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(09-10-2017 02:33 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Marvin should be fired just for punting down 20 with 10 minutes left in the Ravens' end of the field

Reminds me of the Shula 90's. Nothing like getting shut out at home on opening day.

It's good they didn't extend Marvin, but now we have to re-live the Tubs saga by suffering through a season with a coach who has one foot out the door. Hopefully when he leaves, they replace the entire staff and don't just promote some inept in house coach already on the staff.

I don't know why they went after Ross and Mixon high in the draft, after Whit signed with the Chargers?
Maybe Cedric will improve IDK

(09-10-2017 02:35 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 02:33 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Marvin should be fired just for punting down 20 with 10 minutes left in the Ravens' end of the field

Reminds me of the Shula 90's. Nothing like getting shut out at home on opening day.

Except that this team is stacked with talent. A competent coach and god forbid a decent gm could turn things around real quick.

(09-10-2017 02:56 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 02:35 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 02:33 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Marvin should be fired just for punting down 20 with 10 minutes left in the Ravens' end of the field

Reminds me of the Shula 90's. Nothing like getting shut out at home on opening day.

Except that this team is stacked with talent. A competent coach and god forbid a decent gm could turn things around real quick.

They do?

Maybe we overrate some of these guys. Michael Johnson had talent about 4 years ago. He starts. Line doesn't have one starter for another team.

Long way to go...especially playing like this.

(09-10-2017 02:59 PM)50Cent Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 02:56 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Except that this team is stacked with talent. A competent coach and god forbid a decent gm could turn things around real quick.

They do?

Maybe we overrate some of these guys. Michael Johnson had talent about 4 years ago. He starts. Line doesn't have one starter for another team.

No they don't. They have an elite WR, elite MLB with reliability issues and that's about it. Offensive line was bad last year and lost their only two good players. Defensive line is aging. Pacman is getting old and the first round corners they drafted are mostly disappointments or busts. Talent wise this team is in the bottom 10.

The only thing keeping this team out of last is Dalton is much better than whatever the Browns throw out at QB. If Kizer can play all bets are off.

(09-10-2017 03:19 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 02:59 PM)50Cent Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 02:56 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Except that this team is stacked with talent. A competent coach and god forbid a decent gm could turn things around real quick.

They do?

Maybe we overrate some of these guys. Michael Johnson had talent about 4 years ago. He starts. Line doesn't have one starter for another team.

No they don't. They have an elite WR, elite MLB with reliability issues and that's about it. Offensive line was bad last year and lost their only two good players. Defensive line is aging. Pacman is getting old and the first round corners they drafted are mostly disappointments or busts. Talent wise this team is in the bottom 10.

The only thing keeping this team out of last is Dalton is much better than whatever the Browns throw out at QB. If Kizer can play all bets are off.

Sorry I was only talking about offense. Green, eifert, and hill/Bernard/mixon. A whole lot of teams would love to have that kind of talent. Signing/drafting some OL help should not be that difficult. We know dalton is servicable if he has some protection.

(09-10-2017 03:19 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 02:59 PM)50Cent Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 02:56 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Except that this team is stacked with talent. A competent coach and god forbid a decent gm could turn things around real quick.

They do?

Maybe we overrate some of these guys. Michael Johnson had talent about 4 years ago. He starts. Line doesn't have one starter for another team.

No they don't. They have an elite WR, elite MLB with reliability issues and that's about it. Offensive line was bad last year and lost their only two good players. Defensive line is aging. Pacman is getting old and the first round corners they drafted are mostly disappointments or busts. Talent wise this team is in the bottom 10.

The only thing keeping this team out of last is Dalton is much better than whatever the Browns throw out at QB. If Kizer can play all bets are off.

Kizer was way better today against the Steelers. Had Cleveland not had a punt blocked for an easy TD, they'd have won today. Cleveland still can't block/pass protect very well, but Deshone Kizer is enough of an athlete to mitigate that.

(09-10-2017 03:34 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Green, eifert, and hill/Bernard/mixon. A whole lot of teams would love to have that kind of talent. Signing/drafting some OL help should not be that difficult. We know dalton is servicable if he has some protection.

I'm not even sure I agree with you here. Green without a doubt. Eifert? Not only reliability issues but he's more of a red zone specialist than a elite TE. Hill/Gio? We've seen what they are and it's nothing special. Mixon is a talented but unproven draft pick. I suspect the Bengals skill players are closer to average than elite even if they had a solid line.

The worst franchise in major league sports? Well, maybe the most poorly managed in terms of producing a quality (championship) product on some occasional basis. The NFL is perfectly designed to enable each franchise to get a fair shot. Small market teams share equally in the considerable network TV wealth and have the ability to build a winner; if their ownership has the "smarts" to do it.

Marvin will continue one more year to build upon his record of longest tenured NFL coach without a playoff victory. They may have fiddled long enough to allow the Cleveland Browns to figure out how to surpass them in the division.

I stopped watching more than a dozen years ago and have no emotional investment in the franchise anymore. Guess I haven't missed much in those ensuing years. I'm not saying I want Cincinnati to lose the NFL franchise. To the contrary, it has considerable value as an economic engine and for Cincinnati to remain a big league city. But I tuned in late in the fourth quarter-- long enough to see the score and the pitiful crowd shots of hard working people who have invested a lot financially and emotionally in a moribund franchise.

(09-10-2017 03:49 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 03:34 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Green, eifert, and hill/Bernard/mixon. A whole lot of teams would love to have that kind of talent. Signing/drafting some OL help should not be that difficult. We know dalton is servicable if he has some protection.

I'm not even sure I agree with you here. Green without a doubt. Eifert? Not only reliability issues but he's more of a red zone specialist than a elite TE. Hill/Gio? We've seen what they are and it's nothing special. Mixon is a talented but unproven draft pick. I suspect the Bengals skill players are closer to average than elite even if they had a solid line.

People are talking like the browns and ravens have better teams. Who do they have Isaiah Crowell and Corey Coleman? Danny wood head and Jeremy Maclin?

On the subject of the NFL, how bad are the Colts this year? The rams are up 21-3 at half!
Er EDIT: 27-3 actually.... That's actually kind of exceptional.

(09-10-2017 04:38 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 03:49 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 03:34 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Green, eifert, and hill/Bernard/mixon. A whole lot of teams would love to have that kind of talent. Signing/drafting some OL help should not be that difficult. We know dalton is servicable if he has some protection.

I'm not even sure I agree with you here. Green without a doubt. Eifert? Not only reliability issues but he's more of a red zone specialist than a elite TE. Hill/Gio? We've seen what they are and it's nothing special. Mixon is a talented but unproven draft pick. I suspect the Bengals skill players are closer to average than elite even if they had a solid line.

People are talking like the browns and ravens have better teams. Who do they have Isaiah Crowell and Corey Coleman? Danny wood head and Jeremy Maclin?

I just went through the depth charts. There aren't a whole lot of teams that I'd switch RBs WRs and TE with. Maybe I'm just being a homer.

I think you're overvaluing them slightly but it's really unimportant. What's really important is that having guys like Joe Thomas and Marshall Yanda is far more important than having the flashy toys. I'd definitely rather have a line led by a Marshall Yanda or Joe Thomas than all the high picks the Bengals have wasted on skill player's. I think picking skill players 1/2 this year with a bad line who had lost it's best players was incompetent.

Bengals lost by 20

Bearcats by 22

Just sayin'

(09-10-2017 05:23 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I think you're overvaluing them slightly but it's really unimportant. What's really important is that having guys like Joe Thomas and Marshall Yanda is far more important than having the flashy toys. I'd definitely rather have a line led by a Marshall Yanda or Joe Thomas than all the high picks the Bengals have wasted on skill player's. I think picking skill players 1/2 this year with a bad line who had lost it's best players was incompetent.

Ogbuehi and Fisher were drafted in the First and Second round

(09-10-2017 04:40 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  On the subject of the NFL, how bad are the Colts this year? The rams are up 21-3 at half!
Er EDIT: 27-3 actually.... That's actually kind of exceptional.

39-6

It's only week 1 but the Colts are a definite 0-16 candidate; maybe even with Andrew Luck. Of course they have decided he will not play until his shoulder is 100%; they may just basically redshirt him this year.

(09-10-2017 05:53 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 04:40 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  On the subject of the NFL, how bad are the Colts this year? The rams are up 21-3 at half!
Er EDIT: 27-3 actually.... That's actually kind of exceptional.

39-6

It's only week 1 but the Colts are a definite 0-16 candidate; maybe even with Andrew Luck. Of course they have decided he will not play until his shoulder is 100%; they may just basically redshirt him this year.

At least Bond got to start the game. BTW, anyone think Shazier will get suspended for 5 games after his hit on Kizer?

(09-10-2017 05:41 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  Bengals lost by 20

Bearcats by 22

Just sayin'

20 in the NFL at home to an average team and getting shut out is like 50 in college