(01-05-2017 09:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 09:45 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  wait, are the leftists really complaining about this move?

yes, they are extremely butthurt, because when Ford initially said they were saving some of those jobs, they pointed out that Ford was still moving some operations to Mexico. Now that that has been completely scuttled, they are ass-chapped because they know its all due to Trump. After all, they and Obama said those jobs werent coming back. And before Trump even takes office, he not only has saved the Carrier jobs and some of the Ford jobs, his future policies are causing Ford to stay put altogether.

what more proof do we need that the left hates America?

(01-05-2017 10:51 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 09:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 09:45 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  wait, are the leftists really complaining about this move?

yes, they are extremely butthurt, because when Ford initially said they were saving some of those jobs, they pointed out that Ford was still moving some operations to Mexico. Now that that has been completely scuttled, they are ass-chapped because they know its all due to Trump. After all, they and Obama said those jobs werent coming back. And before Trump even takes office, he not only has saved the Carrier jobs and some of the Ford jobs, his future policies are causing Ford to stay put altogether.

what more proof do we need that the left hates America?

its sad that the libturds swallowed what was being spoon-fed to them for 8 years; those manufacturing jobs are gone and they aint coming back. Funny, how that has all turned around real quick.

(01-05-2017 04:35 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 11:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Explain how Ford getting no breaks and this plant being built in Mexico with Mexicans getting the paychecks would be better than giving them some sort of break. How it is bad that these American workers will be spending their paychecks in American stores, restaurants, etc. thus paying the salaries of even more American workers. How would it be better for every American listed above to be replaced by Mexican?

I REALLY can't wait to see this spin.

You can't imagine a scenario where an American company needs to move a factory out of the country to perform better? And you can't figure how an American company performing better is good for the American economy? I think you're being willfully ignorant here.

There is absolutely no scenario where it is better for the American economy for wages to be going to foreign workers instead of Americans. I don't give a damn about your portfolio, I care about the man on the street having money in his pocket instead of an EBT card.

(01-05-2017 12:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 04:35 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 11:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Explain how Ford getting no breaks and this plant being built in Mexico with Mexicans getting the paychecks would be better than giving them some sort of break. How it is bad that these American workers will be spending their paychecks in American stores, restaurants, etc. thus paying the salaries of even more American workers. How would it be better for every American listed above to be replaced by Mexican? To
I REALLY can't wait to see this spin.

You pcan't imagine a scenario where an American company needs to move a factory out of the country to perform better? And you can't figure how an American company performing better is good for the American economy? I think you're being willfully ignorant here.

There is absolutely no scenario where it is better for the American economy for wages to be going to foreign workers instead of Americans. I don't give a damn about your portfolio, I care about the man on the street having money in his pocket instead of an EBT card.

That's why we badly need the changes I proposed earlier.

(01-05-2017 12:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 12:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 04:35 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 11:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Explain how Ford getting no breaks and this plant being built in Mexico with Mexicans getting the paychecks would be better than giving them some sort of break. How it is bad that these American workers will be spending their paychecks in American stores, restaurants, etc. thus paying the salaries of even more American workers. How would it be better for every American listed above to be replaced by Mexican? To
I REALLY can't wait to see this spin.

You pcan't imagine a scenario where an American company needs to move a factory out of the country to perform better? And you can't figure how an American company performing better is good for the American economy? I think you're being willfully ignorant here.

There is absolutely no scenario where it is better for the American economy for wages to be going to foreign workers instead of Americans. I don't give a damn about your portfolio, I care about the man on the street having money in his pocket instead of an EBT card.

That's why we badly need the changes I proposed earlier.

And after Jan 20th Trump can make those changes. He can't right now.

(01-05-2017 12:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 12:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 12:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 04:35 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 11:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Explain how Ford getting no breaks and this plant being built in Mexico with Mexicans getting the paychecks would be better than giving them some sort of break. How it is bad that these American workers will be spending their paychecks in American stores, restaurants, etc. thus paying the salaries of even more American workers. How would it be better for every American listed above to be replaced by Mexican? To
I REALLY can't wait to see this spin.

You pcan't imagine a scenario where an American company needs to move a factory out of the country to perform better? And you can't figure how an American company performing better is good for the American economy? I think you're being willfully ignorant here.

There is absolutely no scenario where it is better for the American economy for wages to be going to foreign workers instead of Americans. I don't give a damn about your portfolio, I care about the man on the street having money in his pocket instead of an EBT card.

That's why we badly need the changes I proposed earlier.

And after Jan 20th Trump can make those changes. He can't right now.

He'll need congress even then. But he's done about as much as he can as president-elect.

(01-05-2017 12:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 04:35 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 11:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Explain how Ford getting no breaks and this plant being built in Mexico with Mexicans getting the paychecks would be better than giving them some sort of break. How it is bad that these American workers will be spending their paychecks in American stores, restaurants, etc. thus paying the salaries of even more American workers. How would it be better for every American listed above to be replaced by Mexican?

I REALLY can't wait to see this spin.

You can't imagine a scenario where an American company needs to move a factory out of the country to perform better? And you can't figure how an American company performing better is good for the American economy? I think you're being willfully ignorant here.

There is absolutely no scenario where it is better for the American economy for wages to be going to foreign workers instead of Americans. I don't give a damn about your portfolio, I care about the man on the street having money in his pocket instead of an EBT card.

Before I respond to this, I have to ask a question: Did you support (or at least agree with) the government bailouts of GM and Chrysler? If so, we just see this so differently that we'll have to agree to disagree.

(01-05-2017 02:06 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 12:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 04:35 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 11:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Explain how Ford getting no breaks and this plant being built in Mexico with Mexicans getting the paychecks would be better than giving them some sort of break. How it is bad that these American workers will be spending their paychecks in American stores, restaurants, etc. thus paying the salaries of even more American workers. How would it be better for every American listed above to be replaced by Mexican?

I REALLY can't wait to see this spin.

You can't imagine a scenario where an American company needs to move a factory out of the country to perform better? And you can't figure how an American company performing better is good for the American economy? I think you're being willfully ignorant here.

There is absolutely no scenario where it is better for the American economy for wages to be going to foreign workers instead of Americans. I don't give a damn about your portfolio, I care about the man on the street having money in his pocket instead of an EBT card.

Before I respond to this, I have to ask a question: Did you support (or at least agree with) the government bailouts of GM and Chrysler? If so, we just see this so differently that we'll have to agree to disagree.

No I didn't, and the continued equivalency of the two is a false flag.

Giving Ford tax or other incentives isn't rewarding them for mismanagement like bailing out the failing GM and Chrysler was. Ford shareholders aren't getting absolutely screwed over by this deal like GM and Chrysler shareholders did over the bailout. There isn't a "cash for clunkers" plan to artificially inflate the new car market. This is a deal that ensures that an expansion that was going to happen anyway happens in America instead of Mexico, not the government artificially propping up and promoting two failed business models.

The only people who see an equivalency between the two totally different situations are those who are: A. hell bent on making everything Trump does out to be a disaster or B. are so blinded by political ideology that they can't deal with reality. I am a realist....while I would like for companies to build and expand operations in the US without government involvement the reality is there is always going to be some level of involvement, even in Owl#'s liberaltarian utopia. To believe otherwise is foolish.

I've sat in meetings where tax benefit packages for economic development were discussed several different times. I've seen the numbers and when everything is accounted for the benefit is always greater than the cost. As for your concern over "picking winners and losers" the winner in this case is the American economy and the loser is the Mexican economy. Pardon me if I'm not ideologically opposed to it.