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David Glenn seems to think NC State will be punished but UNC will get off... again.

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(02-24-2018 02:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Update From Yahoo! List of Schools Implicated in NCAA Basketball Scandal:

Duke
North Carolina
Texas
Kentucky
Michigan State
USC
Alabama
NC State
Seton Hall
LSU
Maryland
Washington
Texas
South Carolina
Louisville
Utah
Xavier
Wichita State
Clemson
Kansas
Creighton
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Iowa State

That's a new total of 7 ACC basketball teams - including 5 of the 8 pre-expansion teams.

Is this the end of ACC basketball dominance?

http://accbasketballrx.blogspot.com.es/2...ought.html

"Implicated" is a strong word to describe some of the schools on this list. "Mentioned", yes. But there is a huge difference between a school paying players large sums, directly or through agents or shoe companies, and one whose only link is that one of its players or a member of his family let somebody buy them dinner.

That's not to say those players did nothing more than that. There's a good chance some did - maybe even most. But the Yahoo article doesn't say they did. And the above list doesn't even mention Auburn, accused of far worse than the minor infraction Alabama is accused of.

I suspect in the end we will have much more evidence of what we all knew to be true about college basketball and football. The star players are getting paid somehow. And why shouldn't they?
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I see Miami is another school along with Auburn that didn’t make the list.
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(02-24-2018 09:11 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 02:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Update From Yahoo! List of Schools Implicated in NCAA Basketball Scandal:

Duke
North Carolina
Texas
Kentucky
Michigan State
USC
Alabama
NC State
Seton Hall
LSU
Maryland
Washington
Texas
South Carolina
Louisville
Utah
Xavier
Wichita State
Clemson
Kansas
Creighton
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Iowa State

That's a new total of 7 ACC basketball teams - including 5 of the 8 pre-expansion teams.

Is this the end of ACC basketball dominance?

http://accbasketballrx.blogspot.com.es/2...ought.html

"Implicated" is a strong word to describe some of the schools on this list. "Mentioned", yes. But there is a huge difference between a school paying players large sums, directly or through agents or shoe companies, and one whose only link is that one of its players or a member of his family let somebody buy them dinner.

That's not to say those players did nothing more than that. There's a good chance some did - maybe even most. But the Yahoo article doesn't say they did. And the above list doesn't even mention Auburn, accused of far worse than the minor infraction Alabama is accused of.

I suspect in the end we will have much more evidence of what we all knew to be true about college basketball and football. The star players are getting paid somehow. And why shouldn't they?


That is all true. I would even say that it is very likely that the school didn't even know about the recruits family member having dinner with an agent. That would likely leave the school clean from the NCAA but the recruit would likely have to pay for the meal & serve a possible suspension. In the more extreme cases recruits maybe deemed ineligible & every win they participated in would be revoked, even if the school wasn't involved or knew.

This is just one file of off 1 agents computer. They reportedly have over 3000 hours of wiretapped conversations off of Dawkins phone & they have Millers entire computer, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Sean Miller at Arizona looks to be in deep trouble if the report of his wiretapped conversation is accurate.


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FBI investigation into Basketball corruption.
(02-24-2018 09:11 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 02:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Update From Yahoo! List of Schools Implicated in NCAA Basketball Scandal:

Duke
North Carolina
Texas
Kentucky
Michigan State
USC
Alabama
NC State
Seton Hall
LSU
Maryland
Washington
Texas
South Carolina
Louisville
Utah
Xavier
Wichita State
Clemson
Kansas
Creighton
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Iowa State

That's a new total of 7 ACC basketball teams - including 5 of the 8 pre-expansion teams.

Is this the end of ACC basketball dominance?

http://accbasketballrx.blogspot.com.es/2...ought.html

"Implicated" is a strong word to describe some of the schools on this list. "Mentioned", yes. But there is a huge difference between a school paying players large sums, directly or through agents or shoe companies, and one whose only link is that one of its players or a member of his family let somebody buy them dinner.

That's not to say those players did nothing more than that. There's a good chance some did - maybe even most. But the Yahoo article doesn't say they did. And the above list doesn't even mention Auburn, accused of far worse than the minor infraction Alabama is accused of.

I suspect in the end we will have much more evidence of what we all knew to be true about college basketball and football. The star players are getting paid somehow. And why shouldn't they?


That is all true. I would even say that it is very likely that the school didn't even know about the recruits family member having dinner with an agent. That would likely leave the school clean from the NCAA but the recruit would likely have to pay for the meal & serve a possible suspension. In the more extreme cases recruits maybe deemed ineligible & every win they participated in would be revoked, even if the school wasn't involved or knew.

This is just one file of off 1 agents computer. They reportedly have over 3000 hours of wiretapped conversations off of Dawkins phone & they have Millers entire computer, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Sean Miller at Arizona looks to be in deep trouble if the report of his wiretapped conversation is accurate.


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If family members are having lunch with agents and / or their runners they are in negotiations. The idea that there isn't anything there but an innocent lunch is absurd. They probably just got outbid.
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...you know what? I'm actually OK with kids getting paid for providing a service that nets the school millions (even the small schools).

I would rather the NCAA do something if criminal behavior is involved. Those are the REAL problems. The kid from Zona is assisting the marketing wing of that school.
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(02-24-2018 09:11 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 02:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Update From Yahoo! List of Schools Implicated in NCAA Basketball Scandal:

Duke
North Carolina
Texas
Kentucky
Michigan State
USC
Alabama
NC State
Seton Hall
LSU
Maryland
Washington
Texas
South Carolina
Louisville
Utah
Xavier
Wichita State
Clemson
Kansas
Creighton
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Iowa State

That's a new total of 7 ACC basketball teams - including 5 of the 8 pre-expansion teams.

Is this the end of ACC basketball dominance?

http://accbasketballrx.blogspot.com.es/2...ought.html

"Implicated" is a strong word to describe some of the schools on this list. "Mentioned", yes. But there is a huge difference between a school paying players large sums, directly or through agents or shoe companies, and one whose only link is that one of its players or a member of his family let somebody buy them dinner.

That's not to say those players did nothing more than that. There's a good chance some did - maybe even most. But the Yahoo article doesn't say they did. And the above list doesn't even mention Auburn, accused of far worse than the minor infraction Alabama is accused of.

I suspect in the end we will have much more evidence of what we all knew to be true about college basketball and football. The star players are getting paid somehow. And why shouldn't they?

Well Ken D that's because Auburn was fortunate to learn of allegations prior to the start of the season. The assistant coach in question (Chuck Person) was fired, and the two players in question were declared ineligible and have not played at all this year, nor have they dressed out. So as far as our season goes only eligible players have participated. And while I'm sure we have others under suspicion, none of the other players or coaches are currently on the list.

I don't know what Miami has done with regard to the players and coaches in question but they were notified at the same time we were.
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(02-24-2018 07:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  David Glenn seems to think NC State will be punished but UNC will get off... again.

https://accsports.com/acc-news/david-gle...nis-smith/


Carolina will "get off again" because the Heels didn't do anything AGAIN.

https://scout.com/college/north-carolina...-115460859
Tony Bradley Sr. told Inside Carolina that his son never met with Dawkins or anyone at the agency. Bradley Sr. confirmed having lunch with members of the agency after his son officially declared for the NBA Draft last April. The meeting was scheduled during the family’s efforts to hire an agent.

“They didn’t take us to a fancy restaurant,” Bradley Sr. said. “We went to the office and ordered pizzas. We ate pizzas while they introduced everyone that worked for [Miller]. It wasn’t dinner or anything like that.”
Bradley Sr. said neither his son nor his family met with any agents before entering the NBA Draft. Bradley’s agent is John Spencer of 540 Sports and Entertainment.
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I'm open to the possibility that UNC didn't do anything wrong THIS time...
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(02-27-2018 10:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm open to the possibility that UNC didn't do anything wrong THIS time...

But does that make up for decades of no professor/papers/exams/attendance classes that did not exist for decades? And walking away with no penalties? From the organization tasked with ensuring STUDENT athletes earn their education.

Let's be honest,UNC wasn't even looked at. If the NCAA can ignore fake classes at UNC ,I am quite confident they will never see a UNC player's family get a free meal.

Oy vey!
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http://www.wdrb.com/story/37605382/pat-f...rts-report

Pat Fordes exclusive interview with WDRB 41 a few days ago.
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(03-01-2018 01:42 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  http://www.wdrb.com/story/37605382/pat-f...rts-report

Pat Fordes exclusive interview with WDRB 41 a few days ago.

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There are Universities that walk over their little brothers. It's OUR problem that we don't reckonize that. I've been told time and time again that the NCAA ARE the members. Shame on us for rising up.

The current leadership, the "flagship" of the State, and even the NCAA itself is ordering us to, STAND DOWN.

My advice is to let them go in peace!

But please also recognize that some conspiracies are real. The city of Louisville WILL have a NBA team playing in the YUM.
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Is every UK fan that shows up to a Louisville game that their team isn't playing in obese?
Must be a prerequisite. At least this fellow has managed to attract a female (must have an extra Big Mac or a dozen donuts stashed inside the hoodie) unless of coarse it's his sister. With it being Kentucky, that's OK too...
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(03-02-2018 01:05 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 01:42 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  http://www.wdrb.com/story/37605382/pat-f...rts-report

Pat Fordes exclusive interview with WDRB 41 a few days ago.

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There are Universities that walk over their little brothers. It's OUR problem that we don't reckonize that. I've been told time and time again that the NCAA ARE the members. Shame on us for rising up.

The current leadership, the "flagship" of the State, and even the NCAA itself is ordering us to, STAND DOWN.

My advice is to let them go in peace!

But please also recognize that some conspiracies are real. The city of Louisville WILL have a NBA team playing in the YUM.

Lol what? Now I enjoy watching NBA games, but I don’t think Loiusville can support a NBA franchise. What that team starts playing like the Nets all the fans will ignore the NBA and watch their college teams. The Charlotte Hornets stadium is empty just about every game because people would rather watch UNC or NC State play.
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(03-07-2018 11:13 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Lol what? Now I enjoy watching NBA games, but I don’t think Loiusville can support a NBA franchise. What that team starts playing like the Nets all the fans will ignore the NBA and watch their college teams. The Charlotte Hornets stadium is empty just about every game because people would rather watch UNC or NC State play.

I have to disagree with you analysis here. I was living in Charlotte and actually had season tickets to the Hornets games when they first started. It was a big deal then, and the now-demolished Charlotte Colliseum on Tyvola Road, which was actually bigger than the current arena, was almost always sold out and packed to the rafters.

However, in time 3 things came together to kill the buzz (pun intended):
1) the owner, George Shinn, did just about everything he could do to poison the well
2) the team decided to give a then record contract to Larry Johnson after a nice playoff run... but Larry was injured, and besides, the REAL talent on that team was Alonzo Mourning. When Mourning's contract came up for renewal, they said they couldn't give him as much as Larry. He left, and the team's playoff hopes went with him. After that, the "honeymoon" was officially over.
3) the NFL came to town, meaning not only was the NBA no longer the only pro game in Charlotte, it was clearly behind the NFL, too.

If at least 2 of those things happen in Louisville then, yes, it will kill fan support. All 3 and the owner will have no choice but move the team.
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There will never be an NBA team in Louisville. Ask J Bruce Miller. He's be trying to bring the NBA to Louisville since the Colonels left. Thanks to what John Y and Elle did, professional basketball in Louisville will never be successful. Louisville fans will raise enough hell that the NBA will say its not worth the trouble. You see professional franchises like to be seen as saviors of cities. When in reality they are nothing more than vampires sucking dollars out of the local economy and providing nothing in return. The NBA won't like the negative publicity that any serious effort to bring the NBA to Louisville would face. They will walk away because they are not wanted,
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(02-28-2018 09:38 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 10:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm open to the possibility that UNC didn't do anything wrong THIS time...

But does that make up for decades of no professor/papers/exams/attendance classes that did not exist for decades? And walking away with no penalties? From the organization tasked with ensuring STUDENT athletes earn their education.

Let's be honest,UNC wasn't even looked at. If the NCAA can ignore fake classes at UNC ,I am quite confident they will never see a UNC player's family get a free meal.

Oy vey!

There were no "fake" classes.
All of the classes were listed in the course catalog and open to all students
All of the classes had a professor (the Dean of the department) and a syllabus
All of the classes required a term paper
The "issue" was that the papers were graded by the Dean's secretary and not by a TA or by the Dean himself.
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(03-16-2018 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 09:38 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 10:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm open to the possibility that UNC didn't do anything wrong THIS time...

But does that make up for decades of no professor/papers/exams/attendance classes that did not exist for decades? And walking away with no penalties? From the organization tasked with ensuring STUDENT athletes earn their education.

Let's be honest,UNC wasn't even looked at. If the NCAA can ignore fake classes at UNC ,I am quite confident they will never see a UNC player's family get a free meal.

Oy vey!

There were no "fake" classes.
All of the classes were listed in the course catalog and open to all students
All of the classes had a professor (the Dean of the department) and a syllabus
All of the classes required a term paper
The "issue" was that the papers were graded by the Dean's secretary and not by a TA or by the Dean himself.

Word parsing? The classes never met, had zero academic rigor, and demanded no actual learning. It was pure academic fraud regardless of how athletics was involved or how a feckless NCAA determined not to address it. SACS put you on a more than well-deserved probation for a year. You should be thoroughly embarrassed by what happened at your university because it devalued all degrees due to UNC's unquestionable lack of quality control.
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(03-16-2018 08:16 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 09:38 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 10:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm open to the possibility that UNC didn't do anything wrong THIS time...

But does that make up for decades of no professor/papers/exams/attendance classes that did not exist for decades? And walking away with no penalties? From the organization tasked with ensuring STUDENT athletes earn their education.

Let's be honest,UNC wasn't even looked at. If the NCAA can ignore fake classes at UNC ,I am quite confident they will never see a UNC player's family get a free meal.

Oy vey!

There were no "fake" classes.
All of the classes were listed in the course catalog and open to all students
All of the classes had a professor (the Dean of the department) and a syllabus
All of the classes required a term paper
The "issue" was that the papers were graded by the Dean's secretary and not by a TA or by the Dean himself.

Word parsing? The classes never met, had zero academic rigor, and demanded no actual learning. It was pure academic fraud regardless of how athletics was involved or how a feckless NCAA determined not to address it. SACS put you on a more than well-deserved probation for a year. You should be thoroughly embarrassed by what happened at your university because it devalued all degrees due to UNC's unquestionable lack of quality control.

You're behind the times CP.
Most of what Mary Willingham postulated and Dan Kane (Raleigh News & Observer) "reported" has completely been debunked. Those classes did meet and term papers were required. Because the Dean's secretary graded the term papers and in the academic world she would be deemed to not be qualified, some of the AFAM classes could perhaps be assumed to be of less academic rigor.
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