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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
There is no plausible scenario. Conferences aren't going to take teams just to go to 16.

If they are really going to work together, the SEC would be the conference split up-to provide some balance.
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(06-14-2017 12:16 PM)otown Wrote:  SEC is not gonna take OkSU and WVU.

Nope. ECU and Virginia Tech to the SEC East. (Mizzou moves to the SEC West) Beast of a division.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
Thanks for all the responses! Some very valid points have been raised.

One other reason why the ACC might opt for UConn over Cincinnati is $$$. In terms of athletic revenue for 2015-16, UConn raked in far more than Cincy (79M vs. 43M).

Suppose we take the original scenario and swap Oklahoma and Missouri? Along with its three little buddies, Texas still goes to the Pac, which will be friendlier toward some variation of the Longhorn Network than either the Big Ten or SEC. Missouri sticks with the SEC, while the Big Ten scores by adding the Sooners. Oklahoma State is far from a terrible consolation prize and gets the SEC into OK. Is all this any more plausible?
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
IF the conferences keep expanding I think it would be a 4x18

ACC North
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Navy*
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Notre Dame
Miami

ACC South
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
NC State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State

BIG TEN EAST
UConn
Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue

BIG TEN WEST
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Iowa State
Missouri
Nebraska
Kansas

SEC EAST
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
East Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
UCF
Auburn

SEC WEST
Alabama
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Arkansas
Texas A&M
TCU
Oklahoma
Kanas State

PAC-18 WEST
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Cal
Stanford
UCLA
USC
UNLV

PAC-18 EAST
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Texas
Houston
Rice

Schools Left Out:
South Florida (This could be UCF as well, I think the SEC takes one more Florida school, ACC could as well)
Tulane
Tulsa
Baylor
BYU
Boise State
Memphis
SMU
Temple

I could see these teams joining a new Big 12 and still be part of the rest of the conferences with Army and Air Force included as well.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
What if the 4 conferences of 16 looked similar to the NFL for football but retain regionalism for everything else? Presume the current power schools (65 - Baylor) are kept. It could be interesting!

American
Pacific: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Southeastern: Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas St
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College
Northern: Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin

National
Pacific: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
Southeastern: Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Atlantic: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest
Northern: Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas

United
Pacific: Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, TCU
Southeastern: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Atlantic: Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Louisville
Northern: Indiana, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Federal
Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
Southeastern: Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Atlantic: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Northern: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Illinois

For basketball, the Pacific pod schools would play under the PAC, the Southeastern pod schools would play under the SEC, the Atlantic pod schools would play under the ACC, and the Northern pod schools would play under the B1G.

Obviously just a rough draft. With a 3-2-2-2 conference schedule, you would play everyone every 4 years. Then rotate pods every 4 years. Use non-conference games to play rivals like Illinois-Northwestern or Virginia-North Carolina.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
(06-23-2017 10:05 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  What if the 4 conferences of 16 looked similar to the NFL for football but retain regionalism for everything else? Presume the current power schools (65 - Baylor) are kept. It could be interesting!

American
Pacific: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Southeastern: Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas St
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College
Northern: Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin

National
Pacific: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
Southeastern: Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Atlantic: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest
Northern: Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas

United
Pacific: Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, TCU
Southeastern: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Atlantic: Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Louisville
Northern: Indiana, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Federal
Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
Southeastern: Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Atlantic: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Northern: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Illinois

For basketball, the Pacific pod schools would play under the PAC, the Southeastern pod schools would play under the SEC, the Atlantic pod schools would play under the ACC, and the Northern pod schools would play under the B1G.

Obviously just a rough draft. With a 3-2-2-2 conference schedule, you would play everyone every 4 years. Then rotate pods every 4 years. Use non-conference games to play rivals like Illinois-Northwestern or Virginia-North Carolina.

Umm. The American Athletic Conference might have something to say about the names
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(06-23-2017 10:25 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 10:05 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  What if the 4 conferences of 16 looked similar to the NFL for football but retain regionalism for everything else? Presume the current power schools (65 - Baylor) are kept. It could be interesting!

American
Pacific: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Southeastern: Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas St
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College
Northern: Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin

National
Pacific: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
Southeastern: Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Atlantic: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest
Northern: Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas

United
Pacific: Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, TCU
Southeastern: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Atlantic: Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Louisville
Northern: Indiana, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Federal
Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
Southeastern: Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Atlantic: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Northern: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Illinois

For basketball, the Pacific pod schools would play under the PAC, the Southeastern pod schools would play under the SEC, the Atlantic pod schools would play under the ACC, and the Northern pod schools would play under the B1G.

Obviously just a rough draft. With a 3-2-2-2 conference schedule, you would play everyone every 4 years. Then rotate pods every 4 years. Use non-conference games to play rivals like Illinois-Northwestern or Virginia-North Carolina.

Umm. The American Athletic Conference might have something to say about the names

Lol just a mock-up...
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
(06-23-2017 10:25 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 10:05 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  What if the 4 conferences of 16 looked similar to the NFL for football but retain regionalism for everything else? Presume the current power schools (65 - Baylor) are kept. It could be interesting!

American
Pacific: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Southeastern: Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas St
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College
Northern: Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin

National
Pacific: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
Southeastern: Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Atlantic: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest
Northern: Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas

United
Pacific: Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, TCU
Southeastern: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Atlantic: Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Louisville
Northern: Indiana, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Federal
Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
Southeastern: Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Atlantic: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson
Northern: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Illinois

For basketball, the Pacific pod schools would play under the PAC, the Southeastern pod schools would play under the SEC, the Atlantic pod schools would play under the ACC, and the Northern pod schools would play under the B1G.

Obviously just a rough draft. With a 3-2-2-2 conference schedule, you would play everyone every 4 years. Then rotate pods every 4 years. Use non-conference games to play rivals like Illinois-Northwestern or Virginia-North Carolina.

Umm. The American Athletic Conference might have something to say about the names

Are you kidding me - The American would finally be a Power Conference!
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
Another scenario to get to 4 power conferences

The PAC, Big12, ACC look at the tv dollars and realize they are falling behind the SEC and BigTen. members of PAC, Big12, ACC and ND meet secretly and decide to cut the fat and form 2 new power conferences.

West Super Conference -14 teams

USC, UCLA, Cal, Stan, Ore, Wash, Ariz, Ariz St
Tex, Ok, Col, Utah, Kan, Iowa St

East Super conference -14 teams

Flor St, Clem, UNC, NCSU, Duke, Va, VT
ND, Lou, Pitt, Cuse, WV, GT, TCU
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
Plausible 4x16:

There isn't one.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
OK, same scenario as in the OP, but with a few changes. Here, instead of the SEC, Oklahoma has opted for the Big Ten and its better academic pedigree. Missouri stays put. The SEC still gets a foot in the door in OK by tapping OSU, which despite being the lesser Oklahoma school is no mere consolation prize. And despite UConn's substantially greater athletic revenue, the ACC hands its final rose to Cincinnati, which offers a better balance between football and basketball.

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NEW MAP!

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ACC
East: Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
South: Florida State, Miami, NC State, Wake Forest
West: Cincinnati, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville

Protected crossovers: Duke/Wake Forest, NC State/North Carolina

Big Ten
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North: Illinois, Iowa, Northwestern, Wisconsin
South: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Protected crossovers: Michigan/Ohio State, Minnesota/Wisconsin

Pac-16
East: Houston, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

Protected crossovers: none

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, West Virginia
North: Arkansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma State
South: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

Protected crossovers: Auburn/Georgia, Kentucky/Tennessee

Annual interconference matchups
Clemson/South Carolina
Florida/Florida State
Georgia/Georgia Tech
Kentucky/Louisville
Notre Dame/USC
Oklahoma/Oklahoma State (Is the Red River Rivalry dead?)

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What do you think? More plausible than the OP?
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
The problem is this, some conference leaders do see several G5 schools could be part of the P5 or P4. Need to find a way to get schools like BYU, Houston, Memphis, Boise State, East Carolina and some others.
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(06-23-2017 06:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem is this, some conference leaders do see several G5 schools could be part of the P5 or P4. Need to find a way to get schools like BYU, Houston, Memphis, Boise State, East Carolina and some others.

Yep.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
Same scenario as in the OP except the ACC adds Navy instead of UConn in order to accommodate new full member Notre Dame.

Any takes on how realistic this scenario is?

ACC
East: Duke, NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
West: Louisville, Navy, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Protected crossovers: Navy/Notre Dame, North Carolina/Virginia

Big Ten
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North: Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
South: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska

Protected crossovers: Illinois/Northwestern, Michigan/Ohio State

Pac-16
East: Houston, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

Protected crossovers: none

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

Protected crossovers: Alabama/Tennessee, Auburn/Georgia

The 3 remaining Big 12 members keep the conference name and absorb 9 of the 10 remaining AAC schools to make 12. UConn goes independent in football and moves its non-football sports back to the Big East.

Big 12
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Memphis, South Florida, Temple
West: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa

The other G# conferences are not directly affected by the realignment.
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(07-18-2017 09:19 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Same scenario as in the OP except the ACC adds Navy instead of UConn in order to accommodate new full member Notre Dame.

Any takes on how realistic this is

Big Ten
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North: Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
South: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska

Protected crossovers: Illinois/Northwestern, Michigan/Ohio State

If the big ten adds Ok and Kansas, I believe they would just go with simple east-west divisions. These pods are not ideal exactly because Minn, Wisc and Iowa want to be together. Ilinois and NW want to be together. Ohio State and Mich want to be together in same division.

If you just go with east-west divisions, no need for permanent cross-overs. Play 2 cross-overs a year. West teams can rotate playing PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU just 1 per year. East teams can rotate Ok, Neb, Iowa, Wisc just 1 per year.
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(07-18-2017 09:34 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 09:19 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Same scenario as in the OP except the ACC adds Navy instead of UConn in order to accommodate new full member Notre Dame.

Any takes on how realistic this is

Big Ten
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North: Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
South: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska

Protected crossovers: Illinois/Northwestern, Michigan/Ohio State

If the big ten adds Ok and Kansas, I believe they would just go with simple east-west divisions. These pods are not ideal exactly because Minn, Wisc and Iowa want to be together. Ilinois and NW want to be together. Ohio State and Mich want to be together in same division.

If you just go with east-west divisions, no need for permanent cross-overs. Play 2 cross-overs a year. West teams can rotate playing PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU just 1 per year. East teams can rotate Ok, Neb, Iowa, Wisc just 1 per year.

Illinois/NW and Michigan/OSU are protected. Since the pods rotate between divisions, each pair will be in the same division half the time and have a protected crossover the other half of the time. And Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa are in the same pod and so will always be in the same division and play each other every year.

Two 8-team divisions are rather unwieldy. With a 9-game conference schedule (and no protected crossovers), it would require 4 years to play all teams in the conference and 8 years for home-and-homes with all teams. Using pods means all teams except those with crossovers* can play within 2 years (or twice in 4 years) and play home-and-homes with all teams within 4 years.

* Teams with protected crossovers may require 3 years to play all teams in the conference.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
What about a 4x18?
BIG
EAST
UConn
Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan
Indiana
Purdue

WEST
Northwestern
Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Iowa
Missouri
Nebraska
Kansas

ACC
NORTH
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Navy
Cincinnati
Louisville
Notre Dame
Virginia Tech
Virginia

SOUTH
North Carolina
Duke
NC State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
UCF
Miami

SEC
EAST
Kentucky
West Virginia
East Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
South Florida
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Auburn

WEST
Alabama
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma

PAC-18
WEST
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Cal
Stanford
UCLA
USC
UNLV

WEST
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Texas
Houston
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(07-18-2017 09:50 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What about a 4x18?

I like it! However, not so plausible.
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The question is what if the ACC Network failed to get launched? Big 10 and SEC will work together to pick apart the ACC. If all four conferences left decides to tear apart other conferences to get the best product to get to 4 24 pc0nferences? ACC left overs would be Syracuse, Miami, Boston College, Duke and Wake Forest. MWC and AAC would get picked apart, the MAC would lose a team or two. SBC and C-USA would get raided as well. 96 spots at the table. Depends who gets picked and who does not get picked. This would give the three military academies be part of the P4 structure. You could at least get 1 school from each state into the P4 without politics get involved for anti-trust being thrown about, and so forth. The P5 knows that states that don't have a school in the P5 would do what Utah politicians did and made threats of an anti-trust lawsuit against the P5 and the NCAA. They need to find a way to accept some schools from states not representative to the P5 structure.
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(07-18-2017 10:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The question is what if the ACC Network failed to get launched? Big 10 and SEC will work together to pick apart the ACC. If all four conferences left decides to tear apart other conferences to get the best product to get to 4 24 pc0nferences? ACC left overs would be Syracuse, Miami, Boston College, Duke and Wake Forest. MWC and AAC would get picked apart, the MAC would lose a team or two. SBC and C-USA would get raided as well. 96 spots at the table. Depends who gets picked and who does not get picked. This would give the three military academies be part of the P4 structure. You could at least get 1 school from each state into the P4 without politics get involved for anti-trust being thrown about, and so forth. The P5 knows that states that don't have a school in the P5 would do what Utah politicians did and made threats of an anti-trust lawsuit against the P5 and the NCAA. They need to find a way to accept some schools from states not representative to the P5 structure.

The ACC Network will launch in two years. I don't know if anything could realistically prevent that from happening. I suppose that after launch it could fail to generate enough money, which might cause both parties to back out.
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