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RE: Nugget's Ghost Will Not Decide Who Speaks Here ...
(08-25-2017 10:02 AM)LaurelEagleSon Wrote:  
(08-25-2017 09:27 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  You two got the guts to read this and tell us what you think?
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-...-dnc-hack/

And the murder of Seth Rich looks more suspicious every minute.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nyti...n.amp.html

Investigators now say files were copied and transferred, most likely, to a thumb drive. They also know some files were sent to a foreign server. He also had destroyed some government hard drives that were found in his home.
DW Schulz says the FBI are just "ethnic and religious profiling" the poor guy. This same guy who has been investigated for fraud before including his step-mother who said he stole her identity and defrauded her.

What will the backlash be if it becomes obvious the democrats, the media and the deep state have been colluding and pushing what they knew was a lie to damage a fairly elected president?

How will you feel about them making a fool out of you?

Wait, what? Both of these articles are conspiracy theories. Rumor mongering opinion pieces. You're not trying to present these as if they are evidence based on fact, are you? Hell it takes a half hour to even begin to get to the point of the Nation article because the writer was so proud of all the pretty words he was typing.

Rumor mongering? You serious? After all this Russia crap your gonna say this EVIDENCE is rumor mongering? Unbelievable!
So why has the Russia crap on the usual purveyors of fake news dwindled to nothing? I thought they said it was the biggest story of the century.
There are facts here. If you refuse to believe them then that's your problem. Conspiracy theory is just another way to get your like minded thinkers to pay no attention. Pay attention and you may not look like a willing idiot when things turn.
Facts:
1. Awan was arrested. He had been under investigation and DW Schulz defended him and refuse to fire him after concerns were brought to her attention by the FBI.

2. Awan was arrested at the airport after taking out a very large (think it was $240,000) loan and trying to send the money to Pakistan.

3. Smashed government hard drives were found in his garage.

4. Several DEMOCRATIC congressmen brought concerns to the attention of DW Schulz with no action taken.

5. DW Schulz threatened the capital police about returning a computer that was in their possession and involved in the investigation.

6. Awan was overpaid to the tune of $millions.

7. Awan knew DW Schulz's password giving him access to congressional servers email and to possibly very sensitive classified documents.

8. Awan had family on the payroll who did not do any work. One with a six figure check from the government worked full time at a convenience store during the same time period.

9. DW Schulz aggressively defended Awan after investigators informed her of their investigation and their concerns and many congressmen separated themselves from his work. She did not fire him until he was arrested.

10. Investigators have found very sensitive files including the emails that were leaked by Wikileaks were downloaded by someone without permission. The speed they were downloaded indicates they were more than likely downloaded to a thumb drive.

There is A LOT more facts but the point is you call this rumor mongering and yet spread this Trump-Russia collusion crap with NO evidence. I call that shameless hypocrisy.

One investigation that the facts are muddled on is the murder of Seth Rich. If you don't know who he was you haven't been watching and reading media that is telling you the whole story.
Seth Rich worked for the DNC in Washington. He was a disgruntled Bernie supporter upset about the collusion between DW Schulz and the DNC. He was murdered days before the Wikileaks's leaked emails. Shot in the back in what the capital police said was a robbery yet nothing was taken from him. A personal computer was taken from his home afterward by the capital police and its whereabouts now are unknown. The RUMOR is the FBI took possession of it from them.
In interviews Wikileaks's founder J Asange was furious one of his underlings had identified S Rich as the source of the leaked emails. He would not confirm this information but said some of his sources could be in real danger. He has also said in every instance that Russia was not his source.
Those are facts.
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Who here has said anything about Russia, but you? And it's not me spreading information about Russia, it's the entirety of the intelligence community in the United States. If something comes of your story, fine. But I'm not going to discount the entire intelligence community based on conjecture from opinion pieces by the Nation and NYTimes.

And if nobody is paying attention to the Russia story anymore, why are news organizations, RIGHT NOW, talking about Trump butting heads with GOP senators about the Russia investigation and asking Mitch McConnell to protect him from it by shooting down a bipartisan bill to protect the independence of Mueller? Why was an email just found from a top Trump aid trying to set up a meeting with Putin during the campaign? Why were his son and son in law in a meeting with Russian agents? Why did they lie about it, over and over again, as more and more facts came out about the meeting? Why does the story keep changing? Why did Trump literally say he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. Why is Trump so pissed off about Jeff Sessions not recusing himself from the Russia investigation? Why did Rosenstei, a man who enjoyed overwhelming bipartisan support for his honesty and thoroughness, appoint an independent counsel in the first place?

These are all Republicans Trump is feuding with, by the way. But, sure, it's a liberal conspiracy and I'm the one being willfully ignorant.
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By the way, no animosity here. I just really enjoy the debate.
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(08-25-2017 11:37 AM)LaurelEagleSon Wrote:  Who here has said anything about Russia, but you? And it's not me spreading information about Russia, it's the entirety of the intelligence community in the United States. If something comes of your story, fine. But I'm not going to discount the entire intelligence community based on conjecture from opinion pieces by the Nation and NYTimes.

And if nobody is paying attention to the Russia story anymore, why are news organizations, RIGHT NOW, talking about Trump butting heads with GOP senators about the Russia investigation and asking Mitch McConnell to protect him from it by shooting down a bipartisan bill to protect the independence of Mueller? Why was an email just found from a top Trump aid trying to set up a meeting with Putin during the campaign? Why were his son and son in law in a meeting with Russian agents? Why did they lie about it, over and over again, as more and more facts came out about the meeting? Why does the story keep changing? Why did Trump literally say he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. Why is Trump so pissed off about Jeff Sessions not recusing himself from the Russia investigation? Why did Rosenstei, a man who enjoyed overwhelming bipartisan support for his honesty and thoroughness, appoint an independent counsel in the first place?

These are all Republicans Trump is feuding with, by the way. But, sure, it's a liberal conspiracy and I'm the one being willfully ignorant.

I am sorry to point this out to you but you are way behind the curve on all of this. I will concede you have not, to my knowledge, spouted off incessantly about Russia but Eaebeaver has and he's your comrade.
The facts are the intelligence reported was a lie. None of the other agencies even reviewed the 'intelligence'. It was reported in the New York Times or/both The Washington Post the intelligence you speak of was signed off on by ONLY THREE PEOPLE with information provided by a company hired by the DNC with known ties to the Ukraine. The conclusion the Russians hacked the DNC was based on an inside investigation done by that company, Crowd Sourceing, which the DNC contracted because it would not allow the FBI access to their servers. DW Schulz denies this now saying the FBI didn't ask properly. Sure. It was all political sabotage of the Trump administration. On top of this the dems slow walked all of Trumps appointments to allow the obama holdovers time to leak secrets and undermine trust in the president. Are you getting a little intuition nagging at you now about Clapper going on the Sunday shows questioning If Trumps is fit to serve. Clapper is a proven liar, has lied to congress in hearings and is caught up in the leaking of information gained from illegal unmasking. His ass is in a vise and it's starting to tighten.

As for the special council I'll just say he has hired an all democrat team of investigating lawyers. Some have given the maximum campaign donations to obama and Clinton. One actually worked for the Clinton Foundation stalling and denying FOIA request. Mueller was Comey's boss at the FBI and by all indications they were good friends. Comey had direct talks with Mueller about this investigation before he was hired as special prosecutor. None of this has been denied yet it should have been enough conflict of interest to disqualify Mueller. Talk about conspiracy theories. Will they find something? Yes. They will haul Flynn into a court room and who knows who else closely tied to Trump or maybe even Trump himself on some manufactured process crime or tax dealing. They will get their Scooter Libby and it will be the same kind of crap. In essence a witch hunt.

As for the other garbage you ask about, it is just that, garbage. None of it has or will come to anything and you know it. You just are a hater and you don't care how it happens you just want the election overturned because you lost.

I'll give you the 'its republicans to' fact. The establishment hate him probably more than you. He's shaking up their cushy little world like they never thought anyone would. So yeah, for a lot of them it's not politics it's personal. Look at McCain for instance. Just like he did with obama he just can't get over the hatred for Trump and do what he promised while campaigning to his constituents.
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Gonna need sources for all of that.

And the old saying, I think, applies to Trump: If you think everyone around you is an *******, you're probably the *******.
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Same here. Frustrating we don't know all the truth. Problem is we more than likely never will.

If you remember the Clinton impeachment, the reason he was not found guilty was that Trent Lott, said they just thought it would be bad for the country to actually call witnesses and remove a sitting president.
You know more recently Trump, after the election just dropped the Hillary Clinton 'matter'. It was relayed later by others that it would make America look like a third world country if the losing political leaders were thrown in jail. I see their point but the investigation of corruption in government should never be disqualified by appearances. But they were both part of the establishment so the wagons were circled and they were protected beyond what you or I would have been.

America could have dealt with either situation had either been found guilty.

We deserve an honest government willing to police itself to the letter of the law just as we would be held accordingly . We also deserve a news media that reports facts and holds no observable biases to one party or the other. After Trump's speech the other night I saw a graphic of the favorable-unfavorable reporting of that speach done by I believe a northeastern university not known for its conservative bias. All networks were in the high 80 to 98% negatives other than Fox that was in the middle 50s. We are not getting what we need with this kind of journalism.
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(08-25-2017 01:56 PM)LaurelEagleSon Wrote:  Gonna need sources for all of that.

And the old saying, I think, applies to Trump: If you think everyone around you is an *******, you're probably the *******.

Google is your friend. Besides if you google and actually read things that you think are lies from the enemy you might just learn more than what you thought you would. What I have written l have read and believe to be most likely to be true. For one thing it makes more sense. Try researching some of the things you see here that you don't believe. Start with the '13 intelligence organizations' lie. You may learn something. Maybe you'll prove me a liar. Give it a try.
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I don't believe in doing people's research for them. If you say something that you want me to believe, you gotta back it up with sources.
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(08-25-2017 04:10 PM)LaurelEagleSon Wrote:  I don't believe in doing people's research for them. If you say something that you want me to believe, you gotta back it up with sources.

THEIR sources are Fox and Fiends, Breitbart, Flush Slimeball and out-of-their-azzzes..03-lmfao

Always like it when BOTH sides accuse the other side of being MISINFORMED and "IGNUNT", when our views normally come from how we were raised, our peers and whether or not we are well traveled. (people who have traveled the world are normally more open minded and less prejudiced.)
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(08-25-2017 06:18 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(08-25-2017 04:10 PM)LaurelEagleSon Wrote:  I don't believe in doing people's research for them. If you say something that you want me to believe, you gotta back it up with sources.

THEIR sources are Fox and Fiends, Breitbart, Flush Slimeball and out-of-their-azzzes..03-lmfao

Always like it when BOTH sides accuse the other side of being MISINFORMED and "IGNUNT", when our views normally come from how we were raised, our peers and whether or not we are well traveled. (people who have traveled the world are normally more open minded and less prejudiced.)

I gave you both one source and it is far from conservative. You won't even read it so what is the point of cutting and pasting more.
Eaglebeaver, you could find most of that stuff in your beloved New York Times if you really were interested in the truth.
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Aight LES, debate this first:
$21 trillion in fuggin national debt (was $9 trillion when Obama took office and went on a spending spree with the Repubs trying to stop him -- what a joke) from the Uniparty.

All this other stuff is just shat to keep the masses divided and both parties are involved because they are really one party.

How do you debate this?
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Easy. The financial meltdown that occurred during the Bush administration. And I'm glad you mentioned the Republican control of Congress, considering they are the ones who vote on the budget.
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Damn dude, I was hopeful you were smarter (or less stubborn) than that...the national debt pre-dates Bush but Obama's useless spending spree more than doubled it. And yes, the Uniparty Congress allowed all of it to occur. Because it pads all of their pockets.

I'll help you further...why would their be a possibility of a government shutdown looming in the near future? The fact of the matter is that the traitor Republicans don't even need their partners-in-crime (yah, they are all criminals) Democrats votes. Think about that for a minute. The Repubs can pass the budget without a single vote from them but they are currently "troubled". What a farce and the joke is on every one of you out there who think there is a dimes difference between the "two" parties.

Also, I'm glad you brought up the "budget". Obama never had a budget. Did you know that? I didn't think so. And who helped him not need one? Boener and then 'Omnibus' Ryan after him. GWB was the last President that signed a budget. The Uniparty figured out a way around it with the media's help of dumbing down the masses and now hardly anyone even gives a rats ass.

Easy is correct -- you lose this simple debate and all of us lose in the end! There should not be a GD national debt.
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Dude, you legitimately asked how it raised after specifying the beginning of Obama's tenure as the starting point, even though the republicans tried to stop it. How are you gonna come back at me with, "the debt ceiling was higher before then and they are all one party" ?

Also, Obama submitted several budgets.
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You missed the sarcasm...the Repubs didn't try to stop ****! Look again and you'll see I said, "...what a joke". If you understood the root problem, you woulda caught the sarcasm sir. Obama signed ZERO budgets...didn't have to but certainly didn't demand one at any of the 8 years helping plunder the nation.
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And I didn't "legitimately" ask anything. I actually understand all that garbage they call budgeting and economics as well. I also have no vested interest or emotional ties to the R's or the D's.

You stated earlier that you enjoy the debate so I tossed you a rope. You keep trying to hang yourself for a party that is screwing you. I used to do the same but realized they were screwing me. So I wised up!! That was in '89...
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nyti...a.amp.html

In this piece notice the NYT contradicts the head line in the first few sentence.

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuter...SKBN14204E

Clapper is in this up to his eyeballs. obama wanted something to delegitimize Trumps election and Clapper gave it to him.

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-ar...ace-value/

A good read. Ask yourself why if the FBI thought both the DNC and RNC were hacked by the Russians as they claim why did they only ask for access to the DNCs server?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail...probe.html

Here's some "rumor mongering".

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/24/exclus...-on-awans/

More rumor mongering.

It's late tonight so that's it. Maybe tomorrow I'll add some really good stuff.
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Read this and I'll read your stuff refuting it and we'll discuss. Deal?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ader-coup/
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