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(11-19-2017 08:43 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Didn't see the game as I went to the Virginia Miami game. Now to Gill's fate. At 6-5, weak victories, and a now even a Baylor victory that has reduced importance, it's time for a new coach. Rocco could not get LU over the hump to the playoffs. Gill did. Gill cannot take the team to the next level as Rocco couldn't. Gill's system, his operation is flawed. Coaches, recruiting, game day decisions, the whole system needs a change. An infusion. The AD inherited Gill. He's not his man. It's time to thank Gill for advancing the program. For getting LU to a playoff appearance and a playoff win. To beating a P5 school. All first for the program. But his time and value have come and gone. You're a good man Gill. Just not the best person now.

Who would be your picks for coaches? Top 5-10
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(11-19-2017 08:43 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Didn't see the game as I went to the Virginia Miami game. Now to Gill's fate. At 6-5, weak victories, and a now even a Baylor victory that has reduced importance, it's time for a new coach. Rocco could not get LU over the hump to the playoffs. Gill did. Gill cannot take the team to the next level as Rocco couldn't. Gill's system, his operation is flawed. Coaches, recruiting, game day decisions, the whole system needs a change. An infusion. The AD inherited Gill. He's not his man. It's time to thank Gill for advancing the program. For getting LU to a playoff appearance and a playoff win. To beating a P5 school. All first for the program. But his time and value have come and gone. You're a good man Gill. Just not the best person now.

It's also sad how big of a deal this one small hump is. Only the top 20% get in, but only making it once in 6 years is horrible. Doesn't matter that we've never done it before, that just shows how bad we've always been or how low our expectations are.

KSU wins the BSC outright, getting that "ellusive" AQ to playoffs, as a third year football program. And they didn't have to block a FG to get it. Monmouth, at 9/2 for the season, has a possibility of getting the even more elusive at large. Monmouth may very well return to dumpster fire status, but a lot of people were predicting this progression for KSU since their first year, so i'd expect repeat trips in coming years.
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(11-19-2017 09:56 AM)Willflop Wrote:  
(11-19-2017 08:43 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Didn't see the game as I went to the Virginia Miami game. Now to Gill's fate. At 6-5, weak victories, and a now even a Baylor victory that has reduced importance, it's time for a new coach. Rocco could not get LU over the hump to the playoffs. Gill did. Gill cannot take the team to the next level as Rocco couldn't. Gill's system, his operation is flawed. Coaches, recruiting, game day decisions, the whole system needs a change. An infusion. The AD inherited Gill. He's not his man. It's time to thank Gill for advancing the program. For getting LU to a playoff appearance and a playoff win. To beating a P5 school. All first for the program. But his time and value have come and gone. You're a good man Gill. Just not the best person now.

It's also sad how big of a deal this one small hump is. Only the top 20% get in, but only making it once in 6 years is horrible. Doesn't matter that we've never done it before, that just shows how bad we've always been or how low our expectations are.

KSU wins the BSC outright, getting that "ellusive" AQ to playoffs, as a third year football program. And they didn't have to block a FG to get it. Monmouth, at 9/2 for the season, has a possibility of getting the even more elusive at large. Monmouth may very well return to dumpster fire status, but a lot of people were predicting this progression for KSU since their first year, so i'd expect repeat trips in coming years.

I have only been a fan of recent but didnt Rocco not have the luxury of the auto bid?
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That's what I've heard too, but didn't follow it closely back then either.
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It's true. Rocco went 10-2 one season and was ranked 15th or 16th in FCS and didn't get invited to the 16-team field. Now the tournament is up to 24 teams and with the expansion, the Big South receives an auto-bid.

Prior to the Big South's auto-bid, Rocco's teams dominated the Big South with players like Rashad Jennings and Mike Brown but couldn't make the playoffs. Then Stony Brook arrived and foiled LU's attempt at the playoffs by winning the bid. Then Coastal Carolina replaced Stony Brook as the upset, followed by Charleston Southern in recent years. Liberty won a share of the conference something like six times but lost out on tie-breakers all but once.

It's sad to see that Stony Brook moved on to the CAA, then Coastal to the Sun Belt on it's own, but then LU couldn't even win the conference with them gone. That tells you a lot of how far the program fell with Gill as coach.
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And what do you know. Rocco takes last year 4/7 UD to playoffs in his first season there.
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(11-19-2017 09:05 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(11-19-2017 08:43 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Didn't see the game as I went to the Virginia Miami game. Now to Gill's fate. At 6-5, weak victories, and a now even a Baylor victory that has reduced importance, it's time for a new coach. Rocco could not get LU over the hump to the playoffs. Gill did. Gill cannot take the team to the next level as Rocco couldn't. Gill's system, his operation is flawed. Coaches, recruiting, game day decisions, the whole system needs a change. An infusion. The AD inherited Gill. He's not his man. It's time to thank Gill for advancing the program. For getting LU to a playoff appearance and a playoff win. To beating a P5 school. All first for the program. But his time and value have come and gone. You're a good man Gill. Just not the best person now.

Who would be your picks for coaches? Top 5-10
It would seem wisest for LU to get the best young coach available or a senior coach who still commands respect. A problem I see is there seems to be a perception that a coach has to fit into the "Liberty way". Many posters here state that and some feel it a necessary requirement. If that's true, it pigeon holes and limits LU with available coaches in the market. Now before plastic keyboard covers start peeling off by those who don't agree, I am saying LU should go after the best available young coach in FCS, an assistant coach in the FBS who has excelled in offense or defense, or a seasoned FBS coach who would bring instant credibility. This person should be like all coaches and be of high moral character and not have baggage. It that is the Liberty way, I'm all in. If it is someone who overtly has to profess their spiritual beliefs to accommodate a self proclaimed or school requirement, then fans can expect years more of losing seasons. We all know LU is a different kind of program. And coaches know that. But fact is, at present, it's a program without a rudder, floundering with great facilities, weakening attendance, and minor success beyond the Big South.

Go for the biggest, brightest coach on the radar. Young and enthusiastic knocking on the door of success or the veteran coach, with a proven track record who can provide 4-6 years of improvement and stability. Either the young up an coming star, or someone like Howard Schnellenberger will be the AD's man. Shellenberger brought prominence to Miami and then started FAU from scratch. A young coach or veteran can both succeed. Just get the best coach and don't settle for one because of imposing limitations.
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(11-19-2017 12:41 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(11-19-2017 09:05 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(11-19-2017 08:43 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Didn't see the game as I went to the Virginia Miami game. Now to Gill's fate. At 6-5, weak victories, and a now even a Baylor victory that has reduced importance, it's time for a new coach. Rocco could not get LU over the hump to the playoffs. Gill did. Gill cannot take the team to the next level as Rocco couldn't. Gill's system, his operation is flawed. Coaches, recruiting, game day decisions, the whole system needs a change. An infusion. The AD inherited Gill. He's not his man. It's time to thank Gill for advancing the program. For getting LU to a playoff appearance and a playoff win. To beating a P5 school. All first for the program. But his time and value have come and gone. You're a good man Gill. Just not the best person now.

Who would be your picks for coaches? Top 5-10
It would seem wisest for LU to get the best young coach available or a senior coach who still commands respect. A problem I see is there seems to be a perception that a coach has to fit into the "Liberty way". Many posters here state that and some feel it a necessary requirement. If that's true, it pigeon holes and limits LU with available coaches in the market. Now before plastic keyboard covers start peeling off by those who don't agree, I am saying LU should go after the best available young coach in FCS, an assistant coach in the FBS who has excelled in offense or defense, or a seasoned FBS coach who would bring instant credibility. This person should be like all coaches and be of high moral character and not have baggage. It that is the Liberty way, I'm all in. If it is someone who overtly has to profess their spiritual beliefs to accommodate a self proclaimed or school requirement, then fans can expect years more of losing seasons. We all know LU is a different kind of program. And coaches know that. But fact is, at present, it's a program without a rudder, floundering with great facilities, weakening attendance, and minor success beyond the Big South.

Go for the biggest, brightest coach on the radar. Young and enthusiastic knocking on the door of success or the veteran coach, with a proven track record who can provide 4-6 years of improvement and stability. Either the young up an coming star, or someone like Howard Schnellenberger will be the AD's man. Shellenberger brought prominence to Miami and then started FAU from scratch. A young coach or veteran can both succeed. Just get the best coach and don't settle for one because of imposing limitations.

Oh I agree. I think too many LU fans want the outwardly Christian coach. I just want someone that is of high moral character. Someone that runs a clean program that we can be proud of. From what I know of Gill is that he acts the part in interviews but in person is not the nicest. Wasn't he supposedly cussing on the sideline? That doesn't fit the LU way.
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There was one incident earlier this year accusing Gill of swearing at the opposing band (I think). I find that to either be a false accusation or a mistaken identity as Gill has never displayed that before and all the players only have great things to say.

https://twitter.com/DamienSordelett/stat...4635801602

We don't have to assassinate Gill's character because he's a bad coach. We're better than using hearsay and bad results to throw a coach under the bus. His coaching skills give plenty of material anyway.
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As a Miami and LU fan, I follow both programs. Regarding coaches using salty or profane language, just before the ND vs. Miami game, a Notre Dame assistant coach was so juiced, he dropped the "f" bomb appealing to his players to crush the Canes. It was on Twitter for a time. I saw the link but did not watch the video. Coaches, even from a perceived preeminent school as Notre Dame, can use poor judgment and let the intensity of the moment overpower their personal control using profane and inappropriate lanuage. I've never heard of any of that from Gill or his staff.
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Maybe it's just me but it doesn't feel genuine. Needless to say idc. I just want what's best for the team and that isn't HCTG.
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Coaches who fit the Liberty U. profile.....

Scott Frost- UCF
Mike MacIntyre- Colorado
Stefan Lefors- CAL (Christian Academy of Louisville H.S.)
Tommy Bowden
Tony Dungy
John Grass- HC Jack St.
Brandon Streeter- Clemson
Brent Venables- Clemson
Joe Moorhead- Penn St.
Greg Schiano- Ohio St.
Brock Spack- HC Illinois St.
Lovie Smith- HC Illinois
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Scott Frost's OC Troy Walters is a more likely candidate than Frost who will likely be introduced shortly as head coach of his alma mater.

As for Coach Gill, his coaching record is fair game. His loyalty to his staff is fair game. Attacks on his character are not IMHO. By all accounts he is a good man who loves the university and what it stands for missionally across the board.

As reported on ASOR, the players went home for Chgristmas break without a team meeting. You can read into that all you want. Frankly I don't think it indicates much of anything under the circumstances. Ian could be interviewing replacement candidates right now with our without a news conference. I feel confident that the decision has been made one way or the other.
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Regardless, I believe LU will have to pay big bucks to get the type of coach they want. They will pay over market value in my opinion.
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Seems at this point in the game, the move would have been made already. Looks like Coach Gill is here to stay for another year.
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(11-20-2017 11:33 PM)Have_a_Gansett_2011 Wrote:  Seems at this point in the game, the move would have been made already. Looks like Coach Gill is here to stay for another year.

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2018 is expected to be a difficult year. Why not get the coach of the future started now? Start building now, don't hold on to a slightly above average FCS coach.

The coaching change could still happen. I think all the potential coaches still have more game(s) to play.
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The fact that we haven't had an announcement does not push things in one direction or the other. If Coach Gill is being reassigned as I anticipate whenever his time is up, there is no need for a news conference until some things are lined up. If he is staying, I doubt they would want to announce it with JLFJR in Florida watching Byron's championship this past weekend before the players left for the holidays. I suspect the fate of Coach Gill and his staff will be crystal clear by next week. In the meantime, there is likely tons of action happening behind the scenes whichever decision has been made. And yes, a decision has most certainly been made.
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With Thanksgiving coming up, LU may want to wait until afterwards to fire Gill. And/Or, Liberty's target coach(s) are still coaching and won't be available to interview until after the regular season.
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What is good enough? Now that we have a 12 game Independent schedule.
Must a coach win a minimum of 8 games a year to retain his job? 10 games? 7 games? Win 75% of bowl games played?
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