(08-04-2017 09:51 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 10:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Sigh. What could have been. It's sad, when a team you went 8-2 against (Syracuse), and routed on many, many occasions was picked up for the ACC and yours wasn't. Yeah, I know, basketball and ancient football history and everything.

Explain why BC is in the ACC again? Were they a warm body from the Big East when the ACC was grabbing teams or what.

How the heck did Rutgers get into the Big 10 again? Just how?

Being 7-2 vs USF really impressed Jim Delany.

And we went 8-2 vs. Syracuse, and played even series with Louisville and West Virginia. Your point is? I say again, what did Rutgers do to earn a Big 12 invite? (other than be located near a major metro area).

Nothing :-)

But as far as the Big 10 was concerned, yes our ability to provide a lot of eyeballs throughout NJ definitely helped. PSU/Paterno was lobbying hard for Rutgers. AAU status and an academic profile that fits the other schools in the Big 10 (other than Northwestern). Bordering on Pennsylvania (contiguous region).

It was more than athletics.

What would we have had in common with the schools in the American other than UConn?

(08-04-2017 10:56 AM)YNot Wrote:  2016 TV Numbers

Syracuse:
2.59M on ABC v. Clemson
2.56M on ABC v. FSU
2.1M on ESPN v. Notre Dame
1.7M on ESPN2(Fri) v. Louisville
295K on ESPNU v. Virginia Tech

USF:
2.55M on ABC v. FSU
1.3M on ESPN(Fri) v. Temple
556K on ESPN2(Fri) v. Navy
169K on ESPN U v. Memphis
144K on ESPNU v. Cincinnati

I don't know that you can analyze too much from the numbers, because there is a significant difference between the caliber of opponents in these rated games.

I do note that the difference in the one broadcast involving the common opponent (FSU) was about 10K viewers (both Saturday on ABC).

Good info, thanks. Guess I was off on my TV data.

(08-04-2017 09:51 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 10:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Sigh. What could have been. It's sad, when a team you went 8-2 against (Syracuse), and routed on many, many occasions was picked up for the ACC and yours wasn't. Yeah, I know, basketball and ancient football history and everything.

Explain why BC is in the ACC again? Were they a warm body from the Big East when the ACC was grabbing teams or what.

How the heck did Rutgers get into the Big 10 again? Just how?

Being 7-2 vs USF really impressed Jim Delany.

And we went 8-2 vs. Syracuse, and played even series with Louisville and West Virginia. Your point is? I say again, what did Rutgers do to earn a Big 12 invite? (other than be located near a major metro area).

Let's be clear, we are in the BIG 10. The B12 is one of the P5 conferences USF was hoping to get into.

On the sports side:
1, New Jersey is a high population state - about 7.5m. That translated into a big payday for the BTN when RU was invited.
2, NJ is a high revenue state. Our average household income translates into higher buying power, which translates to higher advertising dollars.
3, There are a ton of high earning alumni of other B10 schools living here, who wanted to see conference games without having to travel.
4, Wrestling is a sport that the B10 cares about. We have it and our team has been on an upward trend for the better part of a decade.
5, We also have lacrosse. Which allowed the B10 to sponsor the sport and helps drive live event programing for the BTN.
6, Our facilities are lacking, but we were already in the early stages of major fundraisers to address that.
7, RU is the birthplace of college football. A status that the B10 wanted in the fold.

On the academic side: The B10 cares about academics.
1, 50,000 students and a 250,000+ living alumni base.
2, AAU status.
3, High rankings on all best colleges lists.
4, Huge research budgets.
5, Solid peer reputations.
6, Was in the process of reabsorbing UMDNJ back into RU. That move gave us two medical schools, two teaching hospitals, the state's only dental school and a freestanding cancer institute.
7, #6 only boosted #'s 1-5.
8, We are one of the original 10 Colonial Colleges, 1 of only 2 not in the IVY and the only one with FBS status. The B10 wanted that in the fold.

(08-04-2017 10:51 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 10:20 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 10:06 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:51 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Being 7-2 vs USF really impressed Jim Delany.

And we went 8-2 vs. Syracuse, and played even series with Louisville and West Virginia. Your point is? I say again, what did Rutgers do to earn a Big 12 invite? (other than be located near a major metro area).

USF's big problem is UF, FSU and Miami and the TB Buccaneers

Congrats on beating us when we've been in a historic bad 15 year period. We still drive more TV eyeballs and our basketball program is an elite national power with a huge fanbase. Conferences want to be with academic peers who give them new markets for future students and TV eyeballs.

Agree on the other 3 Florida schools. And I already concurred that your basketball program was a major plus and helped put you over the top with ACC. But if your looking strictly at football programs in the here and now, then USF has the better program and honestly, should always have a better program based on where we are in the country for recruiting. I don't think your football program drives very many TV eyeballs, and based off the ratings we usually get on ESPN, I would argue, they don't drive any more eyeballs than USF. You also average maybe 32-33K fans a game, and probably significantly less than that in actual butts in seats. And by the way, our academics are fantastic. I won't bore you with all the rankings, but USF is ranked very high academically, especially in research.

Congrats on getting in ACC. I am glad you made it in. I don't really have anything against Cuse at all. I think Babers will have y'all winning a ton of games soon. I was impressed with Dungey last year at QB. I like cuse from the shared history.

Looking at football programs here and now, USF may have the edge, but fortunately SU does have a vast history of success and that seems to be what conferences like the ACC seek. Thats also the reason that SU was able to attract a coach like Babers.
Regarding SU's attendance, they are usually above 40,000, but the past 2 years the attendance has dwindled. But I expect the attendance to be at about 40,000 again this season. I cant be positive but I believe that SU is a bigger tv draw at this time. SU was always one of the top 2 or 3 tv draws in the BE even during the year they only won one game.

Totally agree. Your football history and outstanding basketball program were major plusses.

(08-04-2017 10:35 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 10:20 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 10:06 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:51 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 08:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Being 7-2 vs USF really impressed Jim Delany.

And we went 8-2 vs. Syracuse, and played even series with Louisville and West Virginia. Your point is? I say again, what did Rutgers do to earn a Big 12 invite? (other than be located near a major metro area).

USF's big problem is UF, FSU and Miami and the TB Buccaneers

Congrats on beating us when we've been in a historic bad 15 year period. We still drive more TV eyeballs and our basketball program is an elite national power with a huge fanbase. Conferences want to be with academic peers who give them new markets for future students and TV eyeballs.

Agree on the other 3 Florida schools. And I already concurred that your basketball program was a major plus and helped put you over the top with ACC. But if your looking strictly at football programs in the here and now, then USF has the better program and honestly, should always have a better program based on where we are in the country for recruiting. I don't think your football program drives very many TV eyeballs, and based off the ratings we usually get on ESPN, I would argue, they don't drive any more eyeballs than USF. You also average maybe 32-33K fans a game, and probably significantly less than that in actual butts in seats. And by the way, our academics are fantastic. I won't bore you with all the rankings, but USF is ranked very high academically, especially in research.

Congrats on getting in ACC. I am glad you made it in. I don't really have anything against Cuse at all. I think Babers will have y'all winning a ton of games soon. I was impressed with Dungey last year at QB. I like cuse from the shared history.

No issues...I don't agree with everything you said but it isn't worth quibbling over. I'll be at 2-3 USF games this Fall. Definitely going to Temple. I'm pretty sure we met at RAFB. If you come over for a game, reach out to me.

Unfortunately, it is hard to break into the club. I'd love to see the AAC elevate in a new P6/G4 split

Yep, when I get back to Tampa I will look you up. It's only a matter of time until I return.