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(08-18-2017 04:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 11:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest

OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.

Probably more palatable all the way around to do a three way swap. Clemson/Wake, Syracuse/Miami and UNC/UVA.

Wake is Clemson's second longest opponent behind SC, and after GT and FSU the third ACC team doesn't really matter to us.

Syracuse and Miami have history and Cuse wants to play them more so that makes more sense.

Is the Textile Bowl much of a rivalry?

Not really. We probably get more excited about the O'Rourke-McFadden trophy because it has actual history. We've owned the Textile Bowl since it was introduced.
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(08-18-2017 07:19 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  This makes sense to me:

Boston College: Miami-FL, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Duke
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
NC State: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Clemson
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Louisville, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Louisville
Virginia Tech: Miami-FL, Virginia, Pittsburgh
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Boston College

That's a good one. I'll make the changes.

(08-18-2017 07:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 04:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 11:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest

OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.

Probably more palatable all the way around to do a three way swap. Clemson/Wake, Syracuse/Miami and UNC/UVA.

Wake is Clemson's second longest opponent behind SC, and after GT and FSU the third ACC team doesn't really matter to us.

Syracuse and Miami have history and Cuse wants to play them more so that makes more sense.

Is the Textile Bowl much of a rivalry?

Not really. We probably get more excited about the O'Rourke-McFadden trophy because it has actual history. We've owned the Textile Bowl since it was introduced.

OK, good to know.
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(08-18-2017 07:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 07:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 04:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 11:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.

Probably more palatable all the way around to do a three way swap. Clemson/Wake, Syracuse/Miami and UNC/UVA.

Wake is Clemson's second longest opponent behind SC, and after GT and FSU the third ACC team doesn't really matter to us.

Syracuse and Miami have history and Cuse wants to play them more so that makes more sense.

Is the Textile Bowl much of a rivalry?

Not really. We probably get more excited about the O'Rourke-McFadden trophy because it has actual history. We've owned the Textile Bowl since it was introduced.

OK, good to know.

The Textile Bowl came to be in 1981. Since then Clemson is 24-10 in the series, 14-4 since the turn of the century. It's not a rivalry in any way, shape, or form.
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(08-18-2017 06:41 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 05:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 04:46 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.

Syracuse/VT actually makes less sense than BC. I can't imagine what the number of reasons are. VT and Miami would rank in each other's top 3 for sure. Louisville should play Syracuse. Neither VA team would choose them.

What sense does BC make?

VT took SU's ACC spot. SU knocked off VT w/ no time in '98 to win the BIG EAST. VT sniped Vick and killed SU in '01 (?) to win the BE.

VT couldn't win @SU and SU couldn't win @VT, so the all time series is roughly even (w/ SU having a slight edge) w/ both sides missing out on key opportunities.

SU is historically better than BC (and has a winning ACC record vs BC).

SU also has more alumni in the DMV than BC for a variety of reasons.

That beats "we joined at roughly the same time" in my mind at least. I have a hard time seeing VT picking BC over SU, and I have no idea why you think UL and VT are a good fit.

I didn't say playing BC made sense. I said playing Syracuse made less sense. At least with BC you have this forced 12 yr history where they had the miracle comeback in the rain that kept us out of the championship game. We also played them in several ACC championships.

I didn't say UL an VT are a good fit. We shared a conference with them a long time ago and they pushed VT out for money.
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(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

As a Penn State fan, I think you've got the right three for them. It sucks to lose annual games with Michigan and Michigan State though. They aren't exactly rivals but we like playing them. Ohio State would be our biggest rival even if it isn't reciprocated. Maryland and Rutgers are both where a ton of alumni go and where we recruit so they are a big priority. Plus there is a lot of history even without a rivalry there.
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Proposals for some G5 conferences:

American
Central Florida: East Carolina, South Florida, Temple
Cincinnati: Connecticut, Memphis, South Florida
Connecticut: Cincinnati, South Florida, Temple
East Carolina: Central Florida, Navy, Temple
Houston: Navy, SMU, Tulane
Memphis: Cincinnati, Tulane, Tulsa
Navy: East Carolina, Houston, SMU
SMU: Houston, Navy, Tulsa
South Florida: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut
Temple: Central Florida, Connecticut, East Carolina
Tulane: Houston, Memphis, Tulsa
Tulsa: Memphis, SMU, Tulane

C-USA
Charlotte: FAU, Marshall, Old Dominion
FAU: Charlotte, FIU, UAB
FIU: FAU, Old Dominion, Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech: Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss, Western Kentucky
Marshall: Charlotte, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee: Louisiana Tech, UAB, Western Kentucky
North Texas: Rice, UTEP, UTSA
Old Dominion: Charlotte, FIU, Marshall
Rice: North Texas, UTEP, UTSA
Southern Miss: FIU, Louisiana Tech, UAB
UAB: FAU, Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss
UTEP: North Texas, Rice, UTSA
UTSA: North Texas, Rice, UTEP
Western Kentucky: Louisiana Tech, Marshall, Middle Tennessee

MAC
Akron: Buffalo, Kent State, Ohio
Ball State: Miami-OH, Northern Illinois, Ohio
Bowling Green: Kent State, Miami-OH, Toledo
Buffalo: Akron, Central Michigan, Kent State
Central Michigan: Buffalo, Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan
Eastern Michigan: Central Michigan, Toledo, Western Michigan
Kent State: Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo
Miami-OH: Ball State, Bowling Green, Ohio
Northern Illinois: Ball State, Toledo, Western Michigan
Ohio: Akron, Ball State, Miami-OH
Toledo: Bowling Green, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois
Western Michigan: Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois

MWC
Air Force: Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming
Boise State: Nevada, UNLV, Utah State
Colorado State: Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming
Fresno State: Hawaii, San Diego State, San Jose State
Hawaii: Fresno State, San Diego State, San Jose State
Nevada: Boise State, UNLV, Utah State
New Mexico: Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming
San Diego State: Fresno State, Hawaii, San Jose State
San Jose State: Fresno State, Hawaii, San Diego State
UNLV: Boise State, Nevada, Utah State
Utah State: Boise State, Nevada, UNLV
Wyoming: Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico
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(08-18-2017 05:26 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  How about this?

ACC
Boston College: Miami-FL, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech
Louisville: Clemson, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Syracuse
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Miami-FL Pittsburgh
Virginia: North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Virginia Tech: Georgia Tech, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Virginia

See corrections above.
I think that VT can live without playing Miami-FL every single year, and playing Louisville would renew an old rivalry. Also, Syracuse would get to renew its rivalry with Miami-FL.
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(08-18-2017 08:32 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 06:41 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 05:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 04:46 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.

Syracuse/VT actually makes less sense than BC. I can't imagine what the number of reasons are. VT and Miami would rank in each other's top 3 for sure. Louisville should play Syracuse. Neither VA team would choose them.

What sense does BC make?

VT took SU's ACC spot. SU knocked off VT w/ no time in '98 to win the BIG EAST. VT sniped Vick and killed SU in '01 (?) to win the BE.

VT couldn't win @SU and SU couldn't win @VT, so the all time series is roughly even (w/ SU having a slight edge) w/ both sides missing out on key opportunities.

SU is historically better than BC (and has a winning ACC record vs BC).

SU also has more alumni in the DMV than BC for a variety of reasons.

That beats "we joined at roughly the same time" in my mind at least. I have a hard time seeing VT picking BC over SU, and I have no idea why you think UL and VT are a good fit.

I didn't say playing BC made sense. I said playing Syracuse made less sense. At least with BC you have this forced 12 yr history where they had the miracle comeback in the rain that kept us out of the championship game. We also played them in several ACC championships.

I didn't say UL an VT are a good fit. We shared a conference with them a long time ago and they pushed VT out for money.

You're putting words in my mouth... and you must not have been watching last time SU and VT were in a conference. There was legitimate heat to those games towards the end (I'll find a couple on YouTube for you if you want -- they're electric and fun to watch). There are even a couple Beamer quotes about how much he hated/hates the Carrier Dome. And I'd rank repeated back stabbing, equal records, and some of the most exciting games that were played in the BIG EAST over a "forced" association and several ACC CG's that nobody watched, but to each their own, I guess.

Also, I meant SU vs UL, not UL vs VT. The two schools have next to nothing in common.
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(08-18-2017 08:33 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

As a Penn State fan, I think you've got the right three for them. It sucks to lose annual games with Michigan and Michigan State though. They aren't exactly rivals but we like playing them. Ohio State would be our biggest rival even if it isn't reciprocated. Maryland and Rutgers are both where a ton of alumni go and where we recruit so they are a big priority. Plus there is a lot of history even without a rivalry there.

I fixed PSU.
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(08-19-2017 05:33 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 08:33 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

As a Penn State fan, I think you've got the right three for them. It sucks to lose annual games with Michigan and Michigan State though. They aren't exactly rivals but we like playing them. Ohio State would be our biggest rival even if it isn't reciprocated. Maryland and Rutgers are both where a ton of alumni go and where we recruit so they are a big priority. Plus there is a lot of history even without a rivalry there.

I fixed PSU.

I would substitute West Virginia in for Notre Dame based on history but Notre Dame would provide the bigger name and match up.
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(08-19-2017 05:56 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:33 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 08:33 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

As a Penn State fan, I think you've got the right three for them. It sucks to lose annual games with Michigan and Michigan State though. They aren't exactly rivals but we like playing them. Ohio State would be our biggest rival even if it isn't reciprocated. Maryland and Rutgers are both where a ton of alumni go and where we recruit so they are a big priority. Plus there is a lot of history even without a rivalry there.

I fixed PSU.

I would substitute West Virginia in for Notre Dame based on history but Notre Dame would provide the bigger name and match up.

A complete list going beyond 3 would be:

Pitt
SU
ND
WVU
VT
UMD
RU
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(08-19-2017 10:46 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  A complete list going beyond 3 would be:

Pitt
SU
ND
WVU
VT

UMD
RU

If and when any of the bolded schools join the Big Ten, then they can be placed on Penn State's conference schedule. 03-wink
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(08-19-2017 11:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 10:46 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  A complete list going beyond 3 would be:

Pitt
SU
ND
WVU
VT

UMD
RU

If and when any of the bolded schools join the Big Ten, then they can be placed on Penn State's conference schedule. 03-wink

I doubt most of those schools will ever join the B1G, and I doubt most want to.

I think that the days of bloated conferences are numbered. It doesn't make sense for schools like PSU and Minn to be in the same conference. They have next to nothing in common.

(**I chose Minn because PSU's 1st B1G fb game was against Minn.**)
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(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Big Ten[/B]
Illinois:[/B] Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana:[/B] Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa:[/B] Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland:[/B] Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan:[/B] Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State:[/B] Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota:[/B] Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska:[/B] Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern:[/B] Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State:[/B] Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State:[/B] Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue:[/B] Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers:[/B] Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin:[/B] Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

That's a really solid set up. I'd love for the Big Ten/All conferences to go to this kind of set up. I personally would prefer Michigan State to Michigan but that wouldn't be a deal breaker. It's really a great breakdown.
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(08-19-2017 10:46 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:56 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-19-2017 05:33 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 08:33 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

As a Penn State fan, I think you've got the right three for them. It sucks to lose annual games with Michigan and Michigan State though. They aren't exactly rivals but we like playing them. Ohio State would be our biggest rival even if it isn't reciprocated. Maryland and Rutgers are both where a ton of alumni go and where we recruit so they are a big priority. Plus there is a lot of history even without a rivalry there.

I fixed PSU.

I would substitute West Virginia in for Notre Dame based on history but Notre Dame would provide the bigger name and match up.

A complete list going beyond 3 would be:

Pitt
SU
ND
WVU
VT
UMD
RU

I think every northeast football fan wishes Penn State, Syracuse, Pitt and WVU were in the same conference and playing every year. They really should find some way to make it a round robin every year even though I know it's impossible.
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I think the AAC could benefit from this. The league doesn't really have two divisions so much as it has smaller clusters.
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(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Miami-FL, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Duke, Florida State
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
NC State: Clemson, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Miami-FL, Pittsburgh, Virginia
Wake Forest: Boston College, Duke, NC State

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?



Dude - you have way too much time on your hands to come up with something like this that will never, ever, ever, ever happen..
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(08-22-2017 12:01 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Dude - you have way too much time on your hands to come up with something like this that will never, ever, ever, ever happen..

Dude - it's a fun exercise. As I stated, I'm not in favor of abolishing divisions, although it's not nearly as implausible as you think. And while Excel makes creating such lists a breeze, I don't believe I have to justify the use of my time to you.
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(08-19-2017 11:23 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I think the AAC could benefit from this. The league doesn't really have two divisions so much as it has smaller clusters.

The AAC WEST division makes sense - except for Navy - who wants to be there by design.

And how dare you suggest that the ConFLiCT isn't one of the prime AAC rivalry matchups!
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
Long ago, it was not at all unusual for a conference to have more members than could play each other in a season. (Southern, SEC, and I think Mo Valley was there as well).

Conference were more of a mini-NCAA providing agreed rules beyond what the NCAA had when the NCAA didn't do much beyond the making of playing rules.

Athletic directors would gather at the conference meetings with a calendar in hand and negotiate their own intra-conference schedules.

If conferences ever grow past the 16-18 range this is the most logical solution or a hybrid of that. Say the league and TV picks 2-4 intra-conference games and the AD's iron out the rest of the schedule on their own. If A and B wish to play each other every year, they can work it out. If A and B don't care if they ever play each other, then if TV and the conference don't pair them, they don't have to play.
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