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RE: Rank Division I programs in your state in terms of resources
1a. Utah
1b. BYU

2. Utah State
3. Weber State
4. Southern Utah
5. Utah Valley
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Live in Michigan: It's UofM and MSU and that's pretty much it in terms of resources which is unlimited. The other schools all fight for scraps, depends on the city you live that is a far and distant 3rd.
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(04-10-2017 11:06 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 09:21 AM)dayooper Wrote:  Michigan. Since there are seven D1 schools in Michigan, I won't list any ties and try to give reasoning for each.

1. University of Michigan - Almost unlimited resources. Home football game revenues are gigantic and they have a huge donor base. Michigan football is taking a trip to Rome and a donor paid for the entire trip!

2. Michigan State - Right up there with Michigan, but they don't have the home football game revenues and the donor base. Otherwise, the Spartans are on par with Their neighbors to the south.

3. Western Michigan - The Broncos aren't close to the two Big10 teams, but have the most resources of the three MAC schools. Huge school that has a good hockey program and was willing to pay out to keep PJ Fleck as their football coach.

4. Central Michigan - The Chips are in a great place for what they have. Will always lag behind their rival WMU, but they do well for themselves.

5. Eastern Michigan - They have a really good debate team.

6. Oakland - Growing school (just opened a med school) in one of the most wealthy areas of Michigan (Oakland County), they have the resources to compete in the Horizon league.

7. Detroit Mercy - Like many small, private schools in the state, they are struggling a bit.

Can we just convince UD-M to drop down and Wayne State move up?

GVSU would be a better option than Wayne St. Neither will never up, though.
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(03-26-2018 05:06 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  1a. Utah
1b. BYU

2. Utah State
3. Weber State
4. Southern Utah
5. Utah Valley

I think I agree with this--but I'm not sure if Utah Valley is below Southern Utah. Not worried about it enough to try and look up funding numbers though.
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RE: Rank Division I programs in your state in terms of resources
UVA
Va Tech
(UVA clearly has a financial advantage although athletic performance hasn't followed at least in football. Tech has the more rabid football fan base but some success would bring the Wahoos out of hiding)


ODU
VCU
(In terms of total resources ODU has an edge due to having a football program but it's a close thing and if you look at it in terms of disposable resources available to meet your demands, say you need to buy a coach out of a contract, then it's the Rams for sure. As much as it pains me to say it they did a great job leveraging their F4 run. I'm keeping my rankings like this because I'm a homer)

JMU
W&M
(W&M have a few loyal fans with very deep pockets. They can and are doing what they want. The Dukes have a much wider fan base and higher aspirations).

Richmond (Similar to W&M but fewer fans. They do have a higher BB profile)

George Mason (They did a terrible job of leveraging their F4 run)

Tough to say after that.

**** just remembered Liberty. They've literally got more money than they know what to do with. A few years ago I'd have put them in the "Also Ran" category, now probably just below JMU. In a few more years they could easily be #3. They've got the money and facilities they just need to get people to buy in to their brand the right coaches and some success.
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Anyone that ranks a G5 program on par with a P5 program from a resource perspective doesn’t understand the disparity in TV revenue.
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1. Illinois - Big Ten flagship, nuff said.


2. Northwestern - Not nearly as much potential as U of I but their football overachieves relative to resources with basketball on the rise as well.



3. NIU - Have done a good job carving out the Northern Illinois market out to an extent you usually don't see among MAC schools, albeit mildly.
4. Depaul - Big East makes them a 'power' conference program technically but they don't have football and their hoops have sucked for a long time.

5. Illinois State - Pretty well-run state school and athletic program, they also benefit from the local State Farm corporate presence.

6. Bradley - Meh, they're stable but nothing too special.
7. SIU-Carbondale - Finances are in pretty rough shape but they do have some history behind them

8. UIC/EIU/WIU/SIU-Edwardsville - Smaller public schools with not much support or market, though SIUE has some potential with hardly any other DI teams in the St. Louis metro.



12. Chicago State

Governors State and Northeastern Illinois don't have athletic programs, with CSU probably on the path to join them shortly. In reality Wisconsin/IU/OSU/Michigan/Michigan State/Iowa/Notre Dame/Purdue arguably have as much sway in some respects (if not more) than U of I or Northwestern, simply since so many of their grads wind up in Chicago.
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(03-26-2018 08:54 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  1. Illinois - Big Ten flagship, nuff said.


2. Northwestern - Not nearly as much potential as U of I but their football overachieves relative to resources with basketball on the rise as well.



3. NIU - Have done a good job carving out the Northern Illinois market out to an extent you usually don't see among MAC schools, albeit mildly.
4. Depaul - Big East makes them a 'power' conference program technically but they don't have football and their hoops have sucked for a long time.

5. Illinois State - Pretty well-run state school and athletic program, they also benefit from the local State Farm corporate presence.

6. Bradley - Meh, they're stable but nothing too special.
7. SIU-Carbondale - Finances are in pretty rough shape but they do have some history behind them

8. UIC/EIU/WIU/SIU-Edwardsville - Smaller public schools with not much support or market, though SIUE has some potential with hardly any other DI teams in the St. Louis metro.



12. Chicago State

Governors State and Northeastern Illinois don't have athletic programs, with CSU probably on the path to join them shortly. In reality Wisconsin/IU/OSU/Michigan/Michigan State/Iowa/Notre Dame/Purdue arguably have as much sway in some respects (if not more) than U of I or Northwestern, simply since so many of their grads wind up in Chicago.

Where would Loyola be in that? 6? 7? They seemed to be well behind most of the MVC teams until this Final Four run.
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Lol forgot about them somehow. Probably between ISU and Bradley.
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(04-24-2017 12:42 AM)IAH Wrote:  ...You are clearly worried of one day having to compete with UH on a level playing field...

LOL, never not funny.
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(04-24-2017 12:42 AM)IAH Wrote:  ['TodgeRodge' pid='14287047' dateline='1492961425
and again you can't use the "well if they got in the Big 12 and got $30 million they could cut that subsidy".......because as I have already showed the results of cutting that subsidy down to even something VERY HIGH relative to other P5 schools cuts the dem coogs doh athletics budget down to something EXTREMELY LOW relative to other P5 schools especially those in the Big 12......it would cut it down to something like $58 million with a subsidy still in the $7 million dollar range which as I showed is nowhere close to $80 million dollars with a subsidy in the $4 million dollar range......not to mention the multi-year buy in that would have happened to gain membership and the fact that Big 12 revenues per team would have ALL taken a hit


Give me a break, try playing a cusa schedule for 20 years and see what that does to your athletic program. You are clearly worried of one day having to compete with UH on a level playing field.

Also... how can one write as much as you did without punctuation is beyond me.

But on the point he was addressing - he's right. Those who say the current UH strategy of funding a $50m athletic budget with half coming from academic transfers can go on forever are wrong. Even UH admins agree that the current plan of spending tens of millions in academic subsidies to the athletic side is unsustainable. It's an all-chips-in plan to look good enough for a P5 invitation, and if that invitation doesn't come soon, UH will have to cash out.

UH isn't alone of course, USF and UCF are playing the same game, for starters. At least seven AAC programs are.

We're burning academic transfers like a dragster flipping the NOS switch, trying to get a blast that will carry us to the P5 finish line. But if that finish line is farther away than we think ...
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(03-26-2018 07:38 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 11:06 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 09:21 AM)dayooper Wrote:  Michigan. Since there are seven D1 schools in Michigan, I won't list any ties and try to give reasoning for each.

1. University of Michigan - Almost unlimited resources. Home football game revenues are gigantic and they have a huge donor base. Michigan football is taking a trip to Rome and a donor paid for the entire trip!

2. Michigan State - Right up there with Michigan, but they don't have the home football game revenues and the donor base. Otherwise, the Spartans are on par with Their neighbors to the south.

3. Western Michigan - The Broncos aren't close to the two Big10 teams, but have the most resources of the three MAC schools. Huge school that has a good hockey program and was willing to pay out to keep PJ Fleck as their football coach.

4. Central Michigan - The Chips are in a great place for what they have. Will always lag behind their rival WMU, but they do well for themselves.

5. Eastern Michigan - They have a really good debate team.

6. Oakland - Growing school (just opened a med school) in one of the most wealthy areas of Michigan (Oakland County), they have the resources to compete in the Horizon league.

7. Detroit Mercy - Like many small, private schools in the state, they are struggling a bit.

Can we just convince UD-M to drop down and Wayne State move up?

GVSU would be a better option than Wayne St. Neither will never up, though.
Unfortunately, I'd probably put GVSU #3 on the list (still miles behind Sparty and UofM). They enjoy being miles above the rest of the GLIAC though.
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