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(12-07-2016 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have not seen one person claim there is some sort of conflict.

Sounds like you are the one reaching.

(12-07-2016 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Ivanka Trump Was Finalizing a Business Deal in Japan at the Same Time She Sat In on a Meeting With Japan’s Prime Minister


Much has been made in recent days of the numerous potential conflicts of interest that Donald Trump might bring with him to the White House once he assumes the presidency. To assuage fears, the president-elect said last week he will separate himself from his business dealings in due time and promised a press conference with his children on December 15 to discuss the matter at length. Yet a new report by the New York Times reveals exactly why untangling himself from any conflict of interest seems elusive, given the dual role Trump’s children play in his companies and on his transition team. And to highlight the murky, political waters that are already evident, the Times zeroes-in on Trump’s meeting with Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe, which was also attended by Ivanka Trump.

At the same time that the three were meeting in Trump Tower, meetings were also under way in Japan to finalize business and licensing deals for Ivanka Trump’s clothing and accessories line.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/ivanka-t...eting.html


Trump should avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. More unforced errors.


If you're drawing the minute distinction between an ACTUAL conflict of interest and an article that mentions 'conflict' of interest numerous times and the OP by YOU claiming the 'appearance' of a conflict.... then you really need some new material.

Hint. There IS no conflict of interest and the only reason we're TALKING about a potential conflict of interest is because the writer of the article, with assistance from you... wants to CREATE the appearance of a conflict.

The original article, best I can tell is an intentional lie. A bank would almost NEVER own 'stock' in a company... especially not an exim bank.... and rather than check for official filings, the writer claims that he was told this... by at least one person not really in a position to know when the actual answer is easily available through corporate filings. I suspect he was told that the government owned bank was their largest FINANCIER... because that is specifically what such a bank is designed to do... but that isn't remotely the same thing as their largest 'SHAREHOLDER'... and creates NO conflict of interest... and only creates the APPEARANCE of one to stupid people... and those who read their articles and don't do their own due diligence.
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(12-07-2016 04:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have not seen one person claim there is some sort of conflict.

Sounds like you are the one reaching.

(12-07-2016 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Ivanka Trump Was Finalizing a Business Deal in Japan at the Same Time She Sat In on a Meeting With Japan’s Prime Minister


Much has been made in recent days of the numerous potential conflicts of interest that Donald Trump might bring with him to the White House once he assumes the presidency. To assuage fears, the president-elect said last week he will separate himself from his business dealings in due time and promised a press conference with his children on December 15 to discuss the matter at length. Yet a new report by the New York Times reveals exactly why untangling himself from any conflict of interest seems elusive, given the dual role Trump’s children play in his companies and on his transition team. And to highlight the murky, political waters that are already evident, the Times zeroes-in on Trump’s meeting with Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe, which was also attended by Ivanka Trump.

At the same time that the three were meeting in Trump Tower, meetings were also under way in Japan to finalize business and licensing deals for Ivanka Trump’s clothing and accessories line.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/ivanka-t...eting.html


Trump should avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. More unforced errors.


If you're drawing the minute distinction between an ACTUAL conflict of interest and an article that mentions 'conflict' of interest numerous times and the OP by YOU claiming the 'appearance' of a conflict.... then you really need some new material.

Hint. There IS no conflict of interest and the only reason we're TALKING about a potential conflict of interest is because the writer of the article, with assistance from you... wants to CREATE the appearance of a conflict.

The original article, best I can tell is an intentional lie. A bank would almost NEVER own 'stock' in a company... especially not an exim bank.... and rather than check for official filings, the writer claims that he was told this... by at least one person not really in a position to know when the actual answer is easily available through corporate filings. I suspect he was told that the government owned bank was their largest FINANCIER... because that is specifically what such a bank is designed to do... but that isn't remotely the same thing as their largest 'SHAREHOLDER'... and creates NO conflict of interest... and only creates the APPEARANCE of one to stupid people... and those who read their articles and don't do their own due diligence.

I see fit contradicted himself once again... I love it! 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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Fit, I agree with you. Trump SHOULD avoid the APPEARANCE of a conflict of interest. Because we know that the Libturd press will try to make a mountain of crap from an unforced fart.
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(12-07-2016 05:32 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Fit, I agree with you. Trump SHOULD avoid the APPEARANCE of a conflict of interest. Because we know that the Libturd press will try to make a mountain of crap from an unforced fart.

How can someone be President of the US and avoid 'an unforced fart'? What I mean is look at all the STUPID stuff they're making a mountain of crap out of... so he's supposed to avoid doing ANYTHING?

Can't take a phone call from another country... can't host an event at his hotel. Can't maintain his child's school for the rest of the year... can't accuse a company of bilking the taxpayer... etc etc etc
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Ivanka is going to be a terrific Secretary of State.

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(12-07-2016 12:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If Hillary wasn't so ugly she could a fashion line deal.

But edible carpet-lined panties never became popular to a wider audience. Strange.
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(12-07-2016 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 01:45 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 01:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 01:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 01:20 PM)VA49er Wrote:  What does one have to do with the other, unless folks are just assuming stuff?

This from the article


"One particular area of concern in the Times’ report is the largest shareholder of Sanei is the government-owned Development Bank of Japan."

That didn't answer the question.

Yeah, I'm still wondering what that has to do with anything. These folks are reaching for a conflict and willing to assume/infer things it seems.

I have not seen one person claim there is some sort of conflict.

Sounds like you are the one reaching.

lol, you must be joking. The whole reason for this even being reported is to cite what could be a potential conflict of interest. Every day on the news stations there's talk of Trump's conflicts and he should do this or that.
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I'll say this... At the very least it hands folks like Fit a hammer so Trump should *really* avoid having members of the trump foundation leadership sit down with Trump and foreign leaders.
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(12-07-2016 04:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have not seen one person claim there is some sort of conflict.

Sounds like you are the one reaching.

(12-07-2016 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Ivanka Trump Was Finalizing a Business Deal in Japan at the Same Time She Sat In on a Meeting With Japan’s Prime Minister


Much has been made in recent days of the numerous potential conflicts of interest that Donald Trump might bring with him to the White House once he assumes the presidency. To assuage fears, the president-elect said last week he will separate himself from his business dealings in due time and promised a press conference with his children on December 15 to discuss the matter at length. Yet a new report by the New York Times reveals exactly why untangling himself from any conflict of interest seems elusive, given the dual role Trump’s children play in his companies and on his transition team. And to highlight the murky, political waters that are already evident, the Times zeroes-in on Trump’s meeting with Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe, which was also attended by Ivanka Trump.

At the same time that the three were meeting in Trump Tower, meetings were also under way in Japan to finalize business and licensing deals for Ivanka Trump’s clothing and accessories line.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/ivanka-t...eting.html


Trump should avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. More unforced errors.


If you're drawing the minute distinction between an ACTUAL conflict of interest and an article that mentions 'conflict' of interest numerous times and the OP by YOU claiming the 'appearance' of a conflict.... then you really need some new material.

Hint. There IS no conflict of interest and the only reason we're TALKING about a potential conflict of interest is because the writer of the article, with assistance from you... wants to CREATE the appearance of a conflict.

The original article, best I can tell is an intentional lie. A bank would almost NEVER own 'stock' in a company... especially not an exim bank.... and rather than check for official filings, the writer claims that he was told this... by at least one person not really in a position to know when the actual answer is easily available through corporate filings. I suspect he was told that the government owned bank was their largest FINANCIER... because that is specifically what such a bank is designed to do... but that isn't remotely the same thing as their largest 'SHAREHOLDER'... and creates NO conflict of interest... and only creates the APPEARANCE of one to stupid people... and those who read their articles and don't do their own due diligence.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

What a surprise - a left leaning media outlet "creating" a conflict of interest by twisting what role the players have...........banking on the majority of their left leaning readership swallowing the distortion on it's face.

Same thing, different day/story. Smear those on the other side to advance their agenda.

Where have we seen this before??
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(12-07-2016 04:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have not seen one person claim there is some sort of conflict.

Sounds like you are the one reaching.

(12-07-2016 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Ivanka Trump Was Finalizing a Business Deal in Japan at the Same Time She Sat In on a Meeting With Japan’s Prime Minister


Much has been made in recent days of the numerous potential conflicts of interest that Donald Trump might bring with him to the White House once he assumes the presidency. To assuage fears, the president-elect said last week he will separate himself from his business dealings in due time and promised a press conference with his children on December 15 to discuss the matter at length. Yet a new report by the New York Times reveals exactly why untangling himself from any conflict of interest seems elusive, given the dual role Trump’s children play in his companies and on his transition team. And to highlight the murky, political waters that are already evident, the Times zeroes-in on Trump’s meeting with Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe, which was also attended by Ivanka Trump.

At the same time that the three were meeting in Trump Tower, meetings were also under way in Japan to finalize business and licensing deals for Ivanka Trump’s clothing and accessories line.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/ivanka-t...eting.html


Trump should avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. More unforced errors.


If you're drawing the minute distinction between an ACTUAL conflict of interest and an article that mentions 'conflict' of interest numerous times and the OP by YOU claiming the 'appearance' of a conflict.... then you really need some new material.

Hint. There IS no conflict of interest and the only reason we're TALKING about a potential conflict of interest is because the writer of the article, with assistance from you... wants to CREATE the appearance of a conflict.

The original article, best I can tell is an intentional lie. A bank would almost NEVER own 'stock' in a company... especially not an exim bank.... and rather than check for official filings, the writer claims that he was told this... by at least one person not really in a position to know when the actual answer is easily available through corporate filings. I suspect he was told that the government owned bank was their largest FINANCIER... because that is specifically what such a bank is designed to do... but that isn't remotely the same thing as their largest 'SHAREHOLDER'... and creates NO conflict of interest... and only creates the APPEARANCE of one to stupid people... and those who read their articles and don't do their own due diligence.

I seem to recall that one Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch were seen speaking on the tarmac and that was enough to confirm for many on this forum that the fix was in on Hillary's investigation.

However, now Ivanka Trump closes a deal with Japan at the same time that she sits in a meeting with the Prime Minister and it's "nothing to see here"?

Come on man. Be consistent.
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(12-08-2016 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 04:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have not seen one person claim there is some sort of conflict.

Sounds like you are the one reaching.

(12-07-2016 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Ivanka Trump Was Finalizing a Business Deal in Japan at the Same Time She Sat In on a Meeting With Japan’s Prime Minister


Much has been made in recent days of the numerous potential conflicts of interest that Donald Trump might bring with him to the White House once he assumes the presidency. To assuage fears, the president-elect said last week he will separate himself from his business dealings in due time and promised a press conference with his children on December 15 to discuss the matter at length. Yet a new report by the New York Times reveals exactly why untangling himself from any conflict of interest seems elusive, given the dual role Trump’s children play in his companies and on his transition team. And to highlight the murky, political waters that are already evident, the Times zeroes-in on Trump’s meeting with Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe, which was also attended by Ivanka Trump.

At the same time that the three were meeting in Trump Tower, meetings were also under way in Japan to finalize business and licensing deals for Ivanka Trump’s clothing and accessories line.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/ivanka-t...eting.html


Trump should avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. More unforced errors.


If you're drawing the minute distinction between an ACTUAL conflict of interest and an article that mentions 'conflict' of interest numerous times and the OP by YOU claiming the 'appearance' of a conflict.... then you really need some new material.

Hint. There IS no conflict of interest and the only reason we're TALKING about a potential conflict of interest is because the writer of the article, with assistance from you... wants to CREATE the appearance of a conflict.

The original article, best I can tell is an intentional lie. A bank would almost NEVER own 'stock' in a company... especially not an exim bank.... and rather than check for official filings, the writer claims that he was told this... by at least one person not really in a position to know when the actual answer is easily available through corporate filings. I suspect he was told that the government owned bank was their largest FINANCIER... because that is specifically what such a bank is designed to do... but that isn't remotely the same thing as their largest 'SHAREHOLDER'... and creates NO conflict of interest... and only creates the APPEARANCE of one to stupid people... and those who read their articles and don't do their own due diligence.

I seem to recall that one Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch were seen speaking on the tarmac and that was enough to confirm for many on this forum that the fix was in on Hillary's investigation.

However, now Ivanka Trump closes a deal with Japan at the same time that she sits in a meeting with the Prime Minister and it's "nothing to see here"?

Come on man. Be consistent.

You are contradicting yourself. Pick a point and stick to it.
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(12-08-2016 01:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 04:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have not seen one person claim there is some sort of conflict.

Sounds like you are the one reaching.

(12-07-2016 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Ivanka Trump Was Finalizing a Business Deal in Japan at the Same Time She Sat In on a Meeting With Japan’s Prime Minister


Much has been made in recent days of the numerous potential conflicts of interest that Donald Trump might bring with him to the White House once he assumes the presidency. To assuage fears, the president-elect said last week he will separate himself from his business dealings in due time and promised a press conference with his children on December 15 to discuss the matter at length. Yet a new report by the New York Times reveals exactly why untangling himself from any conflict of interest seems elusive, given the dual role Trump’s children play in his companies and on his transition team. And to highlight the murky, political waters that are already evident, the Times zeroes-in on Trump’s meeting with Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe, which was also attended by Ivanka Trump.

At the same time that the three were meeting in Trump Tower, meetings were also under way in Japan to finalize business and licensing deals for Ivanka Trump’s clothing and accessories line.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/ivanka-t...eting.html


Trump should avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. More unforced errors.


If you're drawing the minute distinction between an ACTUAL conflict of interest and an article that mentions 'conflict' of interest numerous times and the OP by YOU claiming the 'appearance' of a conflict.... then you really need some new material.

Hint. There IS no conflict of interest and the only reason we're TALKING about a potential conflict of interest is because the writer of the article, with assistance from you... wants to CREATE the appearance of a conflict.

The original article, best I can tell is an intentional lie. A bank would almost NEVER own 'stock' in a company... especially not an exim bank.... and rather than check for official filings, the writer claims that he was told this... by at least one person not really in a position to know when the actual answer is easily available through corporate filings. I suspect he was told that the government owned bank was their largest FINANCIER... because that is specifically what such a bank is designed to do... but that isn't remotely the same thing as their largest 'SHAREHOLDER'... and creates NO conflict of interest... and only creates the APPEARANCE of one to stupid people... and those who read their articles and don't do their own due diligence.

I seem to recall that one Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch were seen speaking on the tarmac and that was enough to confirm for many on this forum that the fix was in on Hillary's investigation.

However, now Ivanka Trump closes a deal with Japan at the same time that she sits in a meeting with the Prime Minister and it's "nothing to see here"?

Come on man. Be consistent.

You are contradicting yourself. Pick a point and stick to it.

I'm not contradicting myself because I have not taken a position on this issue. I am simply seeing if people will remain consistent in their issues.

If one meeting give the impression of a conflict of interest then so should the other.

If one doesn't give the impression of a conflict of interest then the other shouldn't either.

Unless of course you can explain why the two should be handled differently.
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(12-08-2016 01:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 01:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 04:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have not seen one person claim there is some sort of conflict.

Sounds like you are the one reaching.

(12-07-2016 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Ivanka Trump Was Finalizing a Business Deal in Japan at the Same Time She Sat In on a Meeting With Japan’s Prime Minister


Much has been made in recent days of the numerous potential conflicts of interest that Donald Trump might bring with him to the White House once he assumes the presidency. To assuage fears, the president-elect said last week he will separate himself from his business dealings in due time and promised a press conference with his children on December 15 to discuss the matter at length. Yet a new report by the New York Times reveals exactly why untangling himself from any conflict of interest seems elusive, given the dual role Trump’s children play in his companies and on his transition team. And to highlight the murky, political waters that are already evident, the Times zeroes-in on Trump’s meeting with Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe, which was also attended by Ivanka Trump.

At the same time that the three were meeting in Trump Tower, meetings were also under way in Japan to finalize business and licensing deals for Ivanka Trump’s clothing and accessories line.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/ivanka-t...eting.html


Trump should avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. More unforced errors.


If you're drawing the minute distinction between an ACTUAL conflict of interest and an article that mentions 'conflict' of interest numerous times and the OP by YOU claiming the 'appearance' of a conflict.... then you really need some new material.

Hint. There IS no conflict of interest and the only reason we're TALKING about a potential conflict of interest is because the writer of the article, with assistance from you... wants to CREATE the appearance of a conflict.

The original article, best I can tell is an intentional lie. A bank would almost NEVER own 'stock' in a company... especially not an exim bank.... and rather than check for official filings, the writer claims that he was told this... by at least one person not really in a position to know when the actual answer is easily available through corporate filings. I suspect he was told that the government owned bank was their largest FINANCIER... because that is specifically what such a bank is designed to do... but that isn't remotely the same thing as their largest 'SHAREHOLDER'... and creates NO conflict of interest... and only creates the APPEARANCE of one to stupid people... and those who read their articles and don't do their own due diligence.

I seem to recall that one Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch were seen speaking on the tarmac and that was enough to confirm for many on this forum that the fix was in on Hillary's investigation.

However, now Ivanka Trump closes a deal with Japan at the same time that she sits in a meeting with the Prime Minister and it's "nothing to see here"?

Come on man. Be consistent.

You are contradicting yourself. Pick a point and stick to it.

I'm not contradicting myself because I have not taken a position on this issue. I am simply seeing if people will remain consistent in their issues.

If one meeting give the impression of a conflict of interest then so should the other.

If one doesn't give the impression of a conflict of interest then the other shouldn't either.

Unless of course you can explain why the two should be handled differently.

Read just this entire post. It's obvious you contradicted yourself.
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(12-08-2016 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I seem to recall that one Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch were seen speaking on the tarmac and that was enough to confirm for many on this forum that the fix was in on Hillary's investigation.

However, now Ivanka Trump closes a deal with Japan at the same time that she sits in a meeting with the Prime Minister and it's "nothing to see here"?

Come on man. Be consistent.

I am. The connection between Loretta Lynch and the FBI was established, as was the connection between Bill and Hillary Clinton. So too was the connection between the FBI and the investigation into Hillary and her server.

That's a clear conflict of interest. It doesn't help that the excuse given for the meeting (to talk about the kids and yoga) was the same excuse for why emails were deleted from the server... but THAT is a mere inference.

No connection has been established between the PM of Japan and the private company. One has been alleged, but only on the basis of 'I was told'. No evidence nor reasonable link has been provided... and plenty of logical inferences (such as a bank RARELY IF EVER holds 'equity' in an unrelated company) have been presented.

Let me help you on that part. Banks are based on leverage of equity. If a bank holds stock in a company, the capital used to pay for that stock is generally reserved at 1:1, meaning that a stock investment ties up as much equity as the value of the investment. $1mm invested means $1mm that can't be leveraged elsewhere. Depending on what type of loan the bank makes, that $1mm in equity can be used to make as much as $500 in loans... or perhaps even more. The ROI on $500mm in loans is generally going to be a multiple of the ROI of $1mm in a 75 year old clothing manufacturer.

Unless you're saying that because the director of the FBI worked 'at the pleasure of' the President, that for Bill OR Hillary, even in her capacity of SOS (like Ivanka has with Trump's transition) to meet with Obama was a conflict of interest?

Be consistent, man.
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