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(06-01-2018 12:47 AM)army56mike Wrote:  
(05-31-2018 03:47 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  The text messages by Briles are the worst in my opinion, and they involve McCaw as well. I don't know how someone can dismiss those.

What do the text messages say?

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/baylor/2...cord-shows

Just Google it and there are plenty of articles about it.
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Yeah I can’t just take this and contribute this as facts. I would like to see the entire text conversation and actually someone other than word of mouth (feelings from media) plus statements from Pepper Hamilton’s “findings.” Also this article and findings were still around the time when the incident was still an uproar(died down some). Since then, there have been flaws from the school itself from the actions of the regents and the results from the attorneys that retain cold evidence. I will just say till now, it is strange that a school will fire someone and then give them millions if they had any involvement with these accusation. Same could go with McCaw, who wasn’t fired and decided to just leave.
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McCaw Article

This is an article quoting McCaw and others on the whole Baylor situation. The whole thing sounds so toxic and I don't want anything to do with anyone involved. But since McCaw defends Briles, it would appear that he would hire him again.
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(06-30-2018 12:16 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  McCaw Article

This is an article quoting McCaw and others on the whole Baylor situation. The whole thing sounds so toxic and I don't want anything to do with anyone involved. But since McCaw defends Briles, it would appear that he would hire him again.

It is toxic, but wrongful actions is no way to “handle the situation.” I believe there’s still questions for Briles and McCaw, but the investigation was poorly done and sketchy that I believe that both men deserve redemption. I think Briles would be an interesting coach, but I’m not sure if McCaw would hire him. I could be wrong on this; others believe it could be Hugh Freeze as well haha. The bottom line is that TG should not have another season after the 2018 season just based on his record. Although this is a logical position, they might keep him based on high ups in favor of him(TG).
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(06-30-2018 12:16 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  McCaw Article

This is an article quoting McCaw and others on the whole Baylor situation. The whole thing sounds so toxic and I don't want anything to do with anyone involved. But since McCaw defends Briles, it would appear that he would hire him again.
My question after reading the newspaper account is simple. If JFJr knew about this, from McCaw's position, did he feel McCaw had a better up side than baggage to drag himself down and the athletics of LU down.

I get the second chance answer. The bigger picture is where is the upside of McCaw? We see now the downside with the Baylor program he left, either rightly or wrongly accused. Usually in these types of events neither party is completely right and neither is completely at fault. The truth lies somewhere between what the parties are charging and claiming. But this is a mess. Something LU should not have to shoulder as this time. It's self inflicted.
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(06-30-2018 05:16 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(06-30-2018 12:16 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  McCaw Article

This is an article quoting McCaw and others on the whole Baylor situation. The whole thing sounds so toxic and I don't want anything to do with anyone involved. But since McCaw defends Briles, it would appear that he would hire him again.
My question after reading the newspaper account is simple. If JFJr knew about this, from McCaw's position, did he feel McCaw had a better up side than baggage to drag himself down and the athletics of LU down.

I get the second chance answer. The bigger picture is where is the upside of McCaw? We see now the downside with the Baylor program he left, either rightly or wrongly accused. Usually in these types of events neither party is completely right and neither is completely at fault. The truth lies somewhere between what the parties are charging and claiming. But this is a mess. Something LU should not have to shoulder as this time. It's self inflicted.

Obviously the upside was the reason. Ian is a genius when it comes to being an athletic director. I think he was a bigger part of the Baylor situation than he makes himself out to be. They brought him in to move to FBS and to get all sports moving in the right direction. He is one of the best ADs out there but he is definitely a questionable character.
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If McCaw doesn’t work out, there is always Tom Jurich. He was one of the best ADs around.03-lmfao
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(06-30-2018 09:22 PM)army56mike Wrote:  If McCaw doesn’t work out, there is always Tom Jurich. He was one of the best ADs around.03-lmfao

He was a scumbag but definitely did what it took to win lol.
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(05-27-2018 09:09 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  The redemption coaching staff.

HC - Hugh Freeze
OC - Art Briles
DC - Jim Tressel
QB’s - Michael Vick

That’s a good start.

Urban Meyer could potentially be added to the list soon.
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He might be put on the list, but not as an individual who would step foot in Lynchburg to be a head coach.
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Dear Ohio State, please hire Turner Gill. I promise the worst you will have to deal with is an accusation of him swearing or a recruiting violation of texting a recruit a day early.
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I am not ready to give up on Coach Gill yet.
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(08-02-2018 07:57 AM)army56mike Wrote:  I am not ready to give up on Coach Gill yet.

Good to see that you still have hope for Gill. I lost hope since preseason of last season. It was great that we beat Baylor, but I knew it would not keep the moral going for the rest of the season. Every time I see Gill on the sideline, he looks confused and not even there mentally. That’s not a coach I would want to have for my alma mater, especially that we were graciously given the ability to play at the top division for college football. Glad that Gill is a believer, but it’s time to have a coach and even staff members who are also believers but know know how to win and engage with the players and community simultaneously. There are a lot of coaches out there that has this caliber.
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(08-02-2018 07:57 AM)army56mike Wrote:  I am not ready to give up on Coach Gill yet.

That's great for you (no sarcasm). I used to have faith in him like that. Out of curiosity, why do you still believe in Gill?
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(08-02-2018 05:37 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-02-2018 07:57 AM)army56mike Wrote:  I am not ready to give up on Coach Gill yet.

That's great for you (no sarcasm). I used to have faith in him like that. Out of curiosity, why do you still believe in Gill?

Mostly because he’s run a clean program. He hasn’t had a losing season yet. And, he’s a stand up guy. I’m not convinced he’s the guy to get us to the next level, but I’m still giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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(08-02-2018 11:23 PM)army56mike Wrote:  
(08-02-2018 05:37 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-02-2018 07:57 AM)army56mike Wrote:  I am not ready to give up on Coach Gill yet.

That's great for you (no sarcasm). I used to have faith in him like that. Out of curiosity, why do you still believe in Gill?

Mostly because he’s run a clean program. He hasn’t had a losing season yet. And, he’s a stand up guy. I’m not convinced he’s the guy to get us to the next level, but I’m still giving him the benefit of the doubt.

To each their own. 04-cheers
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(08-03-2018 08:07 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-02-2018 11:23 PM)army56mike Wrote:  
(08-02-2018 05:37 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-02-2018 07:57 AM)army56mike Wrote:  I am not ready to give up on Coach Gill yet.

That's great for you (no sarcasm). I used to have faith in him like that. Out of curiosity, why do you still believe in Gill?

Mostly because he’s run a clean program. He hasn’t had a losing season yet. And, he’s a stand up guy. I’m not convinced he’s the guy to get us to the next level, but I’m still giving him the benefit of the doubt.

To each their own. 04-cheers

I have a different stance on Gill. He is a great guy and is a decent recruiter. I was all aboard the fire Gill train this offseason. Since we didn’t I feel we should ride with him a few more years. The opportunity to fire him was there after a meh season and a new AD. There really isn’t a standard of success to go off of this year since it’s our first FBS. You can make an argument for him to stay as long as he doesn’t lose to one of the FCS teams. As long as we keep it respectable, outside of the Auburn and Army games, he will likely be back. I think since we didn’t make a move we have to stay with him at least 2-3 years. If we move on after this season it will really hurt our recruiting and destroy our reputation for prospective head coaches.
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How would firing Gill after this season hurt our reputation with other coaches? I think we've shown to be very loyal to someone who has underachieved almost his entire tenure after following someone we kept increasing his salary for to keep him from moving on elsewhere. I understand it could hurt our recruiting but that's how any change in coaching would go. With the right coach, we could even improve recruiting. 247 has us rated at like 130 give or take so we aren't that good.
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(08-04-2018 09:05 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  How would firing Gill after this season hurt our reputation with other coaches? I think we've shown to be very loyal to someone who has underachieved almost his entire tenure after following someone we kept increasing his salary for to keep him from moving on elsewhere. I understand it could hurt our recruiting but that's how any change in coaching would go. With the right coach, we could even improve recruiting. 247 has us rated at like 130 give or take so we aren't that good.

Firing a coach that went 2-10 or better their first year FBS would be a horrible look (assuming those losses weren’t ugly). Why would a coach want to come to a place that just fired a coach when they have no idea what to expect from him? I feel like last year was the perfect time to do it but now it’s too late. Gill will be here for another season at the minimum if we don’t lose to a FCS team.
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