(08-24-2017 07:52 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I did end up getting lighter fluid and a canister filled with gas. Also got some charcoal for my grill. All I need is a hand cranked radio and probably fill those jugs of water. Got around 120 bottles or so, and filled more bottles with water that I have at the house.


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Do you have enough beer to get through it? Serious question.

(08-24-2017 08:13 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 07:52 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I did end up getting lighter fluid and a canister filled with gas. Also got some charcoal for my grill. All I need is a hand cranked radio and probably fill those jugs of water. Got around 120 bottles or so, and filled more bottles with water that I have at the house.


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Do you have enough beer to get through it? Serious question.

Hmmm good question! I shall get some more tomorrow


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(08-24-2017 08:16 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 08:13 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 07:52 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I did end up getting lighter fluid and a canister filled with gas. Also got some charcoal for my grill. All I need is a hand cranked radio and probably fill those jugs of water. Got around 120 bottles or so, and filled more bottles with water that I have at the house.


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Do you have enough beer to get through it? Serious question.

Hmmm good question! I shall get some more tomorrow


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Good. What kind of NCO would I be if I didn't try and square away a fellow vet?

UTSA - what part of Houston do you live in? I'm down in Fort Bend County and we handled Allison just fine but probably only got 10-12 inches in 2001. My guess is we could handle 20 inches without serious flooding, although we'd be pretty much stuck in the houses unable to get anywhere really. And the nearby Brazos River might flood by the end of the week, although again that doesn't affect houses near us - just the sports fields and possibly some major thoroughfares if it surpasses what it did in the spring of 2015 and 2016.

Space City Weather's latest blog still suggests the death scenario the TV shows are hyping could not happen. Instead of the 20-40 inch totals the networks are suggesting, they still think 5-15 inches is a possible scenario and most of Houston could handle that just fine.

(08-24-2017 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 02:00 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  I just saw a report from Houston from a grocery store and shelves were being emptied. They were bare.

Hell, that happens here in Michigan when they predict 5-6 inches of snow...lol

We do the same thing for a light dusting down South

(08-24-2017 08:43 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  UTSA - what part of Houston do you live in? I'm down in Fort Bend County and we handled Allison just fine but probably only got 10-12 inches in 2001. My guess is we could handle 20 inches without serious flooding, although we'd be pretty much stuck in the houses unable to get anywhere really. And the nearby Brazos River might flood by the end of the week, although again that doesn't affect houses near us - just the sports fields and possibly some major thoroughfares if it surpasses what it did in the spring of 2015 and 2016.

Space City Weather's latest blog still suggests the death scenario the TV shows are hyping could not happen. Instead of the 20-40 inch totals the networks are suggesting, they still think 5-15 inches is a possible scenario and most of Houston could handle that just fine.

I am in Tanglewood. Never seen it flood since I moved here, but you never know.


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My concern is that there has been so much development up the bayous since Allison that areas that didn't flood during Allison might flood this time. It all depends if we get 30 inches of rain in the next couple of days. I've got an axe in my attic, and a life jacket and raft in my garage just in case.

And then there's the potential impact of a surge slowing the movement of water out of Galveston Bay. That will cause Bayous to back up more quickly.

Most likely, everyone will be fine other than in the known problem areas. But ya never know.

How long ago was the storm that flooded the medical district and nearby Rice? And how much rain was that? I seem to recall a lot of those hospitals had their basement and first floor flooded. I believe some had their backup power in the basement and with it flooded, was useless.

Allison was 2001. Parts of Houston got 30-plus inches in about 2-2 1/2 days. The medical center probably didn't get quite that much but it was maybe 25 inches? We've had 2 pretty bad flooding events each of the last 2 springs but both were confined to smaller sections of town that are the normal flooding spots. The problem is that the infrastructure in town is pretty land-locked. They've tried expanding the bayous a bit but it's just cosmetic changes at best. Out in the suburbs, they have the room to create much more levees and water retention areas, so the suburbs can handle the rain much better than the urban sprawl. I think way back in 1979, the city of Alvin set an all-time U.S. record of 40 inches of rain in 1 day (?) and while it turned that city into a lake, that city is so rural that it could handle the rain. 40 inches in Houston would cause a LOT of deaths and record monetary damage.

(08-24-2017 04:12 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 03:27 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Looks like the kind of storm you run from, not the kind you stock up for and ride out.

No not at all. The hurricane wind forces will be confined to mostly Corpus Christi and nearabouts. The rain totals will be extraordinary (now they're saying 30-40 inches possibly in Houston from Saturday-Thursday). The last thing you want to be doing is driving in those conditions.

I'm not seeing anyone leaving town like we saw for Ike in 2005. I do see a shortage of water and groceries, and probably gas will be tough to find by Sunday. If everything is flooded, even if we have power, the stores will be empty. But we may not have widespread power outages.

BTW, this will affect Louisiana big-time too, and the entire country will probably see gas prices higher by 30-50 cents a gallon at the minimum within a week or two??

To be fair---this a storm to get out the way of if you live on the coast. In Houston, your better off riding out virtually any hurricane because we are far enough from the coast that the wind will wind down by the time they get here and storm surge wont be a factor. The real damage comes from storm surge. My mother-in-laws beach house was on Crystal Beach during Ike. The only thing left was part of the concrete foundation and 2 pilings. In fact, there was not a single front row, second row, or third row home standing in that area (where the eye wall came ashore). The storm surge was estimated at 18 feet and its power was absolutely unstoppable.

When Rita hit Beamont (that was prior to Ike hitting Houston), the weather service originally had it hitting Houston. It had been nearly 25 years since Houston took a direct hit and Rita was a monster with 140+ winds. Everyone in Houston who hadnt been here in a hurricane evacuated. The roads were hopelessly snarled in a few hours---even cell phone service near freeways was impossible. Texting was the only way to communicate. Had the hurricane hit, thousands would have been stuck riding the storm out in cars. I-45 was parking lot for 24 hours. Anyone that tried to evacuate then probably will never do it again. I'd been through Alicia in the early 80's---so I knew it wouldnt be all that bad.

In Houston, this one will be largely a rain event---though the wind could be worse than some think because we are on the strong side. Depends on how big it gets an how if moves. If jags north or east---we will get a solid wind blow.

At least tonight, the forecast track has the storm moving in further south at Corpus. Sucks for them, but if it goes in further south, the rain totals in Houston could be lower. Of course, tomorrow the situation might be changed.

(08-24-2017 09:15 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Allison was 2001. Parts of Houston got 30-plus inches in about 2-2 1/2 days. The medical center probably didn't get quite that much but it was maybe 25 inches? We've had 2 pretty bad flooding events each of the last 2 springs but both were confined to smaller sections of town that are the normal flooding spots. The problem is that the infrastructure in town is pretty land-locked. They've tried expanding the bayous a bit but it's just cosmetic changes at best. Out in the suburbs, they have the room to create much more levees and water retention areas, so the suburbs can handle the rain much better than the urban sprawl. I think way back in 1979, the city of Alvin set an all-time U.S. record of 40 inches of rain in 1 day (?) and while it turned that city into a lake, that city is so rural that it could handle the rain. 40 inches in Houston would cause a LOT of deaths and record monetary damage.

What they did after Allison is they diverted some of the drainage away from the Medical Center. Unfortunately, the diverted water channels aren't able to handle large rain events. That's why Meyerland is flooding like crazy nowadays.

(08-24-2017 09:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 04:12 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 03:27 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Looks like the kind of storm you run from, not the kind you stock up for and ride out.

No not at all. The hurricane wind forces will be confined to mostly Corpus Christi and nearabouts. The rain totals will be extraordinary (now they're saying 30-40 inches possibly in Houston from Saturday-Thursday). The last thing you want to be doing is driving in those conditions.

I'm not seeing anyone leaving town like we saw for Ike in 2005. I do see a shortage of water and groceries, and probably gas will be tough to find by Sunday. If everything is flooded, even if we have power, the stores will be empty. But we may not have widespread power outages.

BTW, this will affect Louisiana big-time too, and the entire country will probably see gas prices higher by 30-50 cents a gallon at the minimum within a week or two??

To be fair---this a storm to get out the way of if you live on the coast. In Houston, your better off riding out virtually any hurricane because we are far enough from the coast that the wind will wind down by the time they get here and storm surge wont be a factor. The real damage comes from storm surge. My mother-in-laws beach house was on Crystal Beach during Ike. The only thing left was part of the concrete foundation and 2 pilings. In fact, there was not a single front row, second row, or third row home standing in that area (where the eye wall came ashore). The storm surge was estimated at 18 feet and its power was absolutely unstoppable.

When Rita hit Beamont (that was prior to Ike hitting Houston), the weather service originally had it hitting Houston. It had been nearly 25 years since Houston took a direct hit and Rita was a monster with 140+ winds. Everyone in Houston who hadnt been here in a hurricane evacuated. The roads were hopelessly snarled in a few hours---even cell phone service near freeways was impossible. Texting was the only way to communicate. Had the hurricane hit, thousands would have been stuck riding the storm out in cars. I-45 was parking lot for 24 hours. Anyone that tried to evacuate then probably will never do it again. I'd been through Alicia in the early 80's---so I knew it wouldnt be all that bad.

In Houston, this one will be largely a rain event---though the wind could be worse than some think because we are on the strong side. Depends on how big it gets an how if moves. If jags north or east---we will get a solid wind blow.

No, everybody got out early enough for Rita. The roads were clear by the time there would have been landfall. Traffic got less and less the later you left. I was going to stay as I had been through Allison and Alicia, but my wife was worried about the aftermath and possibly having no water or power for an extended period, as well as tornados during the hurricane.

(08-24-2017 09:15 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Allison was 2001. Parts of Houston got 30-plus inches in about 2-2 1/2 days. The medical center probably didn't get quite that much but it was maybe 25 inches? We've had 2 pretty bad flooding events each of the last 2 springs but both were confined to smaller sections of town that are the normal flooding spots. The problem is that the infrastructure in town is pretty land-locked. They've tried expanding the bayous a bit but it's just cosmetic changes at best. Out in the suburbs, they have the room to create much more levees and water retention areas, so the suburbs can handle the rain much better than the urban sprawl. I think way back in 1979, the city of Alvin set an all-time U.S. record of 40 inches of rain in 1 day (?) and while it turned that city into a lake, that city is so rural that it could handle the rain. 40 inches in Houston would cause a LOT of deaths and record monetary damage.

I was thinking it was Friendswood probably in 79 and not quite so much rain, but it was a phenomenal amount and all in 24 hours. (for those not familiar with the area, Friendswood and Alvin are only a few miles apart-and these days their boundaries meet-so same general area).

(08-24-2017 10:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 09:15 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Allison was 2001. Parts of Houston got 30-plus inches in about 2-2 1/2 days. The medical center probably didn't get quite that much but it was maybe 25 inches? We've had 2 pretty bad flooding events each of the last 2 springs but both were confined to smaller sections of town that are the normal flooding spots. The problem is that the infrastructure in town is pretty land-locked. They've tried expanding the bayous a bit but it's just cosmetic changes at best. Out in the suburbs, they have the room to create much more levees and water retention areas, so the suburbs can handle the rain much better than the urban sprawl. I think way back in 1979, the city of Alvin set an all-time U.S. record of 40 inches of rain in 1 day (?) and while it turned that city into a lake, that city is so rural that it could handle the rain. 40 inches in Houston would cause a LOT of deaths and record monetary damage.

What they did after Allison is they diverted some of the drainage away from the Medical Center. Unfortunately, the diverted water channels aren't able to handle large rain events. That's why Meyerland is flooding like crazy nowadays.

There used to be a bayou running through the medical center. They buried it and put it in pipes in the 50s. So the area is prone to flooding. Meyerland has always flooded. They were driving fire department air boats down Braeswood during Alicia in 82.

Houston is northeast of the storm. That is usually the wet side. And what's left is supposed to stall and then head towards Houston. But I heard from weather people that the 30 inches will be spread out over 4-5 days, so it won't be nearly as bad as if it was all in a day or 2.

gotta hit the field.....

just wanted to say, "good luck to all those in the affected path" once again....

this one may be as bad as Katrina in flooding terms....it's tough business when it hits YOUR back pocket....

would easily look for gas prices to rise in the short term.....

(08-25-2017 08:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 10:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 09:15 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Allison was 2001. Parts of Houston got 30-plus inches in about 2-2 1/2 days. The medical center probably didn't get quite that much but it was maybe 25 inches? We've had 2 pretty bad flooding events each of the last 2 springs but both were confined to smaller sections of town that are the normal flooding spots. The problem is that the infrastructure in town is pretty land-locked. They've tried expanding the bayous a bit but it's just cosmetic changes at best. Out in the suburbs, they have the room to create much more levees and water retention areas, so the suburbs can handle the rain much better than the urban sprawl. I think way back in 1979, the city of Alvin set an all-time U.S. record of 40 inches of rain in 1 day (?) and while it turned that city into a lake, that city is so rural that it could handle the rain. 40 inches in Houston would cause a LOT of deaths and record monetary damage.

What they did after Allison is they diverted some of the drainage away from the Medical Center. Unfortunately, the diverted water channels aren't able to handle large rain events. That's why Meyerland is flooding like crazy nowadays.

There used to be a bayou running through the medical center. They buried it and put it in pipes in the 50s. So the area is prone to flooding. Meyerland has always flooded. They were driving fire department air boats down Braeswood during Alicia in 82.

Houston is northeast of the storm. That is usually the wet side. And what's left is supposed to stall and then head towards Houston. But I heard from weather people that the 30 inches will be spread out over 4-5 days, so it won't be nearly as bad as if it was all in a day or 2.

I hope you are right. Im not familiar with the topography of the Houston area..but..you better hope it is not like here in NC. 30 inches of rain over a week would be a fcking disaster of biblical proportions. 15 in 3 days caused a disaster here.

(08-24-2017 07:52 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I did end up getting lighter fluid and a canister filled with gas. Also got some charcoal for my grill. All I need is a hand cranked radio and probably fill those jugs of water. Got around 120 bottles or so, and filled more bottles with water that I have at the house.


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Make sure the radio stations have their hand cranked broadcast towers ready to go.

(08-24-2017 03:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 03:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 02:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 12:37 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  there is going to be a lot of flooding, the left
-Blame man made global warming
-Racism
-Trump

http://www.thepiratescove.us/2017/08/24/...te-change/

So one or two random idiots and a couple guys making jokes are now "the left"?

Now what did I predict again?

Quote:-Create sweeping generalizations

You care to place a wager that at least one MSM outlet will run with Trump/Paris Accord/Climate change as a reason for this storm and it's devastation (if it verifies)?

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And the failing NY Times kicks things off right on cue...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/us/hu...ml?mcubz=1

Do you disavow?