(03-08-2017 01:58 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:48 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:42 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Sigh.... except when I just said Women should not be scout leaders for the exact same reason and that Men should not lead girl scouts. You do realize I was saying they should ban straights where a heterosexual relationship is more feasible.


On here? John, it's the spin room of a sports board... It's newsworthy if anyone wants to talk about it.

and when someone wants to highlight this for no reason other than to bash gays...

that's bigotry.

I look forward to your ardent protest the next time a Catholic abuse story gets posted here... I won't hold my breath, but I'll still look forward to it.

the catholic church actually has a pedo problem.

Bigot

sorry. #facts

(03-08-2017 02:00 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 12:56 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sure at some point a married scoutmaster has raped a scout, and while it's terrible, it doesn't mean that no married men should be allowed to be scoutmasters.

Should the scouts allow gay leaders?

The scouts shouldn't care. Run the background checks.

I'm sorry if you would put adults who are oriented in such a way that attraction to their teenage charges is possible are in authority over those teens on a camping trip then you're being foolish.

It stupid on many levels.

the red sums up bold pretty well.

(03-08-2017 02:00 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 12:56 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sure at some point a married scoutmaster has raped a scout, and while it's terrible, it doesn't mean that no married men should be allowed to be scoutmasters.

Should the scouts allow gay leaders?

The scouts shouldn't care. Run the background checks.

I'm sorry if you would put adults who are oriented in such a way that attraction to their teenage charges is possible are in authority over those teens on a camping trip then you're being foolish.

It stupid on many levels.

then you need to have multiple chaperones on said camping trips. There are always multiple coaches with me on soccer trips for said reason.

(03-08-2017 01:16 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 12:22 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But there is nothing in your story about the abuser being gay.

Because a 15 year old is post pubecent and hence attrationc to them does not meet the 2013 DCM definition for pedophilia.

Therefore a 28 year old having sex with a 15 year old, while disgusting in our society, is not pedophilia.

So what is a non-pedo sexual encounter between to males now called?

I realize that, but the OP explained why he posted the thread in Post #3, so that's what we've been debating. Not this particular case per se.

Ok I can admittedly be a bit slow on the uptake here but..

OP -> Story about a gay scout leader having sex with a 15 yo
RWT -> Why would you post this here
#3 -> Do you think that there should be gay scout leaders
RWT -> What do gay scout leaders have to do with this.

Apparently...neither the OP nor the article in it said anything about the leader being gay. And we still have no evidence that he is!

(03-08-2017 02:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:00 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 12:56 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sure at some point a married scoutmaster has raped a scout, and while it's terrible, it doesn't mean that no married men should be allowed to be scoutmasters.

Should the scouts allow gay leaders?

The scouts shouldn't care. Run the background checks.

I'm sorry if you would put adults who are oriented in such a way that attraction to their teenage charges is possible are in authority over those teens on a camping trip then you're being foolish.

It stupid on many levels.

then you need to have multiple chaperones on said camping trips. There are always multiple coaches with me on soccer trips for said reason.

That goes without saying but, if at all possible, they should *all* be folks who can not find their chargers sexually appealing.

This scout leader Im sure shared the responsibilities with other scout leaders.

(03-08-2017 02:00 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 12:56 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I'm sure at some point a married scoutmaster has raped a scout, and while it's terrible, it doesn't mean that no married men should be allowed to be scoutmasters.

Should the scouts allow gay leaders?

The scouts shouldn't care. Run the background checks.

I'm sorry if you would put adults who are oriented in such a way that attraction to their teenage charges is possible are in authority over those teens on a camping trip then you're being foolish.

It stupid on many levels.

There you go again. There is no correlation of homosexuals being predisposed to attraction to young men. Not any more than older straight men being attracted to young women.

Homosexuality <> Pedophilia

(03-08-2017 02:11 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:00 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Should the scouts allow gay leaders?

The scouts shouldn't care. Run the background checks.

I'm sorry if you would put adults who are oriented in such a way that attraction to their teenage charges is possible are in authority over those teens on a camping trip then you're being foolish.

It stupid on many levels.

then you need to have multiple chaperones on said camping trips. There are always multiple coaches with me on soccer trips for said reason.

That goes without saying but, if at all possible, they should *all* be folks who can not find their chargers sexually appealing.

This scout leader Im sure shared the responsibilities with other scout leaders.

well I'm a hetrosexual who coaches adult looking girls. Should I be fired?

(03-08-2017 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Apparently...neither the OP nor the article in it said anything about the leader being gay. And we still have no evidence that he is!

The suspect (a 28-year old man) is accused of raping a 15-year-old boy.

Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of "homosexual" includes:

"of, relating to, or involving sexual activity between persons of the same sex."

(03-08-2017 02:14 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Apparently...neither the OP nor the article in it said anything about the leader being gay. And we still have no evidence that he is!

The suspect (a 28-year old man) is accused of raping a 15-year-old boy.

Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of "homosexual" includes:

"of, relating to, or involving sexual activity between persons of the same sex."

everrespect lost this argument on here years ago.

(03-08-2017 02:14 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Apparently...neither the OP nor the article in it said anything about the leader being gay. And we still have no evidence that he is!

The suspect (a 28-year old man) is accused of raping a 15-year-old boy.

Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of "homosexual" includes:

"of, relating to, or involving sexual activity between persons of the same sex."

Having homosexual sex does not always mean the participants are gay.

(03-08-2017 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:14 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Apparently...neither the OP nor the article in it said anything about the leader being gay. And we still have no evidence that he is!

The suspect (a 28-year old man) is accused of raping a 15-year-old boy.

Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of "homosexual" includes:

"of, relating to, or involving sexual activity between persons of the same sex."

Having homosexual sex does not always mean the participants are gay.

If you are a man having sex with a teenaged boy, you are gay. There is no other way around it.

(03-08-2017 02:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:14 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Apparently...neither the OP nor the article in it said anything about the leader being gay. And we still have no evidence that he is!

The suspect (a 28-year old man) is accused of raping a 15-year-old boy.

Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of "homosexual" includes:

"of, relating to, or involving sexual activity between persons of the same sex."

Having homosexual sex does not always mean the participants are gay.

If you are a man having sex with a teenaged boy, you are gay. There is no other way around it.

could be bisexual

(03-08-2017 02:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:11 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:00 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  The scouts shouldn't care. Run the background checks.

I'm sorry if you would put adults who are oriented in such a way that attraction to their teenage charges is possible are in authority over those teens on a camping trip then you're being foolish.

It stupid on many levels.

then you need to have multiple chaperones on said camping trips. There are always multiple coaches with me on soccer trips for said reason.

That goes without saying but, if at all possible, they should *all* be folks who can not find their chargers sexually appealing.

This scout leader Im sure shared the responsibilities with other scout leaders.

well I'm a hetrosexual who coaches adult looking girls. Should I be fired?

fsquid, meet the phrase "if at all possible", "if at all possible" meet fsquid.

I love how cons argue that being under 18 counts as pedophilia when it helps there argument but when it hurts their argument all of the sudden this trivial technicality matters.

unless cons are arguing changing the age of consent in general to 15? why the hell are we even talking about this?

(03-08-2017 02:37 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:11 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:00 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  I'm sorry if you would put adults who are oriented in such a way that attraction to their teenage charges is possible are in authority over those teens on a camping trip then you're being foolish.

It stupid on many levels.

then you need to have multiple chaperones on said camping trips. There are always multiple coaches with me on soccer trips for said reason.

That goes without saying but, if at all possible, they should *all* be folks who can not find their chargers sexually appealing.

This scout leader Im sure shared the responsibilities with other scout leaders.

well I'm a hetrosexual who coaches adult looking girls. Should I be fired?

fsquid, meet the phrase "if at all possible", "if at all possible" meet fsquid.

well it would be possible. They could shoot me and hire a heterosexual woman.

(03-08-2017 02:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I love how cons argue that being under 18 counts as pedophilia when it helps there argument but when it hurts their argument all of the sudden this trivial technicality matters.

unless cons are arguing changing the age of consent in general to 15? why the hell are we even talking about this?

This thread is on page 6 and much of it is you. If you don't want to talk about it, don't talk about it. If you were man enough to court a woman and produce a son, you might be more concerned.

(03-08-2017 02:50 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:37 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:11 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:05 PM)fsquid Wrote:  then you need to have multiple chaperones on said camping trips. There are always multiple coaches with me on soccer trips for said reason.

That goes without saying but, if at all possible, they should *all* be folks who can not find their chargers sexually appealing.

This scout leader Im sure shared the responsibilities with other scout leaders.

well I'm a hetrosexual who coaches adult looking girls. Should I be fired?

fsquid, meet the phrase "if at all possible", "if at all possible" meet fsquid.

well it would be possible. They could shoot me and hire a heterosexual woman.

orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and here is a thought... Send a female teacher/parent on trips with you

(03-08-2017 02:50 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I love how cons argue that being under 18 counts as pedophilia when it helps there argument but when it hurts their argument all of the sudden this trivial technicality matters.

unless cons are arguing changing the age of consent in general to 15? why the hell are we even talking about this?

This thread is on page 6 and much of it is you. If you don't want to talk about it, don't talk about it. If you were man enough to court a woman and produce a son, you might be more concerned.

you have issues dude.

(03-08-2017 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Having homosexual sex does not always mean the participants are gay.

Wow. It's somewhere in the LGTBQ alphabet.

(03-08-2017 02:56 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Having homosexual sex does not always mean the participants are gay.

Wow. It's somewhere in the LGTBQ alphabet.

Many people are turned on by (or attracted to) the sexual activity itself and not the participant. That doesn't make you gay. Sorry, but it just doesn't.

Granted, in most cases the participants probably are, but it's not 100%. That's all I'm saying. This is why you can't legislate morality or obscenity.