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Is the CAA looking to expand?
I realize you have 10 schools, and that is a great number for basketball, but would the conference consider expanding and by how many and who would be the targets?
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
(02-12-2017 03:07 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I realize you have 10 schools, and that is a great number for basketball, but would the conference consider expanding and by how many and who would be the targets?

I would hope 1 in the north and 1 in the south. Could be 2 div in basketball and cut travel. Who they may be looking at if they are I have no clue. My preference would be Winthrop in the south. Who could depend on looking for schools with football or not
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
Gosh I hope not. With what college basketball has become by the way that the NCAA Tournament has become weighted so heavily by the Power 6, I'd rather see the conference be smaller, not larger, since no matter what the CAA does, it will always be a 1 bid conference. It's hard enough for any of the current teams to get into the NCAA Tournament right now, why make it even tougher?
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
The only good reason to expand the CAA would be to create a North and South division.

From the South, IMO, UNCG would be the best fit and add the most to the conference. They are located in the largest metropolitan area on the east coast that would offer the CAA an opportunity to expand. Also, Greensboro sits in an ideal location for travel and potentially a location for the CAA tournament at the Greensboro Colisuem.

UNCW, Elon, CofC, JMU, William and Mary and even Towson are under 6 hours away driving.

William and Mary, UNCW, Elon and JMU are all under 4 hours drive with CofC under 5 hours.

They would be one of the largest schools in the CAA, and would create a great rivalry with UNCW and especially Elon who are about 30 minutes away.

I have no idea what school would fit from the north.
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
I also doubt they are looking to expand in any way but if they added the northern and southern team for divisions my guess for the northern team would be either Boston University or Stony Brook, but not sure either NU or HU would approve of their neighbors. The only other logical teams would be Patriot league teams, but I don't see any of them moving due to academics.
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
Expansion just for expansion sake would be dumb at this point. I'd like to see divisions, but if it means adding a team like, say, Furman, I'll pass. Either add 2 quality basketball schools or keep it at 10.
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
(02-13-2017 07:57 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I also doubt they are looking to expand in any way but if they added the northern and southern team for divisions my guess for the northern team would be either Boston University or Stony Brook, but not sure either NU or HU would approve of their neighbors. The only other logical teams would be Patriot league teams, but I don't see any of them moving due to academics.
What about Monmouth? I don't know if they want to move conferences again so soon. They're one of three schools in the Metro Atlantic Athletic (MAAC) that isn't Catholic. They were 290th in the RPI in their first season in the MAAC, but two seasons later in 2015-2016 they won 28 games. They're 50th in the RPI, tied for 11th in Division I wins (21), tied for third in active winning streak (11 games), and tied for sixth in active road winning streak (5 games). They're in a state that doesn't have a CAA team. They're closer to the CAA's geographic center than Boston University or Stony Brook. They might get the CAA more media attention in New York City. As a Drexel fan, would you want a New Jersey team like Monmouth or Rider in the CAA?

I like a balanced schedule with 10 teams. In 2006-2007 Virginia Commonwealth won the regular season and CAA Tournament and beat Duke in the NCAA Tournament. Old Dominion got an at-large bid. Old Dominion had to play third place Hofstra and fourth place Drexel twice each, and Virginia Commonwealth played them once each. If I had to pick a school to add it would be Monmouth.
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
There's really no schools the CAA could add that would excite me. Maybe they can add some of the football only schools to all sports (albany/SB/NH), but I'm not sure that'd benefit the conference much.
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(02-13-2017 04:47 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  There's really no schools the CAA could add that would excite me. Maybe they can add some of the football only schools to all sports (albany/SB/NH), but I'm not sure that'd benefit the conference much.
The America East would lose four teams (those three and Maine) and would have only 5 teams left if all four of them left. It's possible that SUNY Stony Brook, Albany, and Binghamton would prefer to be in the same conference. Monmouth is closer to the geographic center of the CAA than those four teams.
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It's worth noting that Monmouth would probably bring its football team too. Not that I really want Monmouth
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
(02-13-2017 12:35 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  What about Monmouth? I don't know if they want to move conferences again so soon. They're one of three schools in the Metro Atlantic Athletic (MAAC) that isn't Catholic. They were 290th in the RPI in their first season in the MAAC, but two seasons later in 2015-2016 they won 28 games. They're 50th in the RPI, tied for 11th in Division I wins (21), tied for third in active winning streak (11 games), and tied for sixth in active road winning streak (5 games). They're in a state that doesn't have a CAA team. They're closer to the CAA's geographic center than Boston University or Stony Brook. They might get the CAA more media attention in New York City. As a Drexel fan, would you want a New Jersey team like Monmouth or Rider in the CAA?

I like a balanced schedule with 10 teams. In 2006-2007 Virginia Commonwealth won the regular season and CAA Tournament and beat Duke in the NCAA Tournament. Old Dominion got an at-large bid. Old Dominion had to play third place Hofstra and fourth place Drexel twice each, and Virginia Commonwealth played them once each. If I had to pick a school to add it would be Monmouth.

I dont think any of us would mind as we play them pretty frequently as it is, especially Rider. I did not think of Monmouth mostly because of their size and the fact they are decently new to the MAAC. They are good right now, but history says they are not very good on any regular basis. I wouldnt mind them. Not sure Rider would add anything to this conference.
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
Would Hofstra throw a hissy fit over Monmouth like they did Stony Brook.

My guess would be yes or else Monmouth would have already joined the CAA with their football team instead of the MAAC Big South split they have now

A 10 team round robin league from Boston to Charleston at our level is not a healthy long term solution. We need divisions
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(02-18-2017 07:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Would Hofstra throw a hissy fit over Monmouth like they did Stony Brook.

My guess would be yes or else Monmouth would have already joined the CAA with their football team instead of the MAAC Big South split they have now

A 10 team round robin league from Boston to Charleston at our level is not a healthy long term solution. We need divisions
What rights to stop its neighbors from joining does the CAA give teams? According to Google Maps, it's 82.0 miles from Monmouth to Hofstra, which is far enough that I don't think Hofstra should have the power to veto Monmouth joining. It's 84.1 miles from Monmouth to Drexel, so if there is veto power Drexel should have as much as Hofstra.

When the Pacific-12 had 10 teams, there were two in Arizona, two in southern California, two in northern California, two in Oregon, and two in Washington. That's longer travel than the CAA has, although the Pacific-10 schools have more money to spend. The Big East has 10 teams with longer travel than the CAA. Do you think Providence, who has been in the Big East longer than other teams, likes their travel? They have to leave the Eastern Time Zone to go to Marquette in Wisconsin, DePaul in Illinois, and Creighton in Nebraska. Connecticut, New Jersey Institute of Technology, and Old Dominion are far away from most teams in their conference. One of Northeastern's neighbors, Boston College, has a ton of travel. So does one of the most famous schools, Notre Dame. Notre Dame has to fly to schools in Virginia and farther south.
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
Judging from the history of Hofstra keeping Stony Brook out I would surmise the CAA presidents give their fellow presidents defacto veto power over neighboring schools
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
It depends on how you define "neighboring." Forgetting about the fact that Delaware State is historically black, would Delaware be able to stop Delaware State from joining? Delaware to Delaware State is about half the distance of Hofstra to Monmouth. Would Towson be able to stop American (in D.C.) from joining? Would Drexel be able to stop Lafayette or Lehigh from joining? All of those are shorter distances than Hofstra to Monmouth. If Hofstra could keep Monmouth out but Delaware couldn't keep Delaware State out, then the definition of "neighboring" is arbitrary.

As a separate note, why would Stony Brook want to join the CAA? I don't think they would have made the NCAA Tournament last season if they had to beat you to get there. Stony Brook also would have more travel in the CAA than they do in the America East.
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
In my opinion based on precident, any university president that wanted to keep a school out for territorial reasons would have the backing of the others. Again, see Hofstra keeping Stony Brook out last go round

As for why Stony Brook would want to join the CAA, I would surmise that it is a better fit for them then the AE

They are competitive in virtually all the sports the CAA emphasises
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RE: Is the CAA looking to expand?
Would agree with an earlier poster that one of the current football members would make most sense, bringing them in as all sports members.

UAlbany was apparently poised to join all sports when Elon entered and then backed out, reportedly due to finances. Given how the State of NY likes to play politics with their college sports programs, I would hope we ditch any further thoughts with UAlbany or Stony Brook and maybe look at UNH as a possibility.

Might be worth checking the pulse of a few of Patriot members - Holy Cross, Colgate or Lehigh. One of those might be open to a modest upgrade.

In the South, I like Furman but don't see them cutting ties with their current set-up.

In the end, the CAA doesn't really need new members right now. If they did expand, 12 should be the ceiling for all sports. I would prefer that new members have football as part of their sports program.
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The REAL question no one is asking is when does JMU leave the conference to file as an FBS independent? 05-stirthepot
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It's not as if anyone is ignoring the question. Fact is, the departure/expectation of JMU leaving has been discussed ad nauseum.

I thought they should have/were going to follow App State to the SunBelt. Oh well.

In the end, losing JMU can be easily filled with someone else. It's when you lose multiple programs, as four years ago, that the direction of the conference becomes tenuous. The CAA did a nice job on replacements then, I expect they would again.
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(02-19-2017 11:47 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  It's not as if anyone is ignoring the question. Fact is, the departure/expectation of JMU leaving has been discussed ad nauseum.

I thought they should have/were going to follow App State to the SunBelt. Oh well.

In the end, losing JMU can be easily filled with someone else. It's when you lose multiple programs, as four years ago, that the direction of the conference becomes tenuous. The CAA did a nice job on replacements then, I expect they would again.

Thoughts on JMU replacements that are lateral or a gain for the conference?
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