Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

Personally, I wanted the PAC-16 with Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M. I don't think A&M wanted to go so then Kansas would take their place instead of Utah.
Big 12 is done for, with Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State heading to Big LEast.
MWC would have been an awesome conference with TCU, Utah, BYU and adding Boise State. They would gain P6 status replacing Big 12.

(09-14-2022 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

That would have been nice. Although it never would have happened, it would have been nice if they had capped conferences at 12 football teams.

Cool story, bro.

(09-14-2022 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80...ealignment

I don't mind the big east split, per se. I think the C7 likely needed to forge their own path.

That said, I don't think that the remains (the new AAC), handled things very well after the C7 left

Imagine if, like in history, ACC took BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech.

But the rest did not leave. And so they also didn't add: Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane, or Tulsa (geography/travel reasons).

But still added the rest that they did.

The new AAC would have looked like this:

Cincinnati
ECU
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF
WV

Navy (football)
ND (non-football)

11+ (1+1)

Looks like a pretty solid conference to me.

And when the B10 takes Rutgers (and Maryland), backfill with Memphis or Wake Forrest.

(09-14-2022 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

I remember seeing this on another thread somewhere on the forum, but I couldn't remember which one it was. Thank you for bringing this up again. I'm so glad someone did.

If the Big East adds UCF, then Memphis would be the next logical add. It would then come down to either Houston/SMU or Temple/ECU. Temple and ECU would make geographical sense, but if they wouldn't be much of an add if they were football only. My instincts tell me that Houston and SMU would be added as full members, as they would be stronger adds in both football and basketball.

I wonder what the conference lineups would look like with these adds. The ACC, Pac-12, and the SEC lineups would still be the same. Here's what I think the Big East, Big Ten and Big 12 lineups would look like, especially if the Big Ten went with geographical division names, instead of the Leaders and Legends monikers that they used, and if Texas and Oklahoma were put in separate divisions in the Big 12

Big East football conference

North Division
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
West Virginia

South Division
Houston
Louisville
Memphis
SMU
UCF
USF

Big Ten

East Division
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue

West Division
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin

Big 12

North Division
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

South Division
Baylor
BYU
Texas
Texas A&M
TCU
Texas Tech

I also wonder what the playoff would look like as well. I still think it debuts as an 8-team playoff with the BCS bowls acting as the quarterfinals. I'm not sure if the host city for the NC would want to host both semi-final games, as the logistics for that would be completely different in foot ball than in basketball. Maybe the Cotton Bowl and the Peach Bowl are added alongside the four BCS bowls. Then again maybe not.

Finally, per the comments on this thread about the C7, I still think they separate from the Big East football conference, and forge their own path. I also think Notre Dame joins them sense there's no need for them to join the ACC if the 6 BCS conferences stay at 12 teams. With Notre Dame attached to the C7, I think they add Dayton, Creighton, Saint Louis, and Xavier. Here's the lineup with those adds:

Big East basketball conference

Creighton
Dayton
DePaul
Georgetown
Marquette
Notre Dame
Providence
St. John's
St. Louis
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier

I'm of the opinion that the Big East should have a hardline on who they add, and just add catholic schools to preserve the identity of the conference.

(09-14-2022 08:09 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Personally, I wanted the PAC-16 with Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M. I don't think A&M wanted to go so then Kansas would take their place instead of Utah.
Big 12 is done for, with Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State heading to Big LEast.
MWC would have been an awesome conference with TCU, Utah, BYU and adding Boise State. They would gain P6 status replacing Big 12.

This is close to what I wanted. But you don't mention Missouri anywhere?

The Texahoma proposal would have created a 3rd conference equal to the SEC & Big 10.

Also the '05-'11 Big East was the only way that NYC would stay interested in college sports. The combination of Syracuse, Rutgers, and UConn with St Johns was essential.

The ACC was stronger and more cohesive with Maryland than with Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville. Those three just aren't like the rest of the conference, and they're too dispersed to gain any regional synergies in the ACC.

So the result would have been more nationwide interest then we've had in the past 10 years. NYC & the West Coast would have stayed interested in college football.



But I think Missouri & Kansas belong together. And Kansas fits in the Big East like a glove. So the Big East would have been perfect if it added Missouri, ISU, KSU, and Kansas.

I thought we weren't allowed to have these revisionist history or "What if...?" threads during the season. Anyhow, yeah, the Big East had to go apparently. Too many snipers took dead aim at it. It was sealed back in 03-04 with the loss of Miami/VaTech, but BC sealed it for me. Needed to keep that northeast monopoly.

(09-14-2022 09:27 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  Cool story, bro.

I get the distinct impression you’re being rude here

(09-14-2022 10:39 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80...ealignment

I don't mind the big east split, per se. I think the C7 likely needed to forge their own path.

That said, I don't think that the remains (the new AAC), handled things very well after the C7 left

Imagine if, like in history, ACC took BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech.

But the rest did not leave. And so they also didn't add: Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane, or Tulsa (geography/travel reasons).

But still added the rest that they did.

The new AAC would have looked like this:

Cincinnati
ECU
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF
WV

Navy (football)
ND (non-football)

11+ (1+1)

Looks like a pretty solid conference to me.

And when the B10 takes Rutgers (and Maryland), backfill with Memphis or Wake Forrest.

I don’t think a split between the football and basketball schools is necessary unless the football schools insisted on 4 more full memberships. The basketball schools generally liked being associated with programs like UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville who could hold their own in football as well as basketball. The Big East could have conceivably pulled off adding only UCF as the lone full member and gone with fb affiliates for the other 3. That would hardly rock the boat and jeopardize the relationship between the two factions.

(09-15-2022 10:36 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

I remember seeing this on another thread somewhere on the forum, but I couldn't remember which one it was. Thank you for bringing this up again. I'm so glad someone did.

If the Big East adds UCF, then Memphis would be the next logical add. It would then come down to either Houston/SMU or Temple/ECU. Temple and ECU would make geographical sense, but if they wouldn't be much of an add if they were football only. My instincts tell me that Houston and SMU would be added as full members, as they would be stronger adds in both football and basketball.

I wonder what the conference lineups would look like with these adds. The ACC, Pac-12, and the SEC lineups would still be the same. Here's what I think the Big East, Big Ten and Big 12 lineups would look like, especially if the Big Ten went with geographical division names, instead of the Leaders and Legends monikers that they used, and if Texas and Oklahoma were put in separate divisions in the Big 12

Big East

North Division
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
West Virginia

South Division
Houston
Louisville
Memphis
SMU
UCF
USF

Big Ten

East Division
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue

West Division
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin

Big 12

North Division
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

South Division
Baylor
BYU
Texas
Texas A&M
TCU
Texas Tech

I also wonder what the playoff would look like as well. I still think it debuts as an 8-team playoff with the BCS bowls acting as the quarterfinals. I'm not sure if the host city for the NC would want to host both semi-final games, as the logistics for that would be completely different in foot ball than in basketball. Maybe the Cotton Bowl and the Peach Bowl are added alongside the four BCS bowls. Then again maybe not.

Finally, per the comments on this thread about the C7, I still think they separate from the Big East football conference, and forge their own path. I also think Notre Dame joins them sense there's no need for them to join the ACC if the 6 BCS conferences stay at 12 teams. With Notre Dame attached to the C7, I think they add Dayton, Creighton, Saint Louis, and Xavier. Here's the lineup with those adds:

Big East basketball conference

Creighton
Dayton
DePaul
Georgetown
Marquette
Notre Dame
Providence
St. John's
St. Louis
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier

I'm of the opinion that the Big East should have a hardline on who they add, and just add catholic schools to preserve the identity of the conference.

The schools did not want the BE to be a Catholic school only conference. Unfortunately, there is a still an anti-Catholic bias in certain parts of the country and they thought an all-Catholic conference would not be viewed in a positive light by all. Hence, the reason for adding Butler. There was little or no interest in adding Dayton or SLU. Still isn't, by the way. Some schools were against VCU too. I would think Wichita State may have been the 12th in your scenario, maybe a Davidson would be considered too. I know Siena expressed interest. So did Denver. I don't think it was reciprocated.

Butler got added because they were a private school in an urban market with solid attendance and a pair or recent title game appearances. Not being an All Catholic league had nothing to do with it.

Had St. Louis or Dayton been to back to back titles instead, they’d be in the Big East instead of Butler.

(09-14-2022 10:39 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80...ealignment

I don't mind the big east split, per se. I think the C7 likely needed to forge their own path.

That said, I don't think that the remains (the new AAC), handled things very well after the C7 left

Imagine if, like in history, ACC took BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech.

But the rest did not leave. And so they also didn't add: Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane, or Tulsa (geography/travel reasons).

But still added the rest that they did.

The new AAC would have looked like this:

Cincinnati
ECU
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF
WV

Navy (football)
ND (non-football)

11+ (1+1)

Looks like a pretty solid conference to me.

And when the B10 takes Rutgers (and Maryland), backfill with Memphis or Wake Forrest.

As an NFC East fan, the Texas teams seem like a more natural fit for the Big East. I would have had Houston and SMU than ECU or Navy.

(09-15-2022 03:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 10:39 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80...ealignment

I don't mind the big east split, per se. I think the C7 likely needed to forge their own path.

That said, I don't think that the remains (the new AAC), handled things very well after the C7 left

Imagine if, like in history, ACC took BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech.

But the rest did not leave. And so they also didn't add: Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane, or Tulsa (geography/travel reasons).

But still added the rest that they did.

The new AAC would have looked like this:

Cincinnati
ECU
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF
WV

Navy (football)
ND (non-football)

11+ (1+1)

Looks like a pretty solid conference to me.

And when the B10 takes Rutgers (and Maryland), backfill with Memphis or Wake Forrest.

I don’t think a split between the football and basketball schools is necessary unless the football schools insisted on 4 more full memberships. The basketball schools generally liked being associated with programs like UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville who could hold their own in football as well as basketball. The Big East could have conceivably pulled off adding only UCF as the lone full member and gone with fb affiliates for the other 3. That would hardly rock the boat and jeopardize the relationship between the two factions.

I don't "know" anything for certain, but my impression during the lead up to the split, was there was some sort of "not getting along" behind the scenes.

So even if they had somehow kept some of that together, some sort of split was coming.

plus, the fact that football was taking the lead in media deals (and so non-football schools were seeming to feel marginalized, was apparently at issue as well.

(09-15-2022 04:45 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 10:39 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80...ealignment

I don't mind the big east split, per se. I think the C7 likely needed to forge their own path.

That said, I don't think that the remains (the new AAC), handled things very well after the C7 left

Imagine if, like in history, ACC took BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech.

But the rest did not leave. And so they also didn't add: Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane, or Tulsa (geography/travel reasons).

But still added the rest that they did.

The new AAC would have looked like this:

Cincinnati
ECU
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF
WV

Navy (football)
ND (non-football)

11+ (1+1)

Looks like a pretty solid conference to me.

And when the B10 takes Rutgers (and Maryland), backfill with Memphis or Wake Forrest.

As an NFC East fan, the Texas teams seem like a more natural fit for the Big East. I would have had Houston and SMU than ECU or Navy.

I understand the sentiment, but while this was going on, other things were happening.

If the b12 did not take WV, then they still needed to backfill. at the time, the feeling was that tcu took smu off the table. And if they were unable to invite any of the above from the be/aac, then I think houston might very well have been next.

I agree that ECU is the least likely for the above, but I tried to stay as close as possible to the schools which were historically picked by the BigEast. ECU replaced Rutgers. If you'd prefer to think they'd add Memphis (or some other school) instead, I could understand that, it's just that that's not what they did.

Quit trying to revive the Big East. It was great back when you could be a football independent but those days are gone. I knew it was destined to fail as a FB/BB hybrid.

(09-15-2022 11:58 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 08:09 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Personally, I wanted the PAC-16 with Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M. I don't think A&M wanted to go so then Kansas would take their place instead of Utah.
Big 12 is done for, with Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State heading to Big LEast.
MWC would have been an awesome conference with TCU, Utah, BYU and adding Boise State. They would gain P6 status replacing Big 12.

This is close to what I wanted. But you don't mention Missouri anywhere?

The Texahoma proposal would have created a 3rd conference equal to the SEC & Big 10.

Also the '05-'11 Big East was the only way that NYC would stay interested in college sports. The combination of Syracuse, Rutgers, and UConn with St Johns was essential.

The ACC was stronger and more cohesive with Maryland than with Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville. Those three just aren't like the rest of the conference, and they're too dispersed to gain any regional synergies in the ACC.

So the result would have been more nationwide interest then we've had in the past 10 years. NYC & the West Coast would have stayed interested in college football.



But I think Missouri & Kansas belong together. And Kansas fits in the Big East like a glove. So the Big East would have been perfect if it added Missouri, ISU, KSU, and Kansas.

I would want Mizzou and Kansas together too. I didn't mention them because I guess I had them going to SEC regardless since schools don't turn them down.

(09-15-2022 05:53 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-15-2022 04:45 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 10:39 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-14-2022 07:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Here’s what I wish happened in 2010-2011:

PAC 10 adds Colorado and Utah (12)
Big 10 adds Nebraska (12)
ACC (12) and SEC (12) do nothing
Big 12 adds TCU and BYU (12)
Big East is compelled to go to 12 for football as well. UCF is a no brainer but there’s a number of possibilities for the other 3 spots. To keep the Catholic 7 and ND happy I think there’s an impetus to look at fb only possibilities:

Boise St (fb only)
San Diego St (fb only)
Navy (fb only)
Temple (full or fb only)
Memphis (full)
ECU (full or fb only)
Houston (full)
SMU (full)

That’s 6 conferences of 12, for 72+ND. The 2014 season they debut an 8-team playoff featuring their 6 champs, plus the 2 highest rated at-large teams. The BCS bowls serve as quarterfinals NYE/NYD and a different city plays host to the the Semis and Title each year. Beating the NFL to expansion, there’d be more flexibility as to when to play the additional games.

Alternatively, you could just play the 4 BCS games and then do a +1 title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80...ealignment

I don't mind the big east split, per se. I think the C7 likely needed to forge their own path.

That said, I don't think that the remains (the new AAC), handled things very well after the C7 left

Imagine if, like in history, ACC took BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech.

But the rest did not leave. And so they also didn't add: Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane, or Tulsa (geography/travel reasons).

But still added the rest that they did.

The new AAC would have looked like this:

Cincinnati
ECU
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF
WV

Navy (football)
ND (non-football)

11+ (1+1)

Looks like a pretty solid conference to me.

And when the B10 takes Rutgers (and Maryland), backfill with Memphis or Wake Forrest.

As an NFC East fan, the Texas teams seem like a more natural fit for the Big East. I would have had Houston and SMU than ECU or Navy.

I understand the sentiment, but while this was going on, other things were happening.

If the b12 did not take WV, then they still needed to backfill. at the time, the feeling was that tcu took smu off the table. And if they were unable to invite any of the above from the be/aac, then I think houston might very well have been next.

I agree that ECU is the least likely for the above, but I tried to stay as close as possible to the schools which were historically picked by the BigEast. ECU replaced Rutgers. If you'd prefer to think they'd add Memphis (or some other school) instead, I could understand that, it's just that that's not what they did.

As big city schools I would have thought that Houston and SMU would have been a cultural fit for this version of the Big East.

Pittsburgh in the Big Ten instead of Nebraska.

Connecticut in the ACC. If Pittsburgh is in the Big Ten instead of the Big Ten, then Louisville can stay although I would have preferred Temple.