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(10-16-2017 11:03 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:59 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:55 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
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(10-16-2017 10:32 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa's Junior Etou gets 2nd team consideration yet Tulsa is picked 8th in the conference. That seems really odd to me. I think we finish 5th overall. (We almost finished 5th last year)

I think 3-8 is crazy-hard to predict. Could really come down to in-conference schedule strength and who is injured when, with the teams that finish in the upper half of that pile dancing, and the teams in the lower half of that pile very sad. This poll has UConn a little higher than I would pick them. I think they are the big wildcard in that middle group. High ceiling/low floor depending on how quickly things come together for them.

Kevin Ollie has to show some coaching ability before I put that team that high. Tulsa's additions seem to have really been to our benefit. We're going to be pretty light in post depth after our best defensive bigman chose to return to Australia to turn Pro, but if we can keep our bigs out of foul trouble we should have the shooting depth this year to really take it to some teams offensively and in the defensive back court.

So you won't put UCONN that high based on Ollie's coaching ability, but you will place Tulsa that high based on Haith's coaching ability? 03-lmfao

There's no way I would place Haith high on the in-game coaching totem pole. But I would certainly place him above Ollie.

03-lmfao I think you'll find very few non-Tulsa fans that agree with you there.
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Ollie is the definition of an underachieving coach. Haven't his recruiting classes been top 5-10 recently and he's still done nothing with it?

Yea. Pretty much.
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(10-16-2017 11:15 AM)TulsaFan12 Wrote:  Ollie is the definition of an underachieving coach. Haven't his recruiting classes been top 5-10 recently and he's still done nothing with it?

Yea. Pretty much.

Uh no. Last year's class was the first Top 10 class since 2009. And 3 members of that 5 man class suffered season ending injuries by the 3rd game of the season (in addition to highly touted transfer Terry Larrier).

Facts are your friends.
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(10-16-2017 11:15 AM)TulsaFan12 Wrote:  Ollie is the definition of an underachieving coach. Haven't his recruiting classes been top 5-10 recently and he's still done nothing with it?

Yea. Pretty much.

I mean he did win a national championship with a 7 seed that even after winning it was only 15th in kenpom adjusted efficiency.
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(10-16-2017 12:01 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 11:15 AM)TulsaFan12 Wrote:  Ollie is the definition of an underachieving coach. Haven't his recruiting classes been top 5-10 recently and he's still done nothing with it?

Yea. Pretty much.

I mean he did win a national championship with a 7 seed that even after winning it was only 15th in kenpom adjusted efficiency.
Agreed. From an outsiders perspective, I think he is more of an enigma than a proven good or proven bad, coach.
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(10-16-2017 08:34 AM)Chappy Wrote:  How's that baseball team look, UCF... could be a huge athletics year for the Knights.

As the flagship school of The American, I’m here to announce we will have a great athletics year across the board in all major sports and most Olympic sports.

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(10-16-2017 12:09 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 12:01 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 11:15 AM)TulsaFan12 Wrote:  Ollie is the definition of an underachieving coach. Haven't his recruiting classes been top 5-10 recently and he's still done nothing with it?

Yea. Pretty much.

I mean he did win a national championship with a 7 seed that even after winning it was only 15th in kenpom adjusted efficiency.
Agreed. From an outsiders perspective, I think he is more of an enigma than a proven good or proven bad, coach.

I think it has more to do with the fact that he's done about the same as Tulsa since his championship with more recruiting talent than Tulsa has ever had. How many 4 or 5 star players have been on Ollie's teams and what has he done with all that talent? Since the Championship run with Calhoun's players, he's reached one NCAA tournament.
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(10-16-2017 12:29 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 12:09 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 12:01 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 11:15 AM)TulsaFan12 Wrote:  Ollie is the definition of an underachieving coach. Haven't his recruiting classes been top 5-10 recently and he's still done nothing with it?

Yea. Pretty much.

I mean he did win a national championship with a 7 seed that even after winning it was only 15th in kenpom adjusted efficiency.
Agreed. From an outsiders perspective, I think he is more of an enigma than a proven good or proven bad, coach.

I think it has more to do with the fact that he's done about the same as Tulsa since his championship with more recruiting talent than Tulsa has ever had. How many 4 or 5 star players have been on Ollie's teams and what has he done with all that talent? Since the Championship run with Calhoun's players, he's reached one NCAA tournament.

Let me take out the 2014 season.

NCAA Tournament Wins 2015-2017:

WSU: 4
Cincinnati: 2
UCONN: 1

Tulsa: 0
SMU: 0
Temple: 0
Memphis: 0
Houston: 0
Tulane: 0
ECU: 0
UCF: 0
USF: 0

NCAA Tournament Credits 2015-2017:

WSU: 7
Cincinnati: 5
UCONN: 2
SMU: 2
Temple: 1
Tulsa: 1

Memphis: 0
Houston: 0
Tulane: 0
ECU: 0
UCF: 0
USF: 0

Yet Ollie's the one underachieving in this league... 01-wingedeagle
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(10-16-2017 12:41 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 12:29 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 12:09 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 12:01 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 11:15 AM)TulsaFan12 Wrote:  Ollie is the definition of an underachieving coach. Haven't his recruiting classes been top 5-10 recently and he's still done nothing with it?

Yea. Pretty much.

I mean he did win a national championship with a 7 seed that even after winning it was only 15th in kenpom adjusted efficiency.
Agreed. From an outsiders perspective, I think he is more of an enigma than a proven good or proven bad, coach.

I think it has more to do with the fact that he's done about the same as Tulsa since his championship with more recruiting talent than Tulsa has ever had. How many 4 or 5 star players have been on Ollie's teams and what has he done with all that talent? Since the Championship run with Calhoun's players, he's reached one NCAA tournament.

Let me take out the 2014 season.

NCAA Tournament Wins 2015-2017:

WSU: 4
Cincinnati: 2
UCONN: 1

Tulsa: 0
SMU: 0
Temple: 0
Memphis: 0
Houston: 0
Tulane: 0
ECU: 0
UCF: 0
USF: 0

Yet Ollie's the one underachieving in this league... 01-wingedeagle

Tulsa has certainly been in contention in the league at just about the same rate as UConn, and Tulsa has done it with 2 and 3 star players vs. UConn's 4 and 5 stars.
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It is sobering realizing the extent of Tiger irrelevancy.
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(10-16-2017 10:56 AM)Shockit Wrote:  Pre-season polls mean nothing. We will see who is standing at the end of the year.

I don't mean to break up a pissing contest, but I should have added that I think the Shockers will be left standing (in first place) at the end of the year.

However, I don't take us being picked 2nd as a slight even though all the other predictors say the Shockers will be the top team pre-season. Rather, being picked second comes with the territory when moving into a new league. Cincy has proven they are a very good team too, and there will be very good competition from a number of teams. As I have said before, this league is going to be fun.
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I will be very happy as soon as Gary Clark is out of eligibility. He is a beast. I can’t wait for Cincy to visit Moody. I’m looking forward to that game along with the USC game the most.
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Good Morning!

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This special promotion only runs through Saturday October 21st so you’ll need to act fast!

I have attached a seating map with the normal pricing for each section, but remember that during this promotion you will only pay HALF of that price!!

Please email or call me at the number on the bottom of this message so that we can get you set for this season!!

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(10-16-2017 12:54 PM)Shockit Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:56 AM)Shockit Wrote:  Pre-season polls mean nothing. We will see who is standing at the end of the year.

I don't mean to break up a pissing contest, but I should have added that I think the Shockers will be left standing (in first place) at the end of the year.

However, I don't take us being picked 2nd as a slight even though all the other predictors say the Shockers will be the top team pre-season. Rather, being picked second comes with the territory when moving into a new league. Cincy has proven they are a very good team too, and there will be very good competition from a number of teams. As I have said before, this league is going to be fun.

I think injury concerns (right or wrong) is the reason for being picked behind Cincy.
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(10-16-2017 10:09 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Of course we were slighted. Nearly every preseason publication has Wichita State as a top 10 team and Cincy as merely top 25. If the ChicKUns were in this league (we are ranked ahead of them in some preseason polls), people would be like WTF? Well... there is no diference between WSU and KU this year except for branding - end of story.

Like I said, thanks for the motivation. Marshall will make this conference pay. I predict he will be liked about as much in the AAC as he was in the MVC, Big South, etc... If it's not salary envy, it will be W/L envy or national popularity envy. If it's neither of those it will be because Gregg Marshall sometimes just comes off like a dick.

I wouldn't have it any other way.


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Well since there's really no difference between Kansas and WSU maybe I should share what happened to the Jay Hawks last time they visit an AMERICAN arena



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The polls and All-Conference teams are perfectly reasonable, at least when it comes to Wichita State. That doesn't mean it won't be used by Gregg Marshall all season long and Markis McDuffie especially will hear about how he wasn't picked all-conference in many practices throughout the season.

As mentioned, the MVC accolades were such a joke that it was probably to the point where it was getting hard to get the players to take them seriously. I guarantee the players are taking these AAC results seriously.
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(10-16-2017 10:50 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:44 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:39 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:22 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:09 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Of course we were slighted. Nearly every preseason publication has Wichita State as a top 10 team and Cincy as merely top 25. If the ChicKUns were in this league (we are ranked ahead of them in some preseason polls), people would be like WTF? Well... there is no diference between WSU and KU this year except for branding - end of story.

Like I said, thanks for the motivation. Marshall will make this conference pay. I predict he will be liked about as much in the AAC as he was in the MVC, Big South, etc... If it's not salary envy, it will be W/L envy or national popularity envy. If it's neither of those it will be because Gregg Marshall sometimes just comes off like a dick.

I wouldn't have it any other way.


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For the record, Cincinnati has a few top 10s as well and mainly in the mid teens. UC is always disrespected in the preseason polls and rarely seem to get ranked and then wind up in the top 20 when the season ends.

WSU is a very good team, but I do think you will feel the pinch of the new conference. There are a lot of teams that are in the middle or bottom half that will have the talent or scheme to beat anyone, so you can't have a day off and UC and WSU will get everyone's best shot. Good luck and I do think it will be a heck of a battle for the title (And don't sleep on UCF).

Nothing against Cincy. Wichita State was ranked #1 in the country by ESPN.

I'm wondering now if Marshall paid to have a few votes thrown Cincy's way. He's notorious for trying to control optimism in the locker room. Being picked #2 in THIS league smacks of manipulation - manipulation that is totally in our favor BTW. It just looks silly to the national media. Right now they're like:

ESPN
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CBS
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Just wait until you meet Gary Clark.

Mick Cronin will be breast feeding Greg Marshall by the end of the season.

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No reason to show us what you taught your teddy bear to do ......04-cheers
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(10-16-2017 01:12 PM)cxncxr Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:09 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Of course we were slighted. Nearly every preseason publication has Wichita State as a top 10 team and Cincy as merely top 25. If the ChicKUns were in this league (we are ranked ahead of them in some preseason polls), people would be like WTF? Well... there is no diference between WSU and KU this year except for branding - end of story.

Like I said, thanks for the motivation. Marshall will make this conference pay. I predict he will be liked about as much in the AAC as he was in the MVC, Big South, etc... If it's not salary envy, it will be W/L envy or national popularity envy. If it's neither of those it will be because Gregg Marshall sometimes just comes off like a dick.

I wouldn't have it any other way.


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Well since there's really no difference between Kansas and WSU maybe I should share what happened to the Jay Hawks last time they visit an AMERICAN arena




And I'm quite thankful for that "upset". I used it for everything it was worth against K|Uck City.

The reality is, Wichita State and Gregg Marshall are a proven commodity at this point - you know what you're gonna get every year. And what you're gonna get is a mountain of wins. We win the games we are expected to and the ones we lose are always by a gnat's ass. We WILL be competing for the conference championship, that is a given. Cincy is the #1 challenger, but make no mistake, they are the challenger. According to 100% of the national pundits, the AAC conference trophy is ours to take until proven otherwise. In fact, they're working on the engraving right now.

I'd also like to take this moment to apologize to SMU for how they've been so rudely removed from the conversation. Sorry SMU, you've made some hay while the sun shined; i.e. before the NCAA knocked on your door, but the Shockers are here now and the conference isn't the same sandbox you remember as a kid. I suspect you should be mentioned in the same sentence as Cincy since after all, you are the defending champions the last two years, but your coach sucks.

Speaking of sucky coaches... I can assure you Jank and Co. didn't cast their vote for the Shockers. I know this because Jank is Marshall's b!tch. Illinois State coaches are renown for casting animosity votes... the little people that they are.






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(10-16-2017 10:52 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:32 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa's Junior Etou gets 2nd team consideration yet Tulsa is picked 8th in the conference. That seems really odd to me. I think we finish 5th overall. (We almost finished 5th last year)

Let’s be real though. UConn was down because of injuries, they out talent 4-8 by a good margin and if they start geling they can really compete. Houston has rob gray and a really good offense, temple has 4 Star talent all over and plenty more talent than tulsa on paper, but was young last year and UCF has bj Taylor, Tacko Fall, aj Davis and Aubrey Dawkins.

Tulsa finishing 5th would mean they over achieved by a large margin. They just don’t have the fire power in my opinion to climb the ranks in this league. I think they will be tough to beat at home just can’t picture them stealing many away game wins from the teams ranked above them

We had 8 new players last year I dont know how much younger you can be. Recruiting rankings are bs, thats why we play the games. I also expect 4-8 to be crazy, but 5th or 6th sounds about right for tulsa. I expect we will be a bubble team.
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(10-16-2017 10:56 AM)Shockit Wrote:  Pre-season polls mean nothing. We will see who is standing at the end of the year.

Nailed it.
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