(06-18-2017 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Yes, the exit fee for AAC schools is $10M. I think it's 27-month notice.

I don't think that's certain. It's very unlikely that they're still operating under the old hybrid bylaws. They've probably started from scratch.

We can conjecture that they'd have kept or raised or lowered the $10M. The 27 months have proven unenforceable, so that's probably been revised.

(06-18-2017 11:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Yes, the exit fee for AAC schools is $10M. I think it's 27-month notice.

I don't think that's certain. It's very unlikely that they're still operating under the old hybrid bylaws. They've probably started from scratch.

Nope. That was the fee and stated notice for Louisville and Rutgers who were charter American members.

That was the fee and notice period all the articles wrote about last summer when the Big 12 was considering American Conference schools.

(06-18-2017 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 06:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I agree it will not be known until the new AAC TV contract. I think alot depends on does WSU and others help with Basketball Credits.

If the AAC contiues with it's current NCAA BBall success and the Contract is a bust, then UConn to the Big East may make sense. If a decision occurs, it will probably be right after the 2018 season.

Is that 24 month and $10 mil exit fee still in effect?

Yes, the exit fee for AAC schools is $10M. I think it's 27-month notice.

As for basketball credits, the power conferences earn about $20-30M a year in tournament revenue annually, while conferences like the A10 and MWC earn $6-8M a year.

On a per school basis that's $1-2M per year difference. It's a much smaller revenue gap than postseason football, or conference TV contracts.

With Wichita in the fold, I'm hopeful the future difference between the Big East and American will be closer to $1M per year per school. Not enough to sway UConn by itself. And it would be offset by football postseason money UConn would lose by leaving the American for Independence or the MAC.

So I agree it will hinge on the next AAC TV deal.

If it equals or exceeds the Big East Fox deal on a per school basis, there would be little reason for UConn to abandon its football program and fork over $10M to leave. Especially with all the GORs expiring in the mid 2020s and future realignment a possibility.

If the next AAC TV deal trails the current Big East Fox deal by $1-2M a year, and there's also a $1M+ postseason revenue gap (after netting the football loss from the basketball gain), then the $10M exit fee becomes more palatable.

Seeing as how ESPN might not want to lose UConn to Fox, I suspect the next American deal will be sweet enough to keep UConn in the American. Especially since the American's football TV ratings draw enough eyeballs to warrant a significant raise (even before the addition of Navy's home inventory).

The odds of UConn ending up in a P5 are astronomically low. The Pac, SEC, and Big XII are non-starters because of geography. The B1G is a non-starter because A) the dynamics that got RU in the league (PSU leverage, recruiting, and a vague sense of history) aren't present for UConn, B) B1G schools that fight bad demographics by steeping themselves in a sense of history, like Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State, aren't going to want to play conference games against a 15 year old program (FBS) that plays games on a stadium that's 30 minutes from campus and built on a landfill, and C) I think that many of the B1G west schools feel that the conference is already too eastern. And lastly, the ACC is a non-starter because BC, SU, FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, and ND (as a full member) would never support UConn for varying reasons. Holding out for that invite is a mistake.

Additionally, I fail to see how the AAC materially improves UConns chances vis-a-vis going Indy. Is a schedule of 5 P5 games + fcs + Army + UMass + BYU + Liberty/NM + 2 g5 games really worse than the current AAC schedule? I doubt it. Would the TV rights make a ton of money? Probably not, but the AAC currently makes ~$1.4 mm on football. I have a hard time seeing UConn's Indy schedule not being worth at least that much. And, it would be far more flexible, which would make going to a bowl much easier.

And basketball would be way better in the BE. I assume that UConn BB fans and SU BB fans are very similar on account of similar geography, stature, and shared history, and I have yet to meet a SU fan would be even close to excited about an AAC schedule as they would be about a BE schedule. And that doesn't even take the BE payout, conference tourney, NCAA credits (whoever calculated these earlier didn't factor in UConn switching), recruiting, etc. into account. Frankly, I think that BE BB blows AAC BB away for UConn.

And all of the above becomes doubly true if UConn can get either WSU or Cincinnati to come along w/ them.

However, I don't think that UConn will jump ship in the immediate future. The fan base would see it as abandoning football and/or P5 hopes, which is unfortunate. UConn basketball is elite and deserves a decent home.

(06-18-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 06:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I agree it will not be known until the new AAC TV contract. I think alot depends on does WSU and others help with Basketball Credits.

If the AAC contiues with it's current NCAA BBall success and the Contract is a bust, then UConn to the Big East may make sense. If a decision occurs, it will probably be right after the 2018 season.

Is that 24 month and $10 mil exit fee still in effect?

Yes, the exit fee for AAC schools is $10M. I think it's 27-month notice.

As for basketball credits, the power conferences earn about $20-30M a year in tournament revenue annually, while conferences like the A10 and MWC earn $6-8M a year.

On a per school basis that's $1-2M per year difference. It's a much smaller revenue gap than postseason football, or conference TV contracts.

With Wichita in the fold, I'm hopeful the future difference between the Big East and American will be closer to $1M per year per school. Not enough to sway UConn by itself. And it would be offset by football postseason money UConn would lose by leaving the American for Independence or the MAC.

So I agree it will hinge on the next AAC TV deal.

If it equals or exceeds the Big East Fox deal on a per school basis, there would be little reason for UConn to abandon its football program and fork over $10M to leave. Especially with all the GORs expiring in the mid 2020s and future realignment a possibility.

If the next AAC TV deal trails the current Big East Fox deal by $1-2M a year, and there's also a $1M+ postseason revenue gap (after netting the football loss from the basketball gain), then the $10M exit fee becomes more palatable.

Seeing as how ESPN might not want to lose UConn to Fox, I suspect the next American deal will be sweet enough to keep UConn in the American. Especially since the American's football TV ratings draw enough eyeballs to warrant a significant raise (even before the addition of Navy's home inventory).

UConn basketball is elite and deserves a decent home.

UCONN already has a decent home.

(06-18-2017 01:31 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 11:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Yes, the exit fee for AAC schools is $10M. I think it's 27-month notice.

I don't think that's certain. It's very unlikely that they're still operating under the old hybrid bylaws. They've probably started from scratch.

Nope. That was the fee and stated notice for Louisville and Rutgers who were charter American members.

Louisville and Rutgers gave notice before the C7 split. I'm saying that I really really doubt that the American Athletic Conference is operating under the 2005 bylaws. They've had time to write new bylaws, and little reason to shout from the rooftops about it.

Quote:That was the fee and notice period all the articles wrote about last summer when the Big 12 was considering American Conference schools.

I didn't see any new quotes from ADs or presidents mentioning the $10M fee, but I wasn't paying close attention.

(06-18-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 06:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I agree it will not be known until the new AAC TV contract. I think alot depends on does WSU and others help with Basketball Credits.

If the AAC contiues with it's current NCAA BBall success and the Contract is a bust, then UConn to the Big East may make sense. If a decision occurs, it will probably be right after the 2018 season.

Is that 24 month and $10 mil exit fee still in effect?

Yes, the exit fee for AAC schools is $10M. I think it's 27-month notice.

As for basketball credits, the power conferences earn about $20-30M a year in tournament revenue annually, while conferences like the A10 and MWC earn $6-8M a year.

On a per school basis that's $1-2M per year difference. It's a much smaller revenue gap than postseason football, or conference TV contracts.

With Wichita in the fold, I'm hopeful the future difference between the Big East and American will be closer to $1M per year per school. Not enough to sway UConn by itself. And it would be offset by football postseason money UConn would lose by leaving the American for Independence or the MAC.

So I agree it will hinge on the next AAC TV deal.

If it equals or exceeds the Big East Fox deal on a per school basis, there would be little reason for UConn to abandon its football program and fork over $10M to leave. Especially with all the GORs expiring in the mid 2020s and future realignment a possibility.

If the next AAC TV deal trails the current Big East Fox deal by $1-2M a year, and there's also a $1M+ postseason revenue gap (after netting the football loss from the basketball gain), then the $10M exit fee becomes more palatable.

Seeing as how ESPN might not want to lose UConn to Fox, I suspect the next American deal will be sweet enough to keep UConn in the American. Especially since the American's football TV ratings draw enough eyeballs to warrant a significant raise (even before the addition of Navy's home inventory).

The odds of UConn ending up in a P5 are astronomically low. The Pac, SEC, and Big XII are non-starters because of geography. The B1G is a non-starter because A) the dynamics that got RU in the league (PSU leverage, recruiting, and a vague sense of history) aren't present for UConn, B) B1G schools that fight bad demographics by steeping themselves in a sense of history, like Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State, aren't going to want to play conference games against a 15 year old program (FBS) that plays games on a stadium that's 30 minutes from campus and built on a landfill, and C) I think that many of the B1G west schools feel that the conference is already too eastern. And lastly, the ACC is a non-starter because BC, SU, FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, and ND (as a full member) would never support UConn for varying reasons. Holding out for that invite is a mistake.

Additionally, I fail to see how the AAC materially improves UConns chances vis-a-vis going Indy. Is a schedule of 5 P5 games + fcs + Army + UMass + BYU + Liberty/NM + 2 g5 games really worse than the current AAC schedule? I doubt it. Would the TV rights make a ton of money? Probably not, but the AAC currently makes ~$1.4 mm on football. I have a hard time seeing UConn's Indy schedule not being worth at least that much. And, it would be far more flexible, which would make going to a bowl much easier.

And basketball would be way better in the BE. I assume that UConn BB fans and SU BB fans are very similar on account of similar geography, stature, and shared history, and I have yet to meet a SU fan would be even close to excited about an AAC schedule as they would be about a BE schedule. And that doesn't even take the BE payout, conference tourney, NCAA credits (whoever calculated these earlier didn't factor in UConn switching), recruiting, etc. into account. Frankly, I think that BE BB blows AAC BB away for UConn.

And all of the above becomes doubly true if UConn can get either WSU or Cincinnati to come along w/ them.

However, I don't think that UConn will jump ship in the immediate future. The fan base would see it as abandoning football and/or P5 hopes, which is unfortunate. UConn basketball is elite and deserves a decent home.

+1

Very well written and informative post. 100% agree that nothing happens in the immediate future. It will be interesting to see how things unfold in the next couple of years, as UConn's success in football and men's basketball will absolutely affect what route the school would plan on taking. If Edsall can't get UConn back to being competitive and respectable, and/or Ollie continues to under-perform (since winning the National Championship in 2014), then the support for a move back to the Big East only becomes stronger.

The other factor is, of course, the next AAC TV deal. If that isn't considerably more than what the BE's contract is, then such a move just makes sense.

IMHO, these three factors (in order) will determine whether UConn goes:
1.) Edsall's success with football program
2.) AAC's next TV deal (from ESPN or other)
3.) Ollie's ability to get UConn back to where it was just a few years ago

(06-18-2017 02:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 06:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I agree it will not be known until the new AAC TV contract. I think alot depends on does WSU and others help with Basketball Credits.

If the AAC contiues with it's current NCAA BBall success and the Contract is a bust, then UConn to the Big East may make sense. If a decision occurs, it will probably be right after the 2018 season.

Is that 24 month and $10 mil exit fee still in effect?

Yes, the exit fee for AAC schools is $10M. I think it's 27-month notice.

As for basketball credits, the power conferences earn about $20-30M a year in tournament revenue annually, while conferences like the A10 and MWC earn $6-8M a year.

On a per school basis that's $1-2M per year difference. It's a much smaller revenue gap than postseason football, or conference TV contracts.

With Wichita in the fold, I'm hopeful the future difference between the Big East and American will be closer to $1M per year per school. Not enough to sway UConn by itself. And it would be offset by football postseason money UConn would lose by leaving the American for Independence or the MAC.

So I agree it will hinge on the next AAC TV deal.

If it equals or exceeds the Big East Fox deal on a per school basis, there would be little reason for UConn to abandon its football program and fork over $10M to leave. Especially with all the GORs expiring in the mid 2020s and future realignment a possibility.

If the next AAC TV deal trails the current Big East Fox deal by $1-2M a year, and there's also a $1M+ postseason revenue gap (after netting the football loss from the basketball gain), then the $10M exit fee becomes more palatable.

Seeing as how ESPN might not want to lose UConn to Fox, I suspect the next American deal will be sweet enough to keep UConn in the American. Especially since the American's football TV ratings draw enough eyeballs to warrant a significant raise (even before the addition of Navy's home inventory).

UConn basketball is elite and deserves a decent home.

UCONN already has a decent home.

Not even close. The American is garbage and the media rates the league poorly in comparison with the NBE (and the stats pan that out). There are only about 4-5 programs in the conference and everyone else is either garbage or small time. In the NBE, all three of the new teams they brought in are good, Marquette is solid, and the five originals are the five originals.

Basically the exit rule is, tell us by March 2018 if you are leaving in the 2020-21 season

And to be honest that is the first year Independent football could work anyway.

Exit fees are usually paid by a combination of withheld distributions and installments. Most P5 prefer to pay lump sum, by the experience of the WAC was schools paid on 5 year installments. If UConn can get a $5M a year TV deal fro FB, then they can pay off the American in two years without going into negative cash flow. The third year they would be showing a profit over remaining. But the key is FOX or ESPN sponsoring their independent football.

UConn football had one good run, but has basically been an expensive failure that is screwing up UConn's alignment and putting at risk the only positive revenue sport they have. It's really up to Huskies football to have a strong run the next couple years and be in the conversation for a P5 spot. I don't think they have 5-7 years to screw around anymore. Football has to deliver the goods very soon, it is their last and only chance

(06-18-2017 02:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I didn't see any new quotes from ADs or presidents mentioning the $10M fee, but I wasn't paying close attention.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ealignment

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/uc...story.html

Case closed. 27 months and $10M. Which is a huge disincentive to all this UConn to the Big East talk.

For the Big East, UConn is like Notre Dame to the Big 10 years ago. There's always a spot open for them. No need to make any expensive, 100-year decision based on incomplete information. UConn can afford to wait.

(06-18-2017 03:26 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  UConn basketball is elite and deserves a decent home.

UCONN already has a decent home.

Not even close. The American is garbage.

That's overstating it. The American is a decent basketball league. Better than most.

Moreover, the schools not named UConn, Cincy, Memphis and Temple care about basketball now.

SMU built a practice facility, renovated Moody and hired Larry Brown. Houston built a practice facility, hired Kelvin Sampson and is now renovating the basketball arena.

UCF is a program on the rise with Dawkins. Tulsa is never going to be a pushover under Frank Haith.

There are three weak links in USF, Tulane and ECU, but even those schools are trying. ECU built a nice practice facility. Tulane went out and hired Mike Dunleavy.

With Wichita State coming in, we'll have 9 teams competing for an NCAA bid next year.

(06-18-2017 03:26 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 06:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I agree it will not be known until the new AAC TV contract. I think alot depends on does WSU and others help with Basketball Credits.

If the AAC contiues with it's current NCAA BBall success and the Contract is a bust, then UConn to the Big East may make sense. If a decision occurs, it will probably be right after the 2018 season.

Is that 24 month and $10 mil exit fee still in effect?

Yes, the exit fee for AAC schools is $10M. I think it's 27-month notice.

As for basketball credits, the power conferences earn about $20-30M a year in tournament revenue annually, while conferences like the A10 and MWC earn $6-8M a year.

On a per school basis that's $1-2M per year difference. It's a much smaller revenue gap than postseason football, or conference TV contracts.

With Wichita in the fold, I'm hopeful the future difference between the Big East and American will be closer to $1M per year per school. Not enough to sway UConn by itself. And it would be offset by football postseason money UConn would lose by leaving the American for Independence or the MAC.

So I agree it will hinge on the next AAC TV deal.

If it equals or exceeds the Big East Fox deal on a per school basis, there would be little reason for UConn to abandon its football program and fork over $10M to leave. Especially with all the GORs expiring in the mid 2020s and future realignment a possibility.

If the next AAC TV deal trails the current Big East Fox deal by $1-2M a year, and there's also a $1M+ postseason revenue gap (after netting the football loss from the basketball gain), then the $10M exit fee becomes more palatable.

Seeing as how ESPN might not want to lose UConn to Fox, I suspect the next American deal will be sweet enough to keep UConn in the American. Especially since the American's football TV ratings draw enough eyeballs to warrant a significant raise (even before the addition of Navy's home inventory).

UConn basketball is elite and deserves a decent home.

UCONN already has a decent home.

Not even close. The American is garbage and the media rates the league poorly in comparison with the NBE (and the stats pan that out). There are only about 4-5 programs in the conference and everyone else is either garbage or small time. In the NBE, all three of the new teams they brought in are good, Marquette is solid, and the five originals are the five originals.

That's quite an amusing tale you've just told. Please tell me more about how only 1 team in that conference has made it past the S16. That's of course assuming those mediocre schools even make it that far. What I said was true. The fact you had to make up your own facts to support your flimsy argument backs me up on that.

(06-18-2017 09:07 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 03:26 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 01:35 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Yes, the exit fee for AAC schools is $10M. I think it's 27-month notice.

As for basketball credits, the power conferences earn about $20-30M a year in tournament revenue annually, while conferences like the A10 and MWC earn $6-8M a year.

On a per school basis that's $1-2M per year difference. It's a much smaller revenue gap than postseason football, or conference TV contracts.

With Wichita in the fold, I'm hopeful the future difference between the Big East and American will be closer to $1M per year per school. Not enough to sway UConn by itself. And it would be offset by football postseason money UConn would lose by leaving the American for Independence or the MAC.

So I agree it will hinge on the next AAC TV deal.

If it equals or exceeds the Big East Fox deal on a per school basis, there would be little reason for UConn to abandon its football program and fork over $10M to leave. Especially with all the GORs expiring in the mid 2020s and future realignment a possibility.

If the next AAC TV deal trails the current Big East Fox deal by $1-2M a year, and there's also a $1M+ postseason revenue gap (after netting the football loss from the basketball gain), then the $10M exit fee becomes more palatable.

Seeing as how ESPN might not want to lose UConn to Fox, I suspect the next American deal will be sweet enough to keep UConn in the American. Especially since the American's football TV ratings draw enough eyeballs to warrant a significant raise (even before the addition of Navy's home inventory).

UConn basketball is elite and deserves a decent home.

UCONN already has a decent home.

Not even close. The American is garbage and the media rates the league poorly in comparison with the NBE (and the stats pan that out). There are only about 4-5 programs in the conference and everyone else is either garbage or small time. In the NBE, all three of the new teams they brought in are good, Marquette is solid, and the five originals are the five originals.

That's quite an amusing tale you've just told. Please tell me more about how only 1 team in that conference has made it past the S16. That's of course assuming those mediocre schools even make it that far. What I said was true. The fact you had to make up your own facts to support your flimsy argument backs me up on that.

Once you get in the tournament and seeded, your conference doesn't matter anymore. Just because Nova or the rest of them crap the bed in the tournament doesn't change the fact that they get better seeds and better rankings than teams in the AAC. The point is that we would get an artificial bump in the rankings and when tourney time comes for seeding, something we don't get in the AAC. So what if they crapped the bed in the tourney? The fact is that they got 7 in and the AAC got 2. The New Big East gives you a better chance to be relevant during the regular season which gives you a better chance at a better seed. What you do with that seed is up to you.

(06-18-2017 09:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Once you get in the tournament and seeded, your conference doesn't matter anymore.

LOL.

(06-18-2017 09:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  The fact is that they got 7 in and the AAC got 2.

Small sample size. Let's double it, and go back two years instead of one. Now the difference is 12 bids to 6.

Or 12 to 8 if you count Wichita St.

No one is arguing that the American will be better than the Big East with Wichita. But you said it was "garbage." That's what I am responding to. It's not.

The question is whether the difference is worth abandoning football, other realignment hopes and paying $10M to move for? The answer is "we'll see after the next American TV deal and the next realignment moves." The Big East will always be there for UConn. You're lucky. But there is no rush to pull that trigger now.

(06-19-2017 07:53 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Once you get in the tournament and seeded, your conference doesn't matter anymore.

LOL.

(06-18-2017 09:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  The fact is that they got 7 in and the AAC got 2.

Small sample size. Let's double it, and go back two years instead of one. Now the difference is 12 bids to 6.

Or 12 to 8 if you count Wichita St.

No one is arguing that the American will be better than the Big East with Wichita. But you said it was "garbage." That's what I am responding to. It's not.

The question is whether the difference is worth abandoning football, other realignment hopes and paying $10M to move for? The answer is "we'll see after the next American TV deal and the next realignment moves." The Big East will always be there for UConn. You're lucky. But there is no rush to pull that trigger now.

I have come to the conclusion that the illogical hate Big East and ACC fans have towards the AAC is actually fear.

The SWAC is garbage as basketball. The AAC should be a top 7 conference every year going forward.

If the BE added UC and UConn, you'd have this:

UConn = UConn
Cincinnati = Cincinnati
Villanova > WSU
Georgetown > Memphis
Marquette > Temple
Butler/Creighton > Houston/SMU

Seton Hall > Tulsa

St. John's > UCF
DePaul = USF, Tulane, ECU

Ignore tourney credits, and look at the names/brands. Also, look at this from UConn's perspective of being in the BIG EAST for +30 years and being in the NE. I don't think it's close.

(06-18-2017 05:49 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I didn't see any new quotes from ADs or presidents mentioning the $10M fee, but I wasn't paying close attention.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ealignment

Case closed. 27 months and $10M. Which is a huge disincentive to all this UConn to the Big East talk.

Thanks for the citation.

I'm not surprised they kept the $10M number (any AAC school would gladly pay it to get into a P5, and there's no votes for moving the number up). I'm a little surprised they kept the 27 months rather than some sort of a system that strongly encouraged 12 months notice. But I guess that only REALLY matters if you're playing a round-robin and so you have to fill 8-9 games on short notice.

(06-19-2017 11:54 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 05:49 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I didn't see any new quotes from ADs or presidents mentioning the $10M fee, but I wasn't paying close attention.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ealignment

Case closed. 27 months and $10M. Which is a huge disincentive to all this UConn to the Big East talk.

Thanks for the citation.

I'm not surprised they kept the $10M number (any AAC school would gladly pay it to get into a P5, and there's no votes for moving the number up). I'm a little surprised they kept the 27 months rather than some sort of a system that strongly encouraged 12 months notice. But I guess that only REALLY matters if you're playing a round-robin and so you have to fill 8-9 games on short notice.

You think the remaining schools may want the 27 month notice eventually to be modified. That is effectively 3 seasons to remain a lame duck. I understand, there was alot of payout from the BE and P5 Defectors. You have to wonder if they may revisit after those payouts are set to expire.

(06-19-2017 12:12 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:54 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 05:49 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 02:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I didn't see any new quotes from ADs or presidents mentioning the $10M fee, but I wasn't paying close attention.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ealignment

Case closed. 27 months and $10M. Which is a huge disincentive to all this UConn to the Big East talk.

Thanks for the citation.

I'm not surprised they kept the $10M number (any AAC school would gladly pay it to get into a P5, and there's no votes for moving the number up). I'm a little surprised they kept the 27 months rather than some sort of a system that strongly encouraged 12 months notice. But I guess that only REALLY matters if you're playing a round-robin and so you have to fill 8-9 games on short notice.

You think the remaining schools may want the 27 month notice eventually to be modified. That is effectively 3 seasons to remain a lame duck. I understand, there was a lot of payout from the BE and P5 Defectors. You have to wonder if they may revisit after those payouts are set to expire.

I assume they keep the 27 months as leverage. It lets you negotiate a higher exit penalty for schools that get a P5 invite and want to start ASAP. If Tulsa wanted to leave for the Sunbelt, they would probably waive it.

No the AAC has enforced it to the letter and it has held. For a P5 move it's trivial.

Most pay the penalty and just leave. West Virginia (they fought and lost), Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville all paid the exit fees, as effectively the C7 did in their negotiated settlement, and also Notre Dame (13 schools in all)). It is pretty much set in stone and solid. It is the only exit fee that has held up in court, because it is specific and uniformly enforced.

What can be negotiated is the payment period. You can pay lump sum gangsta style or over a period of a few years (this is common on exit fees to spread them out over 5 years; I can think of a few examples that have done that recently). $10M is only a two year $5M TV deal for UConn FB. If an initial portion is paid up front (usually by an agreed withholding of distributions) and then the rest spread over say 3 to 5 years, UConn would actually see an increase in revenue within a couple years, and no big down. Obviously they can go gangsta and throw $10M down and then let the cahs flow catch up, borrowing form the University and then paying back over a couple years.

Bottom line, if there is a better place to go, you pay your fee and get out.

For UConn the question is, does football have any real hope of pulling the Huskies into a power conference, or is their best bet to admit they wont, and move Olympics out of a mid-major and into a major, and hope a BYU like schedule for football is not much worse than the American.

UConn football is under a microscope and has to produce now. There is no "give us another 5 or 10 years"

(06-19-2017 12:59 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  No the AAC has enforced it to the letter and it has held. For a P5 move it's trivial.

Nope. Nobody waited 27 months.* Pitt and Syracuse stayed one year by mutual agreement until their replacements from CUSA showed up. Louisville and Rutgers did the same. (I forget if Notre Dame played a lame duck year). And of course West Virginia took a dump on the bylaws and walked away, agreeing basically that the Big East could keep their 2011-12 revenue distribution.

* Louisville fans, no one takes your thing about oral notice in 2011 seriously. You paid your money, you played the same lame duck year as Pitt, Cuse and Rutgers, no hard feelings at all. But don't start with the oral-notice-in-fall-2011. IF there were anything to that, you'd have paid less than Rutgers.

Quote:Most pay the penalty and just leave. West Virginia (they fought and lost),

No, the Big East's injunction was denied/rejected. West Virginia won the most important thing, the ability to leave NOW. The 27-month notice provision is a dead letter.