Hope Shamets surgery goes well as well as all other injured players in the conference back at full strength.

(07-31-2017 01:08 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 07:16 PM)Aargh Wrote:  Landry Shamet broke a bone in his foot at an All-Star camp in Philadelphia. He's expected to be able to play by mid-November. The Maui torunament (with Michigan and Notre Dame) is November 20-22. Could be a rough start to WSU's season.

Shamet Scheduled For Surgery Monday

I'm gonna admit that I have no earthly idea who this guy is.

Pretty much my reaction with all of the players in the AAC not on the WSU bench, and almost for the same reason. There was no reason to pay attention to the AAC (minus UCONN) once march rolled around, and once March rolls around there was no reason for the AAC (minus UCONN) to pay attention to basketball. So our ignorance of each other is largely forgivable.

(07-31-2017 02:24 PM)shock Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 01:08 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 07:16 PM)Aargh Wrote:  Landry Shamet broke a bone in his foot at an All-Star camp in Philadelphia. He's expected to be able to play by mid-November. The Maui torunament (with Michigan and Notre Dame) is November 20-22. Could be a rough start to WSU's season.

Shamet Scheduled For Surgery Monday

I'm gonna admit that I have no earthly idea who this guy is.

Pretty much my reaction with all of the players in the AAC not on the WSU bench, and almost for the same reason. There was no reason to pay attention to the AAC (minus UCONN) once march rolled around, and once March rolls around there was no reason for the AAC (minus UCONN) to pay attention to basketball. So our ignorance of each other is largely forgivable.

Wow, the MVC outlook has a huge hold on you all. Got to stop going to St. Louis for that kool aide. .

I am sure that Memphis and Cinci know nothing about post season basketball

Your program and Tulsa are on the same level.

SMU has been good lately and Houston seems up and coming under their new coach.

UCF is growing a program and has a first round nba pick on their team although still a project.

Two coaches have national championships in this league, several have final four experience, pretty sure all have ncaa experience minus ecu lebo and Tulane (who is just you know NBA level)

This league has never experienced a single bid season and usually has multiple teams in the NIT. The top 8 teams are solid year in year out historically. Some are consitant NCAA teams (Memphis, Cinci, Uconn), some are regulars (Tulsa, Temple, and now WSU). Toss in the up and coming/recent arrivals (SMU, and soon Houston, UCF). Include that WSU is transitioning into the first group, and houston has history of belonging there. This conference is so light years ahead of anything WSU has been a part of, including the valley when it was the mid major darling. You have to back to ancient history (60s) for wsu to be in this sort of a conference.

WSU does not make or break this conference, no team does, hell two teams dont as seen by memphis and uconn being down last year. This conference is respected in basketball, its potential is possibly limitless.

WSU having a good ooc and a top level season is in the potential limitless catagory. Which is why you were invited.
WSU struggling and having a promising season detoured or even disaterous from injuries is definitely a negative. But the reason you joined the AAC is that this conference is so respected. You can have a terrible ooc and come back strong during the conference season, lose in the conference tournament and still go dancing. You can also dominate the whole season, get upset early in the conference tournament and get a good seed still.

Now if you were in the mvc this would ruin the slim chances at a at large or multibid year.

In the AAC this is just bad luck and everyone hopes WSU holds the line and you get your guy back healthy.

Perspective man, perspective. As a coach and a point when I played you're right this is hard on a team. In the big picture of bids, seeds, and advancing for the conference its minor.

Basically welcome to the big boy club where what use to be season threatening one off incidents are now just pains in the ass. The loss of Shamet sucks, but all of WSU's goals are still achievable when it comes to final fours and championships. So are the conferences as a whole.

Landry Shamet seems to have most of the pundits declaring him as the pre-season PoY in the AAC - for those who don't know who he is. As a WSU fan, all that hype is "nice", but as others here have said, "Let's see him play in the AAC before we anoint him". Yeah, that's a pretty reasonable statement. Maybe he lit up Kentucky because Kentucky took him lightly.

I still think he'll be back and well above 50% for Maui. With Shamet at 80% and able to go 25 minutes or so, I think we can take Maui. Shamet getting hurt is bad news, but I'm not all "Gloom and doom" about it.

In an earlier comment I opined that if Frankamp ended up at PG, we're screwed. That would be "screwed" as in top-25 instead of top-10.

Some WSU posters are showing effects of too many MVC years. There was always a team in that league that lost to rpi 250 teams and absolutely stunk up the place in OOC. Then caught on fire during conference play and brought down teams hoping to at least be on the bubble. We even had a name for it - called it "getting Evansville'd".

Shamet's been through this before. He knows how to stay in shape. He knows when he can start shooting, when he can start strength and conditioning work, and when he can start running and jumping. He's expecting to be ready to go a week (or more) before Maui. It's a 12-16 week recovery. This was caught early, so he's expecting 14 and planning his rehab around that number.

Let's wait with all the drama until we see if there is any need for it. I might be concerned, but I sure as hell ain't worried. 2-1 in Maui even if Shamet is still in a boot is very doable.

(07-31-2017 03:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your program and Tulsa are on the same level.

I stopped reading after this. lol

(07-31-2017 03:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 02:24 PM)shock Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 01:08 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 07:16 PM)Aargh Wrote:  Landry Shamet broke a bone in his foot at an All-Star camp in Philadelphia. He's expected to be able to play by mid-November. The Maui torunament (with Michigan and Notre Dame) is November 20-22. Could be a rough start to WSU's season.

Shamet Scheduled For Surgery Monday

I'm gonna admit that I have no earthly idea who this guy is.

Pretty much my reaction with all of the players in the AAC not on the WSU bench, and almost for the same reason. There was no reason to pay attention to the AAC (minus UCONN) once march rolled around, and once March rolls around there was no reason for the AAC (minus UCONN) to pay attention to basketball. So our ignorance of each other is largely forgivable.

Wow, the MVC outlook has a huge hold on you all. Got to stop going to St. Louis for that kool aide. .

I am sure that Memphis and Cinci know nothing about post season basketball

Your program and Tulsa are on the same level.

SMU has been good lately and Houston seems up and coming under their new coach.

UCF is growing a program and has a first round nba pick on their team although still a project.

Two coaches have national championships in this league, several have final four experience, pretty sure all have ncaa experience minus ecu lebo and Tulane (who is just you know NBA level)

This league has never experienced a single bid season and usually has multiple teams in the NIT. The top 8 teams are solid year in year out historically. Some are consitant NCAA teams (Memphis, Cinci, Uconn), some are regulars (Tulsa, Temple, and now WSU). Toss in the up and coming/recent arrivals (SMU, and soon Houston, UCF). Include that WSU is transitioning into the first group, and houston has history of belonging there. This conference is so light years ahead of anything WSU has been a part of, including the valley when it was the mid major darling. You have to back to ancient history (60s) for wsu to be in this sort of a conference.

WSU does not make or break this conference, no team does, hell two teams dont as seen by memphis and uconn being down last year. This conference is respected in basketball, its potential is possibly limitless.

WSU having a good ooc and a top level season is in the potential limitless catagory. Which is why you were invited.
WSU struggling and having a promising season detoured or even disaterous from injuries is definitely a negative. But the reason you joined the AAC is that this conference is so respected. You can have a terrible ooc and come back strong during the conference season, lose in the conference tournament and still go dancing. You can also dominate the whole season, get upset early in the conference tournament and get a good seed still.

Now if you were in the mvc this would ruin the slim chances at a at large or multibid year.

In the AAC this is just bad luck and everyone hopes WSU holds the line and you get your guy back healthy.

Perspective man, perspective. As a coach and a point when I played you're right this is hard on a team. In the big picture of bids, seeds, and advancing for the conference its minor.

Basically welcome to the big boy club where what use to be season threatening one off incidents are now just pains in the ass. The loss of Shamet sucks, but all of WSU's goals are still achievable when it comes to final fours and championships. So are the conferences as a whole.

Good Lord Almighty. Feel good to get that off your chest?

(07-31-2017 03:29 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your program and Tulsa are on the same level.

I stopped reading after this. lol

At the moment, I completely agree that that line is ludicrous...but historically, not so much.

Tulsa has more NCAA appearances and conference championships than WSU while having nearly identical win and win percentage numbers (1402 vs. 1456 and 57.2% vs. 55.1% respectively). Tulsa in the 90's under Tubby Smith and Bill Self were very similar to WSU in the last decade or so under Marshall and Turgeon.

If you go back to the 1990 season (Relevant to most everyone now...same argument many make against the NC's that Cincinnati got before we were born), they have extremely similar NCAA Tournament performances:

Tulsa: 10 appearances, 7 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight
WSU: 7 appearances, 6 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Final Four

And Tulsa definitely beats WSU in wins and winning percentage during that time.

Tulsa: 564-342, .622 Win %
WSU: 516-367, .584 Win %

So while I completely agree than in the last 10 years or so WSU is light years ahead in terms of program strength...that gets MUCH more murky when you widen the scope of relevance even a hair.

(07-31-2017 03:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:29 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your program and Tulsa are on the same level.

I stopped reading after this. lol

At the moment, I completely agree that that line is ludicrous...but historically, not so much.

Tulsa has more NCAA appearances and conference championships than WSU while having nearly identical win and win percentage numbers (1402 vs. 1456 and 57.2% vs. 55.1% respectively). Tulsa in the 90's under Tubby Smith and Bill Self were very similar to WSU in the last decade or so under Marshall and Turgeon.

If you go back to the 1990 season (Relevant to most everyone now...same argument many make against the NC's that Cincinnati got before we were born), they have extremely similar NCAA Tournament performances:

Tulsa: 10 appearances, 7 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight
WSU: 7 appearances, 6 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Final Four

And Tulsa definitely beats WSU in wins and winning percentage during that time.

Tulsa: 564-342, .622 Win %
WSU: 516-367, .584 Win %

So while I completely agree than in the last 10 years or so WSU is light years ahead in terms of program strength...that gets MUCH more murky when you widen the scope of relevance even a hair.

TULSA COME BACK!!!

(07-30-2017 01:58 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  ECU's our only hope now.

Tulsa gets like 20 fans at their games. That's not a recipe for creating a great program. When we suck for a decade we still get 6k+ to our games. When we hit our downturn we will become a sleeping giant, Tulsa is just sleeping.

If the WSU and Tulsa basketball programs were remotely the same, a football-less WSU wouldn't have just been added to the AAC.

(07-31-2017 03:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:29 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your program and Tulsa are on the same level.

I stopped reading after this. lol

At the moment, I completely agree that that line is ludicrous...but historically, not so much.

Tulsa has more NCAA appearances and conference championships than WSU while having nearly identical win and win percentage numbers (1402 vs. 1456 and 57.2% vs. 55.1% respectively). Tulsa in the 90's under Tubby Smith and Bill Self were very similar to WSU in the last decade or so under Marshall and Turgeon.

If you go back to the 1990 season (Relevant to most everyone now...same argument many make against the NC's that Cincinnati got before we were born), they have extremely similar NCAA Tournament performances:

Tulsa: 10 appearances, 7 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight
WSU: 7 appearances, 6 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Final Four

And Tulsa definitely beats WSU in wins and winning percentage during that time.

Tulsa: 564-342, .622 Win %
WSU: 516-367, .584 Win %

So while I completely agree than in the last 10 years or so WSU is light years ahead in terms of program strength...that gets MUCH more murky when you widen the scope of relevance even a hair.

Sure, 1990's Tulsa was great. 1990's WSU was not. 2010's WSU is great, 2010's Tulsa is not. But they are on the same level because Tulsa used to be great. Lol

WSU could lose their starting 5 for the whole season and still be top half in the AAC. WSU is still a conference contender, even if LS never suits up.

But a conference championship won't even move the needle for the team. All it is for them is a means to an end. They are out for cutting nets in April.

(07-31-2017 03:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:29 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your program and Tulsa are on the same level.

I stopped reading after this. lol

At the moment, I completely agree that that line is ludicrous...but historically, not so much.

Tulsa has more NCAA appearances and conference championships than WSU while having nearly identical win and win percentage numbers (1402 vs. 1456 and 57.2% vs. 55.1% respectively). Tulsa in the 90's under Tubby Smith and Bill Self were very similar to WSU in the last decade or so under Marshall and Turgeon.

If you go back to the 1990 season (Relevant to most everyone now...same argument many make against the NC's that Cincinnati got before we were born), they have extremely similar NCAA Tournament performances:

Tulsa: 10 appearances, 7 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight
WSU: 7 appearances, 6 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Final Four

And Tulsa definitely beats WSU in wins and winning percentage during that time.

Tulsa: 564-342, .622 Win %
WSU: 516-367, .584 Win %

So while I completely agree than in the last 10 years or so WSU is light years ahead in terms of program strength...that gets MUCH more murky when you widen the scope of relevance even a hair.

Further reading will show that I stated wichita is moving into the first grouping with uconn, memphis, and cinci, but currently i.e. since 1990 (a roughly 25 year period reasonable to use to look at a program as opposed to a team i.e. tulsa's run in the late 1990s, wsu now, cinci in the 90s, uconn late 1990s/early 2000) you belong with us and temple. Good teams great potential as a program.

I would also remind you we had a shot at the buzzer are elite 8 year to go to the final four and lost to north carolina. Hmmm how did that scenario go for wsu, playing blue blood programs in unlikely scenarios in high stakes games? In fact our elite 8 season has a lot in common with yours.

Dont play the fool either when it comes to support, you know as well as I do the differences in school size, alumni, and standing private vs public/land grant. In the mid 2000s when we were in the midst of our problems we still had half our arena full and you all didnt like coming there then, much less when it was rocking at 8k capacity.

So yes you belong with us, for now, but you are in a position to move ahead. Sleep on Tulsa if you want but we've made you our ***** in every league we have shared and in virtually every sport, including basketball, football, and baseball. I don't see that changing and its not like we are standing still in the one sport you have a clear edge in right now. Last year was a crazy fluke for tulsa, we shall see where mighty wsu is in 4 years.

HAHAHA. Wichita's 2nd 5 would finish in the top half of the AAC? Do you guys honestly believe all this sh*t you type? Dear lord. You all beat one single NCAAT at large team the ENTIRE SEASON and that was in the tournament. Double digit losses > quality wins. You all probably think your student managers would be scholarship rotation players at other AAC schools.

(07-31-2017 04:04 PM)shock Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:29 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your program and Tulsa are on the same level.

I stopped reading after this. lol

At the moment, I completely agree that that line is ludicrous...but historically, not so much.

Tulsa has more NCAA appearances and conference championships than WSU while having nearly identical win and win percentage numbers (1402 vs. 1456 and 57.2% vs. 55.1% respectively). Tulsa in the 90's under Tubby Smith and Bill Self were very similar to WSU in the last decade or so under Marshall and Turgeon.

If you go back to the 1990 season (Relevant to most everyone now...same argument many make against the NC's that Cincinnati got before we were born), they have extremely similar NCAA Tournament performances:

Tulsa: 10 appearances, 7 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight
WSU: 7 appearances, 6 Round of 32, 3 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Final Four

And Tulsa definitely beats WSU in wins and winning percentage during that time.

Tulsa: 564-342, .622 Win %
WSU: 516-367, .584 Win %

So while I completely agree than in the last 10 years or so WSU is light years ahead in terms of program strength...that gets MUCH more murky when you widen the scope of relevance even a hair.

Sure, 1990's Tulsa was great. 1990's WSU was not. 2010's WSU is great, 2010's Tulsa is not. But they are on the same level because Tulsa used to be great. Lol

WSU could lose their starting 5 for the whole season and still be top half in the AAC. WSU is still a conference contender, even if LS never suits up.

But a conference championship won't even move the needle for the team. All it is for them is a means to an end. They are out for cutting nets in April.

Didnt you all just struggle to win a one bid league?

Is this why people dislike new money?

Isn't your fanbase melting down over one player being gone for part of a season?

You all think a couple games make a program, gtfo. . .

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

Congratulations Shockers on your dominating seasons in the Missouri Valley Cupcake Conference. Those are some cute trophies you have there...



* Future trophies may only be won by playing in a real conference.

(07-31-2017 04:24 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Congratulations Shockers on your dominating seasons in the Missouri Valley Cupcake Conference. Those are some cute trophies you have there...



* Future trophies may only be won by playing in a real conference.

So you're knocking on Tulsa's championships too?

How many AAC titles does Connecticut have?


Man, this place is just full of ignorance. I can't even.

The Valley wasn't full of cupcakes when Tulsa was a part of it.

And LOL. We have a lot of quality hardware.

(07-31-2017 04:29 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 04:24 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Congratulations Shockers on your dominating seasons in the Missouri Valley Cupcake Conference. Those are some cute trophies you have there...



* Future trophies may only be won by playing in a real conference.

So you're knocking on Tulsa's championships too?

How many AAC titles does Connecticut have?


Man, this place is just full of ignorance. I can't even.

Tulsa also won championships in multibid conferences (the wac and c-usa).

How many multibid mvc conference championships does wsu have?

Yes since late spring (april/may) i have noticed quite a growth in ignorance on this board in regaurds to basketball program knowledge. .if only there was some sort of unusual event that could be the cause in difference from last year to this one. What change would cause a rise in ignorant posters on this board

(07-31-2017 04:33 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  The Valley wasn't full of cupcakes when Tulsa was a part of it.

And LOL. We have a lot of quality hardware.

Don't move the goalposts. You want to talk Natty trash, talk Natty trash. Ain't got no problem with that. Much respect. But don't talk about conference championships and then backpedal at full speed when it blows up in your face.