though it'd be a minor-league hockey team.

That said, obviously an impressive win that took advantage of a rare power team visiting the floor of a low- to low-mid-major conference team. And name jokes notwithstanding, it's a smart move to switch the athletic branding to "Fort Wayne". IPFW sounds undignified and vaguely urinary. IUPUI wouldn't have that opportunity with U of Indianapolis in town.

IUPUI at least sounds unique and original and since they got to D-I first, it is.

(11-23-2016 12:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The win over IU helps IPFW basketball in the long term only if they can win consistently over the next several years. Then it's a turning point for them. Otherwise, this big win just becomes a nice distant memory, as in the following example...

Cal State-Northridge once won at UCLA -- 16 years ago this week.

CSUN went on that year to have a really good season, they won 22 games and both their conference regular season and tournament. But they couldn't sustain it. Northridge won only 12 games the next season, and only 14 in each of the two seasons after that. Bye bye, momentum. Last year, Northridge was 5-11 in the Big West and 10-20 overall.

It wouldn't necessarily be program changing even if it had happened in the NCAA Tournament. I can think of numerous teams that never followed up their upset(s) in the Dance with anything substantial.

(11-23-2016 05:19 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(11-23-2016 12:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The win over IU helps IPFW basketball in the long term only if they can win consistently over the next several years. Then it's a turning point for them. Otherwise, this big win just becomes a nice distant memory, as in the following example...

Cal State-Northridge once won at UCLA -- 16 years ago this week.

CSUN went on that year to have a really good season, they won 22 games and both their conference regular season and tournament. But they couldn't sustain it. Northridge won only 12 games the next season, and only 14 in each of the two seasons after that. Bye bye, momentum. Last year, Northridge was 5-11 in the Big West and 10-20 overall.

It wouldn't necessarily be program changing even if it had happened in the NCAA Tournament. I can think of numerous teams that never followed up their upset(s) in the Dance with anything substantial.

*cough*FGCU*cough*

Too little time has passed, they're still fresh in my mind. Tell me, without Google, if you remember Ball State and UT-Chattanooga's runs to the Sweet 16? Didn't think so.

That as a home game for Ft. Wayne also.

Great win but not sure it's program changing...

Maybe I didn't give them enough credit calling it program changing.
I was under the impression they play home games in a 2300 seat arena.
Having beaten third ranked Indiana kinda legitimizes the program to locals was my thinking.
I wasn't thinking their the next Gonzaga or anything.

I mean it helps but it would have meant much more if it had happened the NCAA Tournament.

Many times these wins are not program changing but coaching changing, as in the coach rides a good win and season to a better job while the school returns to 'baseline'.

Who cares if it, in fact, is not program changing --- it was a huge win that no one can hand-waive away.

Huge win for the Summit League, too.


Two Summit teams in the tourney. One Horizon. MAYBE two MVC.

(11-23-2016 04:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Both schools want to advance? Get rid of that gobbly gook of letters for each school.

Of the two...Fort Wayne could actually find a niche as the only Competition is an AHL hockey team

Central Indiana University


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(11-24-2016 01:27 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  Many times these wins are not program changing but coaching changing, as in the coach rides a good win and season to a better job while the school returns to 'baseline'.

Great Point

(11-24-2016 09:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Who cares if it, in fact, is not program changing --- it was a huge win that no one can hand-waive away.

Huge win for the Summit League, too.


Two Summit teams in the tourney. One Horizon. MAYBE two MVC.

No chance in hell the Summit gets 2 teams in. The conference just isn't that good.

(11-24-2016 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The conference just isn't that good.

Yeah, you're probably right.

http://fox59.com/2016/11/23/3-indiana-fa...-overtime/

Quote:The No. 3 Indiana Hoosiers were knocked off in overtime by intrastate rival IPFW Tuesday night, 71-68.

(11-24-2016 11:43 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-24-2016 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The conference just isn't that good.

Yeah, you're probably right.

http://fox59.com/2016/11/23/3-indiana-fa...-overtime/

Quote:The No. 3 Indiana Hoosiers were knocked off in overtime by intrastate rival IPFW Tuesday night, 71-68.

Yeah, I am right.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2017/conferencerpi

IPFW is #133 even with the upset.

Happy Thanksgiving, stever

(11-24-2016 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-24-2016 09:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Who cares if it, in fact, is not program changing --- it was a huge win that no one can hand-waive away.

Huge win for the Summit League, too.


Two Summit teams in the tourney. One Horizon. MAYBE two MVC.

No chance in hell the Summit gets 2 teams in. The conference just isn't that good.

The Summit is riding that 12-24 record to a multibid year.

(11-23-2016 10:26 AM)MJG Wrote:  Great win for the underdog they couldn't have beat a better opponent to propel their program forward.

Give Indiana credit for playing at Fort Wayne.
A lot of classy Indiana fans have been quick to give Fort Wayne full credit.

Indiana indeed gets a huge amount of credit for playing Fort Wayne at War Memorial. A program changing win it is not, however.

Per the example Butler, VCU, Gonzaga and Creighton gave us, program changing is recruiting quality players which enables your school to have multiple wins against P5 schools; go to the Dance; win game(s) in the Dance; Repeat. Sustainability is key. What the win over Indiana did was give Fort Wayne much needed publicity to possible recruits. The school now must parlay this win, along with their recent Summit success, into said recruits. Another step in the direction of "program changing" was the rebranding. One game does not do it.

(11-25-2016 02:06 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Per the example Butler, VCU, Gonzaga and Creighton gave us, program changing is recruiting quality players which enables your school to have multiple wins against P5 schools; go to the Dance; win game(s) in the Dance; Repeat. Sustainability is key. What the win over Indiana did was give Fort Wayne much needed publicity to possible recruits. The school now must parlay this win, along with their recent Summit success, into said recruits.

So at the very best, if everything breaks the right way (which it rarely does, or everybody would have over .500 seasons) ... "Fort Wayne gains what is potentially a watershed victory."